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I guess I've never had problems but I've rode stand up jet skis for years. Also rode wrong foot forward since the 90s. Not a right or wrong. It's what works for you.
Going back to when I did all of my riding from winter 03-04 to winter 08-09, I always thought people riding WFF were just showing off. But this is also before the sled design changed. I was seeing people do it on old Edge RMKs and the like.
i had an 18 mtn cat with the air shocks set soft and buddies rode polaris with coil overs (probably to stiff for my weight) and always felt my sled was a bit easier to get on edge and keep on edge. i had the 600 ascender last year an found its like riding a dirtbike ( even though i dont ride hardly any dirtbike) your mostly neutral. there are times for wff but most things are accomplished in a neutral postion just changing your weight left to right or moving front to back. once your used to it, it takes so much less energy than hopping all over the sled. going from a cat i would never ever ever buy a mtn ski doo. it feels like riding a square box either tipped too far into the sidehill or pulling my back down hill no in between. the ascender feels like its happy where ever i want it to be.
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I ran an extra set of boogey wheels on my elevated ascender 165. It slightly reduced the track flex at the mid point of the rail which seamed to make the alpha more predictable.
I'm going to get a few rides in on the catalyst 154 first then might do the same.
Agreed. That must have been a T-motion XT found in the Expert. My 23 had it and I hated it, felt to planted. Went back to T-motion, much easier to ride.
With Doo you need to counter steer and use weight transfer on the boards to make the sled do what you want. With Pol you only use weight transfer, with counter steering you easily tip the sled over.
Because of this, you see Doo riders overriding when they try out Pol. Happens to me too. And vice versa, when Pol riders try out Doo they complain how heavy it is because they dont know how to use counter steering.
Personally I dont think there is wrong or right here, both have their own philosophy how to make sleds ride.
That's exactly what I experienced. When I rode the Doo, I COULD get a ski up but it required a LOT of counter steer, weight transfer, and throttle. So it required a lot of work. I suppose I could have worded my statement more accurately, but I still think "virtually impossible" works pretty well.
Now by contrast, the Catalyst is the complete opposite. So we have Polaris in the middle, and then Catalyst where you really just think about rolling and it does.
Now by contrast, the Catalyst is the complete opposite. So we have Polaris in the middle, and then Catalyst where you really just think about rolling and it does.
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volcano buster
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I'm going to throw out another observation about the Cat, so shoot holes in the theory if I missed something in class.
When these riders are doing a hop over to fully change directions on the hill, the Cat appears to want to continue to claw and stand the sled up on the tail instead of a controlled wheelie out of the hop over. I'm assuming the lack of a long tunnel acting as a wheelie bar and the aggressive traction of the track is allowing it to pull the front end up quite easily. In some scenarios I could see this being an advantage, but in deep fluffy stuff, the lack of floatation could be an issue and require additional input to get the ship righted and underway again.
When these riders are doing a hop over to fully change directions on the hill, the Cat appears to want to continue to claw and stand the sled up on the tail instead of a controlled wheelie out of the hop over. I'm assuming the lack of a long tunnel acting as a wheelie bar and the aggressive traction of the track is allowing it to pull the front end up quite easily. In some scenarios I could see this being an advantage, but in deep fluffy stuff, the lack of floatation could be an issue and require additional input to get the ship righted and underway again.
So not sure if that is true most of the Polaris sleds in his videos are Khaos Slash tunnels. Not only are they much shorter than the Polaris sleds of earlier they ar also tappered at the rear. Doo has been using short tunnels before Polaris.
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volcano buster
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I realize that, but it just seemed to me that the new Cat would simply stand up on the tail when doing a hop over and not flatten out as quickly. May just be me, but more footage may be required.
It certainly appeared that way in at least one video I saw.
In todays video the Frenchman was on a skidoo. Uh oh …lol
Likely he was waiting on parts to fix his brake. Hit a rock sidehilling and bent the hell out of the disk. Here is a pic he posted on a Facebook comment. The cover is pretty thin and weak.
My guards better get here soon. I ordered those, and the skid plate, when I snow checked. Still don’t have them.
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Physical damage is unacceptable. Catalyst must be junk. Only exploding clutches, exploding belts, and helicopter rides out will be accepted on this Polaris sponsored forum.
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The guards should be available, the skid plate is still on "backorder"Likely he was waiting on parts to fix this brake. Hit a rock sidehilling and bent the hell out of the disk. Here is a pic he posted on a Facebook comment. The cover is pretty thin and weak.
My guards better get here soon. I ordered those, and the skid plate, when I snow checked. Still don’t have them.
