Snowmobilers For McCain/Palin...

[2001400ex]

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I was not going to post here any more but the same thing keeps coming up.
Wow, if you read this post as well as you read your internet sites you would see all the policies that people support for Mccain.
Just to name a few more ,
1-Abortion
2-Tax on large, small business
3-War policy
4-gun policy
5-health care plans
6-land policy
7-vice pres choice
8-experience
9-morals etc.
10- better looking wife/v.p
11- rides A.C.

And do not post your answers for each item , we know already!
I could go on but these are a enough to show that people do like his policies better.
Like I said before, who is lying and who is telling the truth. look at there backgrounds then pick the lesser evil.
And tring to blame Ragan etc. for the economy troubles? you can strech things bigger than most.
With the millions of people the US has, is this the best we can come up with?

See, you were going so good there, then go go and spout the "lesser of two evils." All I want to hear is someone genuenly saying, I support McCain because...(I make $400,000 a year and don't want Obama taking another cent) or something like that.

 

[2001400ex]

That is the tough part, nearly impossible I would say. Getting the blackmarket gun supply shut off would be nearly impossible.

Yeah, I have heard Obama talk about it at the debates, but neither candidate had a proposal for it. But realistically, to me, it would start at the border and our ports.

 

[WFO or go home]

I support McCain because his tax proposal is going to be beneficial to growing business thereby creating more jobs rather than driving them out of the country.

I could go on, no time.

 

[GangGreen]

I guess it doesn’t count unless we go with your (2001400ex) rules. Why is it so hard for you to understand that most people don’t like everything about there candidate, We go with the one that is closest to our own values and the way we want the country to go. I guess everything about Obama is what you want ? or is he the less of two evils? Its just the way you look at it. anyway this post is not doing what the title is for "snowmobilers for McCain /Palin" It sounds like you are tring to convince yourself of your choice because you’re not convincing anybody else

 

[2001400ex]

I dont get involved in this stuff too often, yet - I am from Michigan and we are all aware of the state of emergency that Michigans economy is in. Jennifer Ganholm is almost assured to be taken to Washington if Oblama wins. Now someone has stated on here that you dont have to give reason to vote for someone yet give reason to vote against another, so 2001400EX (nothing personal) But take a look at Michigans Economy in the last 5 years and tell me that you would support another 4 years of complete downard spiral, and if Oblama thinks that taking more substandard politicians to Washington is going to help the rest of our 49 states, I can assure you we are in trouble! Michigans economy is 50th in 50 states - behind Louisiana which has had a natural disaster in the same 5 years that I am refering to! My two cents, and this is my first time in 3 yrs of being apart of this site that I have posted, so it is a pleasure reading all of your great posts!

BCP. thanks for the post!!! I don't think anything on here is personal, if you read into my words, I pretty much invite people to bash me!!

As far as Democrats or Republicans causing Michigan's problems, I can't speak on that (other than my usual, Bush is in bed with the oil companies which is bad for domestic automakers).

I just want someone to speak positively about McCain, I don't honestly care who votes for who. So, go for post #2. Tell me why you think McCain is going to do good for our country/Michigan.

 

[SnowSnob]

Great, thanks for the input, still not sure why you would vote for someone you don't like. Personally I would stay home then. I do believe this is your quote "Liberalism is a mental disorder." That makes sense. I have not once bashed Conservatism.

I can though. Let's see, after 10 years of Reagan, you get a banking crisis and a recession. After 7 years of Bush, you get a banking crisis and a recession. That means the trickle-down theory is working perfectly, right?

Okay, Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and we had the longest period of expansion in history. That must mean that is a horrible policy.

I agree with you there but when most people seem to just pick a side they see what they want to see. He11 some say Bush is going a good job. It's not his fault where stuck in Iraq, it's not his fault the economy is so bad....one guy told me it's all Clintons fault

My wife is a hardcore democrat and she's just as blind and stubborn as the hardcore republicans on here....again picked a side and sees what she wants to see.

I also agree that since I don't like either candidate I'm staying home....well I will go vote for my locals and get those a-holes supporting wilderness outta there.

 

[2001400ex]

I guess it doesn’t count unless we go with your (2001400ex) rules. Why is it so hard for you to understand that most people don’t like everything about there candidate, We go with the one that is closest to our own values and the way we want the country to go. I guess everything about Obama is what you want ? or is he the less of two evils? Its just the way you look at it. anyway this post is not doing what the title is for "snowmobilers for McCain /Palin" It sounds like you are tring to convince yourself of your choice because you’re not convincing anybody else

Actually, I think almost every one of my posts has asked that question, why are you supporting McCain. Before I got on the post, the Obama bashing already started, then progressed into 4 year old e-mails with lies. All I have done is correct the lies and tried to find out what it is about McCain that people want to vote for him. I am not trying to convince anyone. Just enjoy political fighting!! LOL

I don't like everything about Obama and have said some negative things about him as well. And I even advocated a Republican Congress.

