Snowmobilers For McCain/Palin...
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Nice copy and paste. How is believing an e-mail better than watching the news? I have deleted some stuff below, but see the comments next to the important stuff.
Here is a quick check sheet,
Media quotes/interviews/references at the bottom.)
Favors new drilling offshore US (Both do, though I do not, how about drill in the 68 million acres we already have leased?)
Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it (So, do we really still want slavery and the lack of women's right to vote? Didn't think so, but that is what we would have if the original constitution was interpreted literally)
Served in the US Armed Forces (Agree, but GW barely did)
Amount of time served in the US Senate
22 YEARS
173 DAYS (How many days are in a year again? This e-mail is a little old, he was elected in 2004)
Will institute a socialized national health care plan (Neither candidate)
Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy (Neither candidate, see Obama's REAL record on that, not Sean Hannity's version)
Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately (Obama has said 6 months)
Supports gun ownership rights (Both support eliminating the gun show loophole)
Supports homosexual marriage (Obama, Biden, AND Palin (see VP Debate) have said they support spousal rights, not gay marriage)
Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase (http://www.kiplinger.com/magazine/archives/2008/11/mccain_obama_tax_plans.html More people get a bigger cut with Obama, only over $250,000 a year does that change)
Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals (Both of them - actually neither, but both support amnesty for illegals, which I do not)
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly w ho are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income..) (This is not true, see Kiplinger report and Obama's website for verification)
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN
15% (no change)
OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.') (Only if your TAXABLE income is over $400,000 a year. This was the same rate during Clinton's tenure and is fair).
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN
(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts) (He is only proposing for those over $250,000 a year. And keep in mind, these numbers are TAXABLE income, not wages. Not one person I know making $30k a year pays one cent of tax right now.)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax) (Wrong, exclusion is $5 million)
OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax (His exclusion is $3.5 million)
Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA
New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. (I feel sorry for you if you believe this)
New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) (Not on the table, but conceivable)
New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) (Not on the table)
New taxes on retirement accounts (Definitely not on the table), and last but not least....
New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!! (Not this one either, Obama is proposing a giant self-insured fund which you could choose rather than your employers)
You can verify the above at the following web sites: (Tried, imagine that, some are Blogs, and most of the information is not available on those websites)
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GangGreen
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So why is believing you, (2001400ex), any better than believing anything on TV? Are you more informed than everybody else? Dosent sound like it to me. Most of what I hear on tv, (news) is anti McCain or trying to uncover some great bad news about Palin. Liberal media 80%,You can find about anything you want on either candidate, Believing on what they say is what is important to me, Check both backgrounds and see where they come from and there Moral values Then you will come up with what they will really do and not just pee down your back and tell you its raining To me McCain is not the best that the US can come up with but, he is 100% better than the other choice. And if you believe that Obama dose not believe in abortion, gun control, socialized national health care, closing our snowmobile land,and tax increase, etc. You are the one that has been listening to too much liberal TV "Radio". I dont know why I am even responding, Like it will do any good . You can go on and think what thay tell you and the rest of us will think for our selfs.
Read back through my posts, you are exactly what I am talking about. I want to you provide me with a reason why you are voting for who you are voting for. And the reason had to be legitimate, not "Obama is going to raise MY taxes" when your family makes $70,000 a year.
All is hear is the "lesser of two evils" method I was personally raised on.
I did not say Obama does not believe in abortion, he definetely supports a woman's right to chose and the FREEDOM to be allowed privacy in that issue.
Gun rights, here it is: http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/77636553-6337-4ecd-b170-49e1c07d2fbd.htm See background checks at gun shows.
He does believe in national health care, here is Obama's plan:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
For snowmobiling/land issues, I am sure he is more supportive of the environment. But those issues came up during 6 years of Republican Congress and President, so that will not change. What we can do is cut if off at the source. The problem is (and I am guilty of this too) that the greenies driving Subarus out there have more time and money than the typical snowmobiler, we are actually out riding. We need to do more and get more money into the lobbyists.
So, please someone tell me a policy that McCain supports that you agree with and that is why you are voting for him.
let me help.. Mr. McCain is the only candidate with actual executive experience (so does his VP pick), does not believe the federal government always is the right answer, hates pork barrel spending, believe in the second amendment, has the right answer on healthcare.. will end the war in Iraq (unlike the other guy who will end our evolvement in the war).. and then leave a huge mess).. want me to go on?
BTW.. think healthcare is expensive? wait until it is "free"
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Of course I disagree, but at least you answered the question.
McCain has zero actual executive experience though. He was in the military then a Senator.
No, Obama is not saying it is "free" or you even have to do it. It is your option. I provided the link above. In Canada it is not free, your wages are taxed at different rates depending on what province you live in.
