I have similar opinion and exp as above.I will start off by saying that I have nothing but respect for the police, cops, rcmp, sheriff etc etc and do AGREE 100% that they provide a very much needed service to society! BUT I will agree that just like any other profession there is bad apples out there and knowing your rights is a good idea. I've lived in the same city almost all my life, and yes when I was 13-14-15-16 I was a punk and did get into alot of trouble (fighting, disturbing the peace, drinking in public, etc). Me and my friend group were well known to the police and for good reason. So by no means am I claiming to be a saint here. After I learned my rights a 6 or 7 years back and look back in the past I can honestly say that the amount of times my rights were violated as a youth are sickening! So now anytime an officer pulls me over for no reason or starts asking me irrelevant questions "where are you going", "who's your friend", "mind if we look inside your vehicle", "step outside the vehicle" etc etc. I say politely here is my license and registration and my day/night is going well thank you. Some times it goes well and some times it doesn't. I cant count the number of times I've been threatened with the charge of "obstruction of justice" for not answering irrelevant questions. I've had my window smashed out with batons and dragged out of my vehicle for not answering these questions in the past just to prove a point. NO I will not be charged for exercising my rights and yes if you try it will be thrown out of court upon first appearance. My solution is simple, if I feel I'm being violated I call my lawyer on his cell phone and let him listen in on the scenario with the officer aware of who is on the phone. 99% of the time this defuses the situation. I'm 26 now and have not been in any trouble with the law for over 10 years. I am the first to admit that I was a little puke when I was younger BUT I don't feel I should still be paying for it with harassment from law authority. I think pretty much everyone who has posted on this thread has their own valid points and should be respected as their own opinion. IMO teach your children their rights and teach them to respect and trust authority figures in society. If they know their rights than they will know when they are being violated and know who to trust on an individual basis.
BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters
- Thread starter Ultra
- Start date
X
X2Freeride
Well-known member
Oh yeah I can say I have walked a mile in those shoes.
The point of the video is to make you aware of your rights.It shows you how to respectfully make the officer aware that you know your rights.This makes it less likely for him to violate your rights.
It doesn't say you shouldn't trust cops or they're all bad,as a matter of fact it says this is just a guideline and you should always follow the police officers instructions.
Those of you who condemn it without watching it are doing yourself a disservice.
It doesn't say you shouldn't trust cops or they're all bad,as a matter of fact it says this is just a guideline and you should always follow the police officers instructions.
Those of you who condemn it without watching it are doing yourself a disservice.
I'm starting to like this J-Fly guy.
At least he knows what he stands for: Pot at all cost.
The only problem I see for him is that he lives in a *civilized* society.
Here's some good reading about how these types work:
Hippie Seperatist Movement
Excerpt:
<<However, they realized they first needed to isolate hippies from the outside world to aid in getting their money. However, hippies like to think of themselves as individualists, so they needed reasons for the hippies to isolate themselves. To do this wasn't too hard, as most of the hippies disagreement with the government came over the hippies wanting to grow their own drugs, which the government wouldn't let them.>>
<<Things to Do At Hippie Communes
One thing hippie communes are started for is to foster creative expression and art. However, most hippies don't realize their art sucks. If you go to a hippie commune, you may be forced to listen to very crappy music or poetry. You may be forced to look at crappy paintings or sculpture, you may have to endure the dreaded hippie play or rock opera, or possibly even the worst of all, the hippie preformance art. >>
<<Another thing hippie communes are formed for is politics. Often a group of hippies has found dis-satisfaction with the outside world, and therefore has retreated into solitude amongst its own group. Most hippies interested in politics however have no effect upon it. These people will often just simply debate politics all day while smoking marijuana or kitten huffing, and not do any kind of political activism or voting. When sober for a brief amount of time, some hippie communes will attend protests, sit-ins, teach-ins, rallies, or riots, but they will not vote since they consider voting to be taking part in a corrupt political system.>>
Viva la J-Fly!
MD.
At least he knows what he stands for: Pot at all cost.
The only problem I see for him is that he lives in a *civilized* society.
