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Read my above quote. If you are using that theory, then McCain is the worst candidate in history on the economy. Median home value went from 268,000 to 205,000 from 2006 through June 2008 in Phoenix.

Chicago went from 273,000 to 258,000. Obama's policies must be working to keep Chicago's home values from dropping in the chitter.

http://www.realtor.org/research/research/metroprice

Puhlease. My comment is that Obama was no longer a Senator in 2002, what does 2003 and 2006 numbers have to do with him. And 1 person of a 59 person Senate cannot by himself reduce crime.

Thats quite the spin.

I never said Obama was a senator in 2002. I will say that we was a Senator for only 143 days, before he anounced his candidacy.

As for you comparison, over inflation of home prices nation wide was something congress started in the 90's. Congress, including McCain, was a part of that, that I will grant you. But it was Billy's baby.
 
You asked for rebuttal, so of course see blue comments.


And double check through McCain's record. If you thought Kerry was a flip flopper, then you got something coming. McCain has been on both sides of almost every issue. He has supported gun control, abortion rights, and other Republican strongholds throughout his career. I like Kerry's statement, who are you voting for, candidate McCain or Senator McCain?See, the difference is, that John has the integrity to stand up and say, you know what, I was wrong, I think this other way is better. I have zero problems with anyone changing there view. It show's character, and leadership.

At least Obama's voting record matches his campaign, almost directly. Like it or not, that is a fact.
I guess what they say is true then. Not having any record, is better than having to defend one.


The federal government as you mentioned cannot impose a tax on small government. That is false. Its only true if you are incorporated.
Where as you are taxed as individuals based on that companies profits.
Therefore, if my company makes over that 250k a year, which his figure is untrue, its actually 153,000 a year, than I WILL get taxed higher. Not only that, these loopholes he talks about closing, will be the undoing of small business growing. See, one of them loopholes he wants to close, is the tax break on equipment of all kinds. One is called a Section 179. Look it up.

Under Obama's plan, he will penalize business owners if they do not provide uniform health care. I call it a tax, you can call it what you will.

As for the military, I am not talking about the troops, I am talking military in general.

I like both plans for illegals, against most Republicans. I think Johns is better because he makes them pay for there indiscretions.
 
Thats quite the spin.

I never said Obama was a senator in 2002. I will say that we was a Senator for only 143 days, before he anounced his candidacy.

As for you comparison, over inflation of home prices nation wide was something congress started in the 90's. Congress, including McCain, was a part of that, that I will grant you. But it was Billy's baby.

Yeah, except my spin was using sarcasm. I don't believe Phoenix's home values is solely McCain's responsibility. Just like I don't think crime is Chicago is solely Obama's responsibility.

And the housing deal, was due to the retardedly (uh, I mean historically) low interest rates from 2002 and up. Greenspan lowered the federal funds rate way too quickly and too much. See, what happened was, Clinton's recession (during Bush's term in 2001) should have been worse and we should have let it ride out. But this cut interest and spend policy led to the huge increases in home values. Those were mostly 2003/2004/2005. Look that up.
 
I guess what they say is true then. Not having any record, is better than having to defend one. Of course, see comment below.


The federal government as you mentioned cannot impose a tax on small government. (I assume you mean business) That is false. Its only true if you are incorporated. (Yes, but the vast, and I do mean vast, majority of small businesses that profit over $250,000 per owner are partnerships or sole proprietors, not corporations. If you are a corporation, then you get a wage and a dividend (which is taxed lower than your base rate).
Where as you are taxed as individuals based on that companies profits.
Therefore, if my company makes over that 250k a year, which his figure is untrue, its actually 153,000 a year,(show me that support) than I WILL get taxed higher. Not only that, these loopholes he talks about closing, will be the undoing of small business growing. See, one of them loopholes he wants to close, is the tax break on equipment of all kinds. One is called a Section 179. Look it up. (how about you show me that support on Obama's website. yes I know what 179 is, it used to be around $20,000 a year and Bush made it over $100,000 a year (and one year, 50% of all capital assets could be written off instead of the 179 exclusion)).