I agree it's a simple choice if you are snowmobiler. Just by the above statement alone. If Obama wins greenies are going to feel they have the right to shut anything they feel like down. Yellowstone was and still is feeling the effects of Clinton!
who do you think those residents are going to vote for?
<<http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/...ca5caba1de.htm
Yes, that is right off McCain's website. Any more comments?>>
Yes - another comment:
You don't get it - I DO NOT LIKE EITHER CANDIDATE.
McCain is full of sh!t.
Obama is dangerous and more full of sh!t.
Romney and Hillary must be sick.
Yes, that is right off McCain's website. Any more comments?>>
Yes - another comment:
You don't get it - I DO NOT LIKE EITHER CANDIDATE.
McCain is full of sh!t.
Obama is dangerous and more full of sh!t.
Romney and Hillary must be sick.
Here's some more evidence of the connections from the top down:
http://www.summitdaily.com/article/...itle=Conservation group targets roadless plan
http://www.summitdaily.com/article/...itle=Conservation group targets roadless plan
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snowrdr
Well-known member
Lets put it this way. Both candidates suck. Obama is a Muslim, true believer of Saul Alinsky, supporter of the "weather underground", a devote follower of Reverend Wright and Malcom X million man march participant. Enough said on the compulsive liar.
Economic redistribution is not a part of the American dream. I can assure you that my years of hard work to get to where I am today do not need to benefit the lazy bastard at home with 6 kids to get a bigger welfare check.
McCain, well I support him, but he is the lesser of 2 evils(I think). Not a big fan of his environmental record nor do I think he is the best candidate for snowmobilers. I hope that he wins and picks judges whom do not legislate from the bench.
Fact of it is all politicians be it Democrat or Republican do what is best for their wallet and not what is best for the people.
To view a Obama presidency watch the movie Dr Zhivago and there you have it.
Economic redistribution is not a part of the American dream. I can assure you that my years of hard work to get to where I am today do not need to benefit the lazy bastard at home with 6 kids to get a bigger welfare check.
McCain, well I support him, but he is the lesser of 2 evils(I think). Not a big fan of his environmental record nor do I think he is the best candidate for snowmobilers. I hope that he wins and picks judges whom do not legislate from the bench.
Fact of it is all politicians be it Democrat or Republican do what is best for their wallet and not what is best for the people.
To view a Obama presidency watch the movie Dr Zhivago and there you have it.
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HardcoreAK
Member
Policy doesnt mean jack
McCain = has enough executive experience to get the job done, though I dont think he was the best republican candidate, I think he is in tune with America, especially when he chose his running mate. McCain has enough experience to nominate the right people to his cabinet to support him.
Obama = has enough ties to terrorist organizers and islamic extremists that he wont have to worry about policy, POLICIES WILL BE HANDED DOWN TO HIM
I have family from Canada. Their health care SUCKS. My aunt worked in a Dr.'s office in Calgary for thirty years. She can have her hips replaced for free in Calgary, YET SHE PAYS OUT OF HER OWN POCKET TO HAVE THEM DONE IN THE US, TWICE. She is living on a fixed income. You have talked to two people from Canada, about health care.....
Dude if CANADA is so great why dont you move there, so you can feel SAFE in your "little world" with all that gun control, Hmmm stabbings are up.....and we can have America just the way it is?
Why don't you tell me, where ONE SINGLE gun control law has prevented ANY crime? NONE. Gun crimes are mostly all committed by people who have gotten the weapon illegally, and most of them are already illegally in possession due to prior convictions. I know these facts, so dont tread on me with your "regulate the guns" crap. Ask a JEW what they think about gun control, Oh, thats right, the holocaust never happened.....
While you are packed up and on the road to the NANNY state, why dont you stop by and pick up Fienstien (sp?) and Sarah Brady, and Pelosi, and the Clintons and take them with you. You guys can have a big old liberal party up there! And join the PARLIAMENT where you can have tea and biscuits and find ways to create more brainwashing propaganda to spread to the US about why Canada is so great.
Democratic appointments from the Clinton era and collaboration of Obama's former seated "public organizations" (tax dollar funded radically extreme liberal supporting foundations like ACORN) were the KEY factors in why our economy is in the tank, it has little to do with Bush. Now we want to let this KOOK run the country? He has experience? Get real.
McCain was the LAST candidate I would have EVER thought would make it through the debates. Why not Ron Paul? Why not Huckabee? Why not Fred?Because the "rich people" that are in control of big businesses put him where he is today, on the presidential ticket. Bought and paid for. Just like Obama is just a smooth talkin YES man that comes from origins unknown and has NO BUSINESS in the oval office. Obama made it past the debates because he was groomed from the start, to say what the poor and disadvantaged people want to hear, groomed by the "rich people" that want control of diverted tax dollars for their organization, control of public lands in the name of preservation, and a legal stranglehold on industry, so they can further promote their platform of fairness by taking from those who work for their goods and GIVING it to those who CRY because they are inept or simply arent smart enough to make it without "assistance" programs.
