That is laughable Dude. I did not suggest anything of the sort, You inserted that suggestion because it feeds into your narrative of "guns make you safe" I was merely proving evidence that that narrative is wrong by giving you an example of our soldiers that are heavily armed and heavily trained and are still not safe against this type of terrorism. Nice try to putting words in my mouth to further your partisan cause
Another Shooting & the Politics of it
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That is laughable Dude. I did not suggest anything of the sort, You inserted that suggestion because it feeds into your narrative of "guns make you safe" I was merely proving evidence that that narrative is wrong by giving you an example of our soldiers that are heavily armed and heavily trained and are still not safe against this type of terrorism. Nice try to putting words in my mouth to further your partisan cause
The best solution to me is start teaching our kids to be nice. I mean if someone anyone would have approached that kid years ago while getting bullied and became his friend, just someone to listen to his problems as he was dealing with them, maybe that would have helped prevent this. Instead everyone including his classmates are pointing fingers that no one helped them out of this situation that they themselves created. Seems pointless to point fingers at others when they HELPED create the problem. Just my .02
This is true.
But what do the survivors do...... just picket and rant/chant “NO MORE GUNS” easier to blame an inanimate object I guess.
AMEN!!!
Kinda nice to see after the weekend my post grew by 3 pages.
Lots of good points.
Thanks a lot for this comment.
I was generally on the bullied end of the spectrum, but there were a couple of times I recall saying something that can only be characterized as cruel. More than 20 years later, I still wish I could go back & take back what I said.
The other thing in this discussion - and why I brought it up in the first place - I actually changed my mind significantly on this whole issue 6 or 7 years ago in the wake of, I think, the Sandy Hook shooting. Listening to all the hype & knee jerk reactions of "take away the assault rifles." It got me thinking about the 2nd amendment in an entirely different way. If the GOVERNMENT is allowed outrageous weaponry, should not the CITIZENRY be able to have access to the same materials?
This is The perspective I used to take on the 2nd ammendment:
Time and time again I see and hear people bringing up the second amendment and not having a clue of why or how it came about or what it really means. Here's a clue. Read the first four F***ing words.
A Well Regulated.
To control or maintain.
Militia.
A military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency....
This is what I remember from my eighth grade history class.
The phrase "A well Regulated Militia" has been tossed around an awful lot to say it isn't the citizens' right, but the government.
The whole thing reads:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The next 9 words - "being necessary to the security of a free State"
Meaning, we need weapons if we want to maintain freedom.
Then next 10 words "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms." Sure sounds like the citizenry to me.
and the final 4 words: "shall not be infringed." That part seems pretty darn cut & dry. (that's the phrase that made me change my mind on gun control about 120 degrees.[no not a full 180].)
I realize I'm interpereting it according to the way I read it & I am also willing to agree that it can even seem a little self contradictory there too. I also think relying on what you learned in 8th grade history is a matter of being told what to think. That's what our school system is built on. What to think, and sometimes, when to think, but SELDOM HOW to think. When we think for ourselves we find our own principles & priorities.
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Dobber1
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...will plead guilty, IF, he's spared the death penalty?
Why should we let him decide? smh
That would be better than running around willy nilly trying to round up guns!
Dont worry, Im sure God will give them all the answers they need.
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jerrydecoy
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A lil’ more god might have kept things from Getting this far out of hand????
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Jaynelson
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For sure...like I say it's going really good with the current system - why change?
Sarcasm aside....if I lived in the U.S. my kid would be home schooled. Wouldn't feel comfortable otherwise.
Round up all these screwball shooters and send them up Nort’ to live
with JTK. That is punishment enough and should send a strong message
to any others planning a shooting rampage.
with JTK. That is punishment enough and should send a strong message
to any others planning a shooting rampage.
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jerrydecoy
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Better not let them go outside either cuz they have a better chance of getting struck by lightning then killed in a school shooting!
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Jaynelson
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You got the wrong guy if you think I'm worried about everything under the sun or over protective. But that one is nightmare-causing enough that I would do something about it. I would rather save my risks for more fun stuff, JMO
Are you and James Trudeau Kirk related? Or maybe neighbors? Roommates?
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jerrydecoy
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I’m not saying your over protective at all. That’s a parents choice to keep their kids home. I totally understand!!! I’m just saying that the chances of it happening to your child is extremely unlikely! Driving to go do the fun stuff is more dangerous then being in school!
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Jaynelson
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So memes and gun control arguments aside ...
Any thoughts as to WHY this is so much larger an issue in the U.S. than other places? Several people are sure that it's not due to the large number of guns, and the relative ease of getting them/lack of regs. So lets say that's 100% true for argument's sake .... why are school shootings so much more likely in the U.S. than anywhere else? U.S kids more violent? Seems kinda shaky. Less public health/mental health care support? Seems like a potential winner....but if you are against gun control in this thread, my math says you're also against public funded health care sooo...where does that leave you guys? What else?
Any thoughts as to WHY this is so much larger an issue in the U.S. than other places? Several people are sure that it's not due to the large number of guns, and the relative ease of getting them/lack of regs. So lets say that's 100% true for argument's sake .... why are school shootings so much more likely in the U.S. than anywhere else? U.S kids more violent? Seems kinda shaky. Less public health/mental health care support? Seems like a potential winner....but if you are against gun control in this thread, my math says you're also against public funded health care sooo...where does that leave you guys? What else?
Cut off their hands on the spot in front of everyone and leave them be.
The only way this helps obviously is if they wish not to die.
If they take their own life or wish to be shot, well then it has to start on how and who they got the weapon from. Whether it be from family or salesman. They have to be held accountable then.
Maybe thats a start??
The only way this helps obviously is if they wish not to die.
If they take their own life or wish to be shot, well then it has to start on how and who they got the weapon from. Whether it be from family or salesman. They have to be held accountable then.
Maybe thats a start??
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jerrydecoy
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I believe whole heartedly it’s a mental health issue! I haven’t a clue how to fix that but I do believe that banning weapons or an attempt at more gun laws doesn’t change that fact. Until someone smarter then me figures that one out... I fear the killings will continue and not just by firearms!!!
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Jaynelson
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Would you be receptive to significantly increasing public funding for mental health support?
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