Under Obama's plan, he will penalize business owners if they do not provide uniform health care. I call it a tax, you can call it what you will. (great, show me that support, here is what I have http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/ This is aimed at large businesses, not you.

As for the military, I am not talking about the troops, I am talking military in general.

I like both plans for illegals, against most Republicans. I think Johns is better because he makes them pay for there indiscretions.

Come on, I show support, I want to see yours.

I like your comment a couple posts ago about McCain having "integrity" for changing sides on a position. I am sure in 2004 you were saying Kerry had intergrity rather than calling him a flip-flopper. Shooot, you probably made waffles the morning Bush was reelected.
 
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From your avatar and signature, I am guessing I am the cause!! :D

I am happy to have helped you lose weight?!?

But please do tell me how Reagan created the economy of the 90s and the Democratic Congress caused the current financial crisis in the last 18 months so I can lose some weight, I really need to.

Thanks!!

Barney Fwank..... need I say more.....
 
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Come on, I show support, I want to see yours.

I like your comment a couple posts ago about McCain having "integrity" for changing sides on a position. I am sure in 2004 you were saying Kerry had intergrity rather than calling him a flip-flopper. Shooot, you probably made waffles the morning Bush was reelected.

I dont like waffles, but yes I was a happy camper.

I dont defend people who do one thing and say another. That was what Kerry was doing.
Through John's history, he has changed his views on points, not just during an election.
See the difference.
 
This is good fun!

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

And at NO point have I advocated anything about Canada. I only pointed out the difference between what they have and what Obama is proposing. Thanks for spending 15 minutes on that though.

2001400ex, Sorry for spinning your tiny little head into a blur! I apologize for carrying to many thoughts at one time for you to comprehend. My bad. I was trying to put some background behind the perspectives of your accusatory replies in one looooong post with as much babble as what you have spewed in a "bazillion" separate posts in this thread. You go ON and ON repeating yourself? Asking the same question like the rainman. Can you count the straw in a haystack too? Do you have anything else to do besides hawkeye the forum? I am sitting on top of about 50mmcf of natural gas and about 25 thousand horsepower right now, with about 250 parameters of operation that have to be just perfect, what are you doing that is of any skill or importance to the world? Share with us? You say I am an incoherent idiot, thats cool and I hope it made you feel like a big guy!
Why do you constantly repeat yourself like nobody is listening, when its you who isnt LISTENING (reading into other peoples responses). If you need, I can draw you a picture, I can even use a FAT pencil like the ones you have in your crayon box. Oh, but I better sharpen them first, Mr. Dem - Liberal so that I can even come close to your vastly superior debating skills.

You dont advocate anything about Canada, but you support people who have worked for their money - paying way more taxes so that the FEDs can give away health care?

Im happy I was able to waste a bunch of your time, as YOU are wasting everybody elses who reads this junk thread thinking that there would actually be something useful from you. Heck I am wasting more of it right now! Unlike you, I actually provided some fairly accurate data, and I was never trying to convince you or change your mind........other than the part where I think if you dont like it here you should head across the border.
 
2001400ex, Sorry for spinning your tiny little head into a blur! I apologize for carrying to many thoughts at one time for you to comprehend. My bad. I was trying to put some background behind the perspectives of your accusatory replies in one looooong post with as much babble as what you have spewed in a "bazillion" separate posts in this thread. You go ON and ON repeating yourself? Asking the same question like the rainman. Can you count the straw in a haystack too? Do you have anything else to do besides hawkeye the forum? I am sitting on top of about 50mmcf of natural gas and about 25 thousand horsepower right now, with about 250 parameters of operation that have to be just perfect, what are you doing that is of any skill or importance to the world? Share with us? You say I am an incoherent idiot, thats cool and I hope it made you feel like a big guy!
Why do you constantly repeat yourself like nobody is listening, when its you who isnt LISTENING (reading into other peoples responses). If you need, I can draw you a picture, I can even use a FAT pencil like the ones you have in your crayon box. Oh, but I better sharpen them first, Mr. Dem - Liberal so that I can even come close to your vastly superior debating skills.

You dont advocate anything about Canada, but you support people who have worked for their money - paying way more taxes so that the FEDs can give away health care?