Food for thought: from Wikipedia
138 million people filed a 1040 in 2007, and 40 million of them were exempt or payed 0 tax.
So the way I crunch numbers out of an underestimated 250million citizens that leaves 98 million people to pay tax with a median income of 47k a year thats roughly 8500.00 after tax credits etc for childeren or whatever. That 8500 times 98 million 833billion, is only a drop in the bucket for the US treasury to spend in one year. Where does that leave us? CORPORATE taxes pay the way in the US. Billions and billions. Cut out or cripple the big companies that are the bread winner for this country and we have BIG trouble on our hands, just like right now. Thats why McCain's policy of helping business make more money WILL HELP SAVE OUR ECONOMY. Taking from them will KILL it.
Big OIL is keeping our economy afloat right now, rich with tax revenues, look at those quarterly profits, tax paid quarterly thats when C-corp taxes are due, by the way, unlike the business you talk about. Oh and if you are unsure of the liability, YOU MUST ESTIMATE IT and if you underpay in advance you will pay FINES, so lets kick them guys right in the sack.....
Government is built around checks and balances. We do NOT live in a dictatorship. Whatever happens we will be in a mess real soon either way, but the way I see it, we could use a Hockey Moms perspective in the White House..... I say let her go and give it hell, couldnt be any worse than GWB. Vote for Obama, so you can only tell your kids what it was like to ride in the mountains....cause they will likely not get to experience it.
McCain = has enough executive experience to get the job done, though I dont think he was the best republican candidate, I think he is in tune with America, especially when he chose his running mate. McCain has enough experience to nominate the right people to his cabinet to support him.
Obama = has enough ties to terrorist organizers and islamic extremists that he wont have to worry about policy, POLICIES WILL BE HANDED DOWN TO HIM
I have family from Canada. Their health care SUCKS. My aunt worked in a Dr.'s office in Calgary for thirty years. She can have her hips replaced for free in Calgary, YET SHE PAYS OUT OF HER OWN POCKET TO HAVE THEM DONE IN THE US, TWICE. She is living on a fixed income. You have talked to two people from Canada, about health care.....
Dude if CANADA is so great why dont you move there, so you can feel SAFE in your "little world" with all that gun control, Hmmm stabbings are up.....and we can have America just the way it is?
Why don't you tell me, where ONE SINGLE gun control law has prevented ANY crime? NONE. Gun crimes are mostly all committed by people who have gotten the weapon illegally, and most of them are already illegally in possession due to prior convictions. I know these facts, so dont tread on me with your "regulate the guns" crap. Ask a JEW what they think about gun control, Oh, thats right, the holocaust never happened.....
While you are packed up and on the road to the NANNY state, why dont you stop by and pick up Fienstien (sp?) and Sarah Brady, and Pelosi, and the Clintons and take them with you. You guys can have a big old liberal party up there! And join the PARLIAMENT where you can have tea and biscuits and find ways to create more brainwashing propaganda to spread to the US about why Canada is so great.
Democratic appointments from the Clinton era and collaboration of Obama's former seated "public organizations" (tax dollar funded radically extreme liberal supporting foundations like ACORN) were the KEY factors in why our economy is in the tank, it has little to do with Bush. Now we want to let this KOOK run the country? He has experience? Get real.
McCain was the LAST candidate I would have EVER thought would make it through the debates. Why not Ron Paul? Why not Huckabee? Why not Fred?Because the "rich people" that are in control of big businesses put him where he is today, on the presidential ticket. Bought and paid for. Just like Obama is just a smooth talkin YES man that comes from origins unknown and has NO BUSINESS in the oval office. Obama made it past the debates because he was groomed from the start, to say what the poor and disadvantaged people want to hear, groomed by the "rich people" that want control of diverted tax dollars for their organization, control of public lands in the name of preservation, and a legal stranglehold on industry, so they can further promote their platform of fairness by taking from those who work for their goods and GIVING it to those who CRY because they are inept or simply arent smart enough to make it without "assistance" programs.
Food for thought: from Wikipedia
138 million people filed a 1040 in 2007, and 40 million of them were exempt or payed 0 tax.
So the way I crunch numbers out of an underestimated 250million citizens that leaves 98 million people to pay tax with a median income of 47k a year thats roughly 8500.00 after tax credits etc for childeren or whatever. That 8500 times 98 million 833billion, is only a drop in the bucket for the US treasury to spend in one year. Where does that leave us? CORPORATE taxes pay the way in the US. Billions and billions. Cut out or cripple the big companies that are the bread winner for this country and we have BIG trouble on our hands, just like right now. Thats why McCain's policy of helping business make more money WILL HELP SAVE OUR ECONOMY. Taking from them will KILL it.