And I have stated my reason for voting for him, its the economy. I don't think cutting the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25% will create one job, just increase the wealth on wall street (which trust me, the entire wall street wealth of every member of this forum in total is less than the wall street wealth of say, Warren Buffet.)

 

[WFO or go home]

Less taxes = more capitol which in turn leads to equipment purchases and company expansion = more jobs.

I would rather have a job than $300 (my tax savings under Obama's plan) extra dollars a year in my pocket.

 

[2001400ex]

Less taxes = more capitol which in turn leads to equipment purchases and company expansion = more jobs.

I would rather have a job than $300 (my tax savings under Obama's plan) extra dollars a year in my pocket.

You know, that is a good thought. But also the same philosophy that has been employed the last 7 years. Do we have more jobs now than after the tax cuts or less?

Here is the problem with that thinking (keep in mind, I work in the financial industry, more specifically, with small businesses). The companies that are and have been profitable have plenty of cash and usually distribute that to the owners, it is called a dividend. The companies that are losing money and are laying off people that need the capital are losing money, and therefore not paying taxes. (you only pay taxes on earnings, duh!)

Businesses undergo a cash flow analysis when deciding to expand. It is a smart business decision or not, based on the return. Even look at Microsoft, they decided a couple years ago that reinvestment of their cash into the business was going to be worthless so they distributed the cash to the owners.

 

[plumnuts]

Of course I disagree, but at least you answered the question.

McCain has zero actual executive experience though. He was in the military then a Senator.

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I'm guessing you were not in the military... a wing commander runs it all.. kinda like a community organizer, but only with real responsibilities

 

[JSCC]

Great, glad someone asked. My most important issue is the economy and related items. The 1991/1992 recession, which this is the worst since then, was predicated on the same principles. Historically low interest rates and a banking scandal. Clinton came in and in 1993 raised taxes on the rich what followed was the longest period of expansion in our nation's history. Clinton raised taxes on EVERYONE, not just the rich. Obama's tax plan is basically the same and he can get it passed.Are you forgetting this countries biggest boom in the Dot Com Scheme. Or that Clinton cut all the center out of our military to pay for most of his programs.

There are so many other issues, just going over the most relevant in my little world.

For the comment on Obama, there are 59 state senators and however many members of the house in Illinios. He cannot directly affect the crime rate in Chicago. That is more the Mayor and City Council. That would be like saying the declining home values in Arizona right now is solely the responsibility of McCain. (I know you said keep McCain out, but needed it for a point).

This has got to be the most entirely idiotic thing I have read. A state senator with no direct affect on his constituents...huh, and we want him as president?

 

[JSCC]

its clear how bad middle of america is educated.. why are all the smart well educated people in the coastal states? hmmm? why are the majority of coastal states blue? hmmmm??

http://palinaspresident.com

This goes to show you how ignorant the coastal states are about America. Read a book, take a class, do something.

 

[JSCC]

Has anyone noticed that land use issues have nothing to do with the president? Yes, it is true that Democrats are more likely to close land to riding, but it is not our elected officials (more specifically the president) to cause this.Again, are you kidding me? Really? As already mentioned, did you forget about Clintons road-less areas? Utah lost 1.9 MILLION acres to this. Lost, unusable land. It is clubs like the Sierra Club that push money to the Congressmen (both Democrats and Republicans) to get them to create a bill to close land.The only people that can write the law, are in Congress. No matter how much they are persuaded one way or another, they are the only ones that can write it.

This is just like the last election, they majority of the people I know are voting Republican, and 90% of them say they don't like the candidate, but they are the lesser of two evils. Now, the few people I know that are voting for Obama, all of them tell me they like him and can tell me exactly why they are voting for him.

Ugh!

 

[snowrdr]

Again, proving my point, lesser of two evils. Just stay home then.

Out of curiosity, how can a person be a Muslim AND a dedicated Christian? You even mentioned the two in the same sentence. Most people wait a few paragraphs so the reader does not get the correlation.

And if you want to take the constitution literally and not legislate, then we would still have slavery and no woman's rights. That would be great though, Obama and Palin would not be candidates.

So, after seeing how passionate you are about this topic, at least in your eyes what everyone in this forum is saying is not correct.

NO I AM NOT GOING TO STAY HOME! It is my right as an American to go out and vote. And yes I will exercise my rights.

In the same sentence it can be said that Barak Obama was raised in Muslim schools in Indonesia and that he has become a "Christian" since he has had such great political ambitions. Under the guidance of the hateful Reverend Wright whom said after Sept 11th "our chickens are coming home to roost"? What kind of statement is that? How can Obama say that he does not believe Reverend Wright when he sat in his church for 20 years? You know if I did not agree with my Minister I can assure you that I sure as heck would not stay in that congregation for 20 years. Oh and I did mention Malcolm X who just so happens is a Muslim. So maybe someone can answer why Obama was such an active participant in the Million Man March (hosted by Malcom X)?And yes the news organizations during his run in the primary's did go to Indonesia and discover that yes he was fully educated and studied the Koran. So maybe Obama should denounce Muslims like he has done Reverend Wright and Tony Reszko? Since he is covering up his past by denouncing all of it.