Im happy I was able to waste a bunch of your time, as YOU are wasting everybody elses who reads this junk thread thinking that there would actually be something useful from you. Heck I am wasting more of it right now! Unlike you, I actually provided some fairly accurate data, and I was never trying to convince you or change your mind........other than the part where I think if you dont like it here you should head across the border.

Nice, sounds like I rattled your cage. That was a quote from the movie Billy Madison and was intended to be funny. :beer; Though it is about time I made someone lose their cool.

But actually, I am a CPA and while what I do it not important to the safety our our people, my responsibility is to the public and to do what is in their best interest. (No Enron jokes). As for why I have spent so much time on here. Well, the middle of October every year is a little slow, heading into my busy season (10/25 though 4/30). So, at work I don't have a ton of stuff to do until next week and I am kind of on vacation this week, and definitely starting tomorrow.

So, lucky for ya'll, you probably won't hear much from me over the weekend!
 
I dont defend people who do one thing and say another. That was what Kerry was doing.
Through John's history, he has changed his views on points, not just during an election.
See the difference.

:eek: Wow, you just made my day. How does it feel to have the ability to talk from both sides of your mouth? Look at McCain's positions one year ago to today. They have changed drastically.
 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,437324,00.html
In cased you missed it, that is where we purchased $250 billion in bank stock (from Fox News so you cannot say the "liberal media" lied. Here is the definition of communism:
  1. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
So, Obama is a communist/Marxist. But, the Bush administration is the first to have ownership in business since the Great Depression. Who are the communists? :face-icon-small-sad

And another thing, why is communism and social engineering okay in China, but not Russia and the rest of the world? We even can have the Olympics in China now. And Communism hasn't killed anyone, it is the Dictator at the top who has killed people. Communisn is purely a form of government and can be ran without killing people, see China.
 
:eek: Wow, you just made my day. How does it feel to have the ability to talk from both sides of your mouth? Look at McCain's positions one year ago to today. They have changed drastically.

Do you care to list specifics?

I can go on and on saying how I "Feel" about certain things. But unless you are going to back up your feelings with more than hearsay, you ought to keep it to yourself.

Specifics please......
 
Communism is the dead end on the road of socialism. It is a progression that starts clear on the other end with our Conservative right wing founding fathers and moves closer and closer to the end of the left which is Communism. Do you honestly think the govt will stop at Banks and Health Care? Do you think I support Bush as he pertains to the Stupid Bail outs?

Its the banks today but what happens when this crisis spreads and shuts down other industries? Who will step in and save the day? So when Lowes shuts down and the govt takes it over we will have Govt Hardware stores. When the Hospitals shut down, govt hospitals, wait I think thats happening with health care already. When there are no contractors to build, we will get govt contractors. Get the picture? The more it happens the more the economy collapses and the faster it spreads until you wake up one day and the govt just says, "ah, we might as well just take over all of it."

Now if you are still this stupid you may say, whats wrong with that? Ill tell you. It takes govt 5 dollars to do what the free market will do with 1 dollar. So the wealth of the country is sucked up by the giant vacuum which is the USG and the rest of the people are lower middle class at best. Oh there will be rich people, Bill Ayers, Barney Fwank and his fag lover, Nancy Palosi, Harry Reid, Reverend Flaguer, basically everyone with connections to the power. If you dont believe me look at other countries.

Joe the plumber who has desire to work his *** off to own a plumbing company will not be able to do it because the govt will hand the opportunities out to its friends and people it chooses (and just a glimpse into who those people will be in this new govt? friends IE: minorities IE: blacks IE: the end of white suppression. Why do you think Collin cancer Powell has flopped? He knows whats coming and he wants back on the movement before its too late. They were calling him uncle Tom to massa' Bush now they are praising his wisdom.

Communism is the end result of greed and corruption in govt, that is a fact and history has proved it. Spawned by a combined effort from two main groups, politicians lust for power and greed from those who are least accused of being greedy, the poor. Communism does not happen overnight and the defense of the movement is to mock those who expose it and its signs as extremists. "What? we just like to spread the wealth around, that's not communism" True conservatives see it coming and we are scared ****less. There are only 2 outcomes in Americas future, full tilt revolution or eventual full tilt communism.