Big OIL is keeping our economy afloat right now, rich with tax revenues, look at those quarterly profits, tax paid quarterly thats when C-corp taxes are due, by the way, unlike the business you talk about. Oh and if you are unsure of the liability, YOU MUST ESTIMATE IT and if you underpay in advance you will pay FINES, so lets kick them guys right in the sack.....
Government is built around checks and balances. We do NOT live in a dictatorship. Whatever happens we will be in a mess real soon either way, but the way I see it, we could use a Hockey Moms perspective in the White House..... I say let her go and give it hell, couldnt be any worse than GWB. Vote for Obama, so you can only tell your kids what it was like to ride in the mountains....cause they will likely not get to experience it.
Great, thanks for the input, still not sure why you would vote for someone you don't like. Personally I would stay home then. I do believe this is your quote "Liberalism is a mental disorder." That makes sense. I have not once bashed Conservatism.
I can though. Let's see, after 10 years of Reagan, you get a banking crisis and a recession. After 7 years of Bush, you get a banking crisis and a recession. That means the trickle-down theory is working perfectly, right?
Okay, Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and we had the longest period of expansion in history. That must mean that is a horrible policy.
Again, proving my point, lesser of two evils. Just stay home then.
Out of curiosity, how can a person be a Muslim AND a dedicated Christian? You even mentioned the two in the same sentence. Most people wait a few paragraphs so the reader does not get the correlation.
And if you want to take the constitution literally and not legislate, then we would still have slavery and no woman's rights. That would be great though, Obama and Palin would not be candidates.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
And at NO point have I advocated anything about Canada. I only pointed out the difference between what they have and what Obama is proposing. Thanks for spending 15 minutes on that though.
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Unfortunately I do not have time to respond to everything but I will hit one:
GUN CONTROL......that's a good one. That's got Billary written all over it. Obama has been smart enough to dance around that one.
This idea that changing the gun show loophole will fix things is unbelievable. Criminal will get guns, its a fact. Australia is a fine example of what gun control creates, a free for all for the criminals. I spent a lot of time there and the general public is VERY unhappy about that clusterfudge.
Let's take the guns away from the masses so only the criminals can have them.
Staying on voting day is worse than voting for the lesser of two evils.
GUN CONTROL......that's a good one. That's got Billary written all over it. Obama has been smart enough to dance around that one.
This idea that changing the gun show loophole will fix things is unbelievable. Criminal will get guns, its a fact. Australia is a fine example of what gun control creates, a free for all for the criminals. I spent a lot of time there and the general public is VERY unhappy about that clusterfudge.
Let's take the guns away from the masses so only the criminals can have them.
Staying on voting day is worse than voting for the lesser of two evils.
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I agree as I am middle of the road on gun control. I think there needs to be some controls to get illegal guns off the street. But the second amendment rights need to be upheld, there has to be a middle ground that is fair for everyone.
I just like to point out that McCain is the first Republican to support any gun controls, and it is right on his website.
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GangGreen
Member
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I was not going to post here any more but the same thing keeps coming up.
Wow, if you read this post as well as you read your internet sites you would see all the policies that people support for Mccain.
Just to name a few more ,
1-Abortion
2-Tax on large, small business
3-War policy
4-gun policy
5-health care plans
6-land policy
7-vice pres choice
8-experience
9-morals etc.
10- better looking wife/v.p
11- rides A.C.
And do not post your answers for each item , we know already!
I could go on but these are a enough to show that people do like his policies better.
Like I said before, who is lying and who is telling the truth. look at there backgrounds then pick the lesser evil.
And tring to blame Ragan etc. for the economy troubles? you can strech things bigger than most.
With the millions of people the US has, is this the best we can come up with?
That is the tough part, nearly impossible I would say. Getting the blackmarket gun supply shut off would be nearly impossible.
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BCP
Member
I dont get involved in this stuff too often, yet - I am from Michigan and we are all aware of the state of emergency that Michigans economy is in. Jennifer Ganholm is almost assured to be taken to Washington if Oblama wins. Now someone has stated on here that you dont have to give reason to vote for someone yet give reason to vote against another, so 2001400EX (nothing personal) But take a look at Michigans Economy in the last 5 years and tell me that you would support another 4 years of complete downard spiral, and if Oblama thinks that taking more substandard politicians to Washington is going to help the rest of our 49 states, I can assure you we are in trouble! Michigans economy is 50th in 50 states - behind Louisiana which has had a natural disaster in the same 5 years that I am refering to! My two cents, and this is my first time in 3 yrs of being apart of this site that I have posted, so it is a pleasure reading all of your great posts!
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