The fact of it is Obama is not the Messiah, he is a smooth talking Liberal who has this country believing that he is a centrist democrat, what a lie that is. Thank goodness for "Joe the Plumber" oh the truth hurts and video cameras don't lie. He said "spread the wealth", oh my nothing like saying your true feelings. Just like Obama said in San Francisco about us "gun toting, clinging to our religion with antipathy to-wards others" Hmm that one sounds like he really loves the "middle class"

 

[2001400ex]

Of course I disagree, but at least you answered the question.

McCain has zero actual executive experience though. He was in the military then a Senator.

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I'm guessing you were not in the military... a wing commander runs it all.. kinda like a community organizer, but only with real responsibilities

While we are making silly statements, here is one. How many planes do you have to crash before you call it "executive experience"?

 

[JSCC]

What McCain will do for me.
1. Will not allow a new tax on small business. No matter there income level.
2. Will not tax me as a business owner if I fail to provide health insurance for my employees.
3. Will not cut money from our Military.
4. Will not grant complete amnesty to illegals, but will allow them a chance to become citizens.
5. He will not have complete control of our Government. (Full Dem Congress)
6. Will not give out hand outs to every Tom Dick Or Harry, no matter if they work or not.
7. Instead of raising taxes, he will cut spending. Like that 850 Billion that Obama wanted to send out in Foreign aid.

I can rattle on.

In rebuttal, I ask that you show how Obama has done the same as these. Not saying he will do them, but HAS done them. I don't believe in talk, I want actual actions.

 

[2001400ex]

This has got to be the most entirely idiotic thing I have read. A state senator with no direct affect on his constituents...huh, and we want him as president?

Read my above quote. If you are using that theory, then McCain is the worst candidate in history on the economy. Median home value went from 268,000 to 205,000 from 2006 through June 2008 in Phoenix.

Chicago went from 273,000 to 258,000. Obama's policies must be working to keep Chicago's home values from dropping in the chitter.

http://www.realtor.org/research/research/metroprice

Puhlease. My comment is that Obama was no longer a Senator in 2002, what does 2003 and 2006 numbers have to do with him. And 1 person of a 59 person Senate cannot by himself reduce crime.

 

[2001400ex]

You asked for rebuttal, so of course see blue comments.

What McCain will do for me.
1. Will not allow a new tax on small business. No matter there income level. Obama has not said he will impose 1 tax on a small business. In case you are not aware, the federal government cannot impose an income tax on small businesses. Look it up.
2. Will not tax me as a business owner if I fail to provide health insurance for my employees. See Obama's plan, he does not tax your business if you do not provide health insurance.
3. Will not cut money from our Military. Both candidates, and I mean both, have voted against funding the troops the exact same number of times.
4. Will not grant complete amnesty to illegals, but will allow them a chance to become citizens. http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a70dd8416efa.htm Read near the bottom, the section discussing "path to legal residence." I know it might shock you, but they both have roughly the same plan here, of which I agree with neither.
5. He will not have complete control of our Government. (Full Dem Congress) Exactly why I want Republican control of Congress.
6. Will not give out hand outs to every Tom Dick Or Harry, no matter if they work or not. I can agree with this, but those programs are there and definitely were not reduced during the 6 years of full Republican control.
7. Instead of raising taxes, he will cut spending. Like that 850 Billion that Obama wanted to send out in Foreign aid. Both have about $1 trillion in new spending and both plans are set to increase the national debt. The experts have a slightly lower increase if ALL of Obama's plans go through compared to McCain (which there is no chance on either side of that happening).

I can rattle on.

In rebuttal, I ask that you show how Obama has done the same as these. Not saying he will do them, but HAS done them. I don't believe in talk, I want actual actions. Same for McCain. He has been a Senator, not solely governing. So the amount of bills he has sponsored is relatively low.

And double check through McCain's record. If you thought Kerry was a flip flopper, then you got something coming. McCain has been on both sides of almost every issue. He has supported gun control, abortion rights, and other Republican strongholds throughout his career. I like Kerry's statement, who are you voting for, candidate McCain or Senator McCain?

At least Obama's voting record matches his campaign, almost directly. Like it or not, that is a fact.

 

[Freak]

I think Im gonna go puke now.....

 

[2001400ex]

I think Im gonna go puke now.....

From your avatar and signature, I am guessing I am the cause!!

I am happy to have helped you lose weight?!?

But please do tell me how Reagan created the economy of the 90s and the Democratic Congress caused the current financial crisis in the last 18 months so I can lose some weight, I really need to.

Thanks!!