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All these threads hatin on Obama....

swampwater said:
I rarely predict but in this case I will, if Obama wins the election he will not pull the troops out of Iraq as you think just as the clinton would not have. Hate to break your bubble. Swampy:confused::eek:
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I hope you are right. That is one of the big worries that I have, just packing up and leaving. We need to finish what we started, as painful as it might be.
 
go ahead and drink the koolaid like all of the other idiots regarding Obama ....first of all .........why the f$%^& do we need a Pres of the USA with that kind of handle ???

2ndly the guy is as fake as a 3 dollar bill

3rd ....this dude will be great in the beginnin but will screw everyone out of their rights and freedoms

4th there aint a galdarn thing we can do about it

hows that grab ya !!
 
POLZINHUNTER said:
working ,raising familys, you know the little stuff ! you probably know nothing about .ahh hell I give up I tired of this **** today!

P.S. I Think in November There will be a arseload of angry whitemen at the poles! and by then obama will have been exposed in the singular glare he know finds himself in.
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I was being sarcastic.:rolleyes: Working and raising a family is a cop out, the reason the liberals have so much clout is that they are a large population of this country, people that have families and work too. They know that increasing taxes will be more of a burdon, but they are willing to make that sacrifice. They have there beliefs and are doing something about it, instead of just being "angry". I find your whole viewpoint of the makeup of the liberal party disturbing and lacking facts and merits.

To each his own.
 
H2SNOW said:
go ahead and drink the koolaid like all of the other idiots regarding Obama ....first of all .........why the f$%^& do we need a Pres of the USA with that kind of handle ???

2ndly the guy is as fake as a 3 dollar bill

3rd ....this dude will be great in the beginnin but will screw everyone out of their rights and freedoms

4th there aint a galdarn thing we can do about it

hows that grab ya !!
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he lost my respect when that preacher thing came up.

he could have said " those are not my beliefs those were his personal oppinions " or somthing to the effect but he diddnt he weaseled his way around it. hes a ***** if he cant man up and say what needs to be said what will he do when **** needs to be DONE!
 
what part of .....flip a coin to keep face don't ya know about .....this dude will sit there and flip flop about every fricken agenda and fawk up he goes thru just to save face


absolutey not an honest bone in his body..............mr fricken PC himself
 
cmantle1 said:
DING DING DING!

I support Obama because i have seen what 8 years of Republicans have done, and i want it to change. Was it all bad? not at all. I just strongly disagree with many things McCain believes in, like the war for example. PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A WAR ARGUEMENT. But i have different feelings than him, and i like Obamas position.
Do i feel like Obama is perfect? **** no. And no im not some crazy democratic *******, im independant. I have plenty of very conservative friends and would never judge someone based on thier political views, like i have seen some people doing latley.

I think Obama could bring good change to the country, and im willing to gamble.


Last time a dem was in office we werent in a war and gas was a buck a gallon.....
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Wow. Most of you folks on this thread must have a lot of free time on your hands. Wish we could harness it for something productive. :confused:

I haven't read this whole thread, as I do not have the time, but even though I do not think Bush was nearly conservative enough for my liking, and he did do many bone head things, I would like to know what you consider the problems from "8 years of Republicans have done", other than your issue with the war?

Are you blaming Bush for the price of fuel? If so, let's hear some facts. Which bill did Bush sign or veto from the Democratic controlled Congress (the last couple of years) that caused our fuel prices to double in the last year or so? Maybe a few less liberal restrictions on energy recovery in this country, and more energy producing plants (such as Nuclear), might have helped us out too.

"and i like Obamas position". Really, what the heck is his position? I am aware that out of 100 US Senators in Congress, he rates number 100 for the most liberal. That is enough right there to scare me away. I do not care for McCain at all, but the least of two evils ...

Who proposes more wilderness areas and snowmobile closures? Liberals or Conservatives?

Yes, this is a free country, so vote for who ever floats you boat, but please spend some time to understand the positions that each candidate supports. And I also suggest making a list of 5 to 10 issues that are important to you, and then make sure that you vote for the candidate that supports the majority of those issues.

:D
 
Did anyone see Conan O'brien last night? They had on D.L. Hughley who is an african american comidian. He said "obama is having a hard time getting the rural democrat vote. The people that grow stuff dont like black people". Then said " At one point farmers loved black people". Please tell me that african americans are not just voting for him because of his nationality. Seems he is still bitter.
 
jsledder said:
So anyone with a negative thing to say about Obama has to prove what they say or hear is fact and can't just say it??? But yet, you don't have to prove that isn't.

Can McCain change things, doubt it. He's not throwing out a bunch of promises and plans that are simply vote getters though. Not so sure any 1 person sitting in that chair will be able to "change things". I don't like Obama, I don't think he's good for the US, those are my opinions. I told myself I was going to stay off these threads...... :(
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IF you are going to claim that Obama's brother is a "proven radical" then yes, you should back up that claim, it isn't much to ask for.
what is the point of spreading around fake information, that you get forwarded to you in an e-mail.