The sad thing is that if we could stop the lies from the liberal leaders and give capitalism and responsible govt (Sarah Palin sell the jet and fire the chef type of govt) a chance we could all grow rich together. If the rich get richer and create more jobs then workforce can handle what do the rich have to do? Raise wages, everyone get richer. Last year the middle class shrank by 11%, where did they go? Upper middle class. I can guarantee you one thing. That will reverse under socialbama policies. If we had a govt that was fiscally responsible we would all be rich, but we would be much more free and it would take away their power and thats why they wont allow it to happen. The church I belong to, of which admittedly I am not a very good member, saves 10% of everything they take in and they are VERY well financially and they send insane amounts of money to poor all over the world. Imagine a govt that saved money? A govt with a bank account? It would be Unreal what they could eventually do.

The thing that is most disturbing about the liberal socialist movement in America. People are born to privilege in the United States, the greatest, free'est, most amazing country in the world. Even the poorest of the poor, and by that I mean anyone who actually pulls themselves out of bed and works at the lowest job he can find(which anyone can do) and accepts the assistance of the generous people of the USA, is a fricken millionaire compared to poor in most other countries. They, for whatever reason decide they are not happy with this country that has bleesed everyone in it so greatly and they want to change it.
Example : boy gets brand new turbo M1200 with Nitrous from his father for his birthday. Amazing Sled, fastest one around. Looks over the fence at his friend who has a 98 Skidoo Summit and he wants to for some insane reason take his turbo off, throw away the suspension and the motor and the chassis and basically turns his M1200t into the 98 Summit. If thats not the definition of Insanity I dont know what is?

One more thing. And let me get a little religious here. This country was founded as a Nation with adopted Christian values. "One nation under God." There are many of us who feel that God has reserved this land for a free people and with a basic core of values he will only tolerate so much oppression here. Christian core values transcend all good religion. Be nice, help others, be honest, be virtuous and work hard for what you get just to name a few. We, the USA, have been given the charge to protect the world from evil. We do a dang good job of it even though we cant do it all. If the corruption from the inside takes away the freedom of this sacred land God will show you his conservative side. He will humble the people and bring them back to the core values that made this nation great. Let me quote Joe Biden, "Mark my words...."


(freak takes slow deep breaths now.....):):beer;
 
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Do you care to list specifics?

I can go on and on saying how I "Feel" about certain things. But unless you are going to back up your feelings with more than hearsay, you ought to keep it to yourself.

Specifics please......

The "feel" comment was related to you.

Here is a quote from 2000 from McCain:
"I just have to rely on the good judgment of the voters not to buy into these negative attack ads. Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don't have much of a vision for the future or you're not ready to articulate it."

Not that you will look at it, but here is a website of flip flops with references to video and ligitimate new sources and other places the are legit. http://howinsaneisjohnmccain.blogspot.com/2008/03/mccain-never-met-position-he-didnt-like.html

If you really do go look at that and look up the sources, you will see that I am right.

But, that is not the point. The point is, not one person has come on here with a rational thought to vote for McCain.
 
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Communism is the dead end on the road of socialism. It is a progression that starts clear on the other end with our Conservative right wing founding fathers and moves closer and closer to the end of the left which is Communism. Do you honestly think the govt will stop at Banks and Health Care? Do you think I support Bush as he pertains to the Stupid Bail outs?

Its the banks today but what happens when this crisis spreads and shuts down other industries? Who will step in and save the day? So when Lowes shuts down and the govt takes it over we will have Govt Hardware stores. When the Hospitals shut down, govt hospitals, wait I think thats happening with health care already. When there are no contractors to build, we will get govt contractors. Get the picture? The more it happens the more the economy collapses and the faster it spreads until you wake up one day and the govt just says, "ah, we might as well just take over all of it."

Now if you are still this stupid you may say, whats wrong with that? Ill tell you. It takes govt 5 dollars to do what the free market will do with 1 dollar. So the wealth of the country is sucked up by the giant vacuum which is the USG and the rest of the people are lower middle class at best. Oh there will be rich people, Bill Ayers, Barney Fwank and his fag lover, Nancy Palosi, Harry Reid, Reverend Flaguer, basically everyone with connections to the power. If you dont believe me look at other countries.

Joe the plumber who has desire to work his *** off to own a plumbing company will not be able to do it because the govt will hand the opportunities out to its friends and people it chooses (and just a glimpse into who those people will be in this new govt? friends IE: minorities IE: blacks IE: the end of white suppression. Why do you think Collin cancer Powell has flopped? He knows whats coming and he wants back on the movement before its too late. They were calling him uncle Tom to massa' Bush now they are praising his wisdom.

Communism is the end result of greed and corruption in govt, that is a fact and history has proved it. Spawned by a combined effort from two main groups, politicians lust for power and greed from those who are least accused of being greedy, the poor. Communism does not happen overnight and the defense of the movement is to mock those who expose it and its signs as extremists. "What? we just like to spread the wealth around, that's not communism" True conservatives see it coming and we are scared ****less. There are only 2 outcomes in Americas future, full tilt revolution or eventual full tilt communism.

The sad thing is that if we could stop the lies from the liberal leaders and give capitalism and responsible govt (Sarah Palin sell the jet and fire the chef type of govt) a chance we could all grow rich together. If the rich get richer and create more jobs then workforce can handle what do the rich have to do? Raise wages, everyone get richer. Last year the middle class shrank by 11%, where did they go? Upper middle class. I can guarantee you one thing. That will reverse under socialbama policies. If we had a govt that was fiscally responsible we would all be rich, but we would be much more free and it would take away their power and thats why they wont allow it to happen. The church I belong to, of which admittedly I am not a very good member, saves 10% of everything they take in and they are VERY well financially and they send insane amounts of money to poor all over the world. Imagine a govt that saved money? A govt with a bank account? It would be Unreal what they could eventually do.

The thing that is most disturbing about the liberal socialist movement in America. People are born to privilege in the United States, the greatest, free'est, most amazing country in the world. Even the poorest of the poor, and by that I mean anyone who actually pulls themselves out of bed and works at the lowest job he can find(which anyone can do) and accepts the assistance of the generous people of the USA, is a fricken millionaire compared to poor in most other countries. They, for whatever reason decide they are not happy with this country that has bleesed everyone in it so greatly and they want to change it.
Example : boy gets brand new turbo M1200 with Nitrous from his father for his birthday. Amazing Sled, fastest one around. Looks over the fence at his friend who has a 98 Skidoo Summit and he wants to for some insane reason take his turbo off, throw away the suspension and the motor and the chassis and basically turns his M1200t into the 98 Summit. If thats not the definition of Insanity I dont know what is?

One more thing. And let me get a little religious here. This country was founded as a Nation with adopted Christian values. "One nation under God." There are many of us who feel that God has reserved this land for a free people and with a basic core of values he will only tolerate so much oppression here. Christian core values transcend all good religion. Be nice, help others, be honest, be virtuous and work hard for what you get just to name a few. We, the USA, have been given the charge to protect the world from evil. We do a dang good job of it even though we cant do it all. If the corruption from the inside takes away the freedom of this sacred land God will show you his conservative side. He will humble the people and bring them back to the core values that made this nation great. Let me quote Joe Biden, "Mark my words...."


(freak takes slow deep breaths now.....):):beer;

Good rant, but I should have saved the Billy Madison quote for this one.

The only thing I am going to attempt to argue is your contention that liberals will lead this country to be bankrupt. Where do you think we are now? After 8 years of conservative president with 6 years of complete control. Same thing happened in 1991/1992 after 10 years of conservative president, and your hero.
 
In 6 months.....


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Obama has outlawed all this stuff I have no use for it anymore. Make offer... any offer..... anyone? .....
 
so you keep saying..... another strategy of the left, no matter what continue to deny.

Look at your whole rant, it is purely bashing liberal thinking with Republican talking points.

I have lined out the major reasons I want Obama (and along the way pointed out flaws in republican thinking and even bashed some of Obama's plans). I just cannot find one person who likes McCain. This post proves McCain voters are voting a party or against Obama. :D
 
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