Why debate information that is not true? Basically... lets keep to the facts.
 
Good to Go said:
Who said we have to 'change' things.. sometimes (in government for sure), doing less is better???

Put in other words, I think what you're hearing is most people on this site don't want 'change' for the sole purpose of doing something different, especially when the 'change' that is being offered is going in the opposite direction of what they'd like to see.

Less government would be a good start. Let's slash social programs 30%-40% across the board. I could live with that. Let the chips fall where they will. Hell, someone might have to get a job...:eek: Less taxes, more money in the economy, more jobs and growth available. What a concept.
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Who says we have to change things? LOL compared to what? Wreckless spending in which we have over double our debt ceiling? Spending which has caused the Feds to cut interest rates how many times trying to prevent a recesion?

Unemployment is at a high right now. It is not because people are lazy.


A true Republican would be fine but what the Republican party offers is so far from their roots that even Liberal Obama is more "conservative" that what this party offers right now.

Don't sit here and talk about less government with the current administration or even the next sheep with McCain, because they do not bring that to the table.
 
redlineguy said:
Why do you and 99% of the LIB's think the only way to cut the debt is to Raise taxes?? Have you ever heard of CUTTING SPENDING??? Stop all the Pork and Get rid of the dead wood and run the GOV like a Business NOT a bottomless pit of Money!! What do you think of that Idea?? Or do you just like giving your Money to them to pizz away??
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Cutting spending is fine, are you reffering to the current administration? Are they going to cut spending? Is McCain going to cut spending? Nope, is McCain going to HAVE to raise taxes? Yup.

My money was given to them already. The current administrations debt is going to take 10+ years to pay off. But at least they lowered the taxes of the richest 5% in the country.

After increasing 24 percent in the past three years, the budget is in desperate need of cuts to get federal finances under control. But cuts are not a policy option that the current White House considers very much. At the time of this writing the new budget figures are not available, but it looks like the administration will request a 3 percent increase next year for non-defense, non-entitlement programs. In some years, 3 percent may seem like a reasonable increase. But we currently have a roughly $450 billion deficit. Shouldn't the administration be calling at least for a freeze in federal spending to get the giant deficit under control?

In addition, the White House seems content to call for cutting the deficit in half in five years. That is remarkably timid. In the 1990s, the Republican Congress battled against all deficits and forced President Clinton to embrace a plan to completely eliminate the deficit over a period of years. Non-entitlement spending actual fell in 1996, a truly rare event in federal budgeting.
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http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=2519

Since 2002, Congress has raised the borrowing limit by more than $1.4 trillion, as the government ran increasingly large deficits of $158 billion in 2002, $375 billion in 2003 and $413 billion for fiscal 2004, which ended in September. Yesterday the Treasury Department released its final 2004 deficit figure, which came in below initial forecasts but still at a record level in dollar terms.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32985-2004Oct14.html


What happened to the Republican Party?:
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/3795

Under the leadership of the current incarnation of Republicans, corporations and defense contractors, like Halliburton, have been granted unbridled privilege.? Some 8.8 billion dollars of tax-payer money has gone missing in Iraq.? The defense contracting company Halliburton was one of the main benefactors of this money having received an estimated one billion dollars.? Rather than taking up this issue, Republicans in Congress have largely ignored it over the protests of three key Democratic senators ? Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, Ron Wyden of Oregon, and Tom Harkin of Iowa.? The military-industrial complex clearly has far too much influence in politics in Washington.? President Eisenhower?s words and wisdom ring all too true today with the failure of the Republican Party leadership to recall his warning and his tenacity.
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So, I must ask ? what has happened to the Republican Party today?? The Republican Party appears to have abandoned its principles.? Gone are the days of moderation, small government, staying out of the business of nation building, and fiscal conservatism. The Republican Party has morphed into something that does not resemble the party of Presidents Lincoln and Eisenhower or Senators Vandenberg and Norris.?

Under Republican leadership in the legislative and executive branch, the national debt has sky-rocketed, and fiscal conservatism seems to be a thing of the past.? America finds itself in debt to China ? a nation that has a dire human rights record and continues to embrace communism.? It has been on Republican watch that the national treasury has been looted by involvement in an elective and immoral war.? The war in Iraq?s justification has changed from finding weapons of mass destruction to building democracy in the Middle East.? On that point, it is important that we look at the words of then Governor George W. Bush when debating Vice-President Al Gore on October 11, 2000:




?I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. . . . I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean, we're going to have a kind of nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not.?
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So much for Bush's words huh?

National Debt under party leadership:
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so much for our "conservatives" cutting spending
 
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