Here's some good reading about how these types work:
Hippie Seperatist Movement
Excerpt:
<<However, they realized they first needed to isolate hippies from the outside world to aid in getting their money. However, hippies like to think of themselves as individualists, so they needed reasons for the hippies to isolate themselves. To do this wasn't too hard, as most of the hippies disagreement with the government came over the hippies wanting to grow their own drugs, which the government wouldn't let them.>>
<<Things to Do At Hippie Communes
One thing hippie communes are started for is to foster creative expression and art. However, most hippies don't realize their art sucks. If you go to a hippie commune, you may be forced to listen to very crappy music or poetry. You may be forced to look at crappy paintings or sculpture, you may have to endure the dreaded hippie play or rock opera, or possibly even the worst of all, the hippie preformance art. >>
<<Another thing hippie communes are formed for is politics. Often a group of hippies has found dis-satisfaction with the outside world, and therefore has retreated into solitude amongst its own group. Most hippies interested in politics however have no effect upon it. These people will often just simply debate politics all day while smoking marijuana or kitten huffing, and not do any kind of political activism or voting. When sober for a brief amount of time, some hippie communes will attend protests, sit-ins, teach-ins, rallies, or riots, but they will not vote since they consider voting to be taking part in a corrupt political system.>>
Viva la J-Fly!
MD.
Last edited:
I googled the letter "a" and got 16.8 BILLION results. the letter a has been busy.
Your point about how many hits came up under google is another example of your ignorance. I believe 98% is actually a low number. The problem is, no one is interested in the good things a cop does. Only the bad make the news. The fact that you think good cops are a minority is another example of your skewed opinion. You read about things while I live it every day. I wouldn't venture to say I know more about your profession than you do because I've experienced or read of a few examples.
I didn't sidestep anything. I just don't answer ignorant questions. Your question about whether or not I explain certain amendments is just rediculous and shows how far out of touch you actually are. Under your question you make the assumption that I am going to attempt to violate someone's rights, and it is up to them to stop me through their knowlege. Again, you assume things about officers based on a few examples.
Police officers do things every day that are heroic, honorable, and thankless but those things are very seldom covered or shown by the media. If they were, you might have a slightly different view.
M
MPS
Well-known member
LMAO Yeti! Ya douche!
I am not addressing the video here....I am addressing the post by Ultra and so many others' posts on this website.
Oh my hell....these threads are the same thing with a different title and author. Gimme a break. So do you propose a society without law and the enforcement of law Ultra? You propose anarchy? Whatever happened to accountability? Do you know what that word means Ultra? I would be very curious to see your record. People like you that spew this garbage always have extensive records. Am I being judgemental? ...hmmm yup. Nice google results...hahahaha....anyone can type the crap you do online. Anyone can claim police corruption including the media, doesn't mean it is true. Does it exist....ya....is it better now than 20-30 years ago. Yes.
I use to work for a sheriff....he is as corrupt as they come....I walked out and went straight to the attorney general's office after I had it with him stealing my evidence and interfering with my investigations. He took 20 guns and 40k out of the evidence room. He told me not to worry about it. I knew I was getting close to busting his son for trafficking Meth. Yes corruption is out there, is it a perfect system...hell no...most cops are good men. Yes there are a lot of cops that rub people wrong....are they still good men....YES. You work LE for a couple years and try to not let it change you. You become numb to a lot of emotion. Is that a good trait...hell no...but it is just what the job does to you. Why do you think the divorce rate of a cop is so high. The job has an extremely negative affect on most. You have no idea the kind of sh*t we wade in day after day. To all of you that so harshly criticize us...walk a year in our shoes and let me see if you spew the same garbage after. If you come across a cop that has a very good attitude....consider yourself lucky, it isn't your right that he be pleasant to you if you are a suspect in a crime. Yes he should be respectful and fair. Respectful means no calling you names, sexually harrassing you, and no force that is not necessary. If he is arrogant or is just a plain d*ck...that is unfortunate, but I don't care. Go cry to someone else...pull up your little girl panties and move on. If he/she violated your rights...ok then you can talk. If you come across a cop that doesn't seem too happy....think of this...he may have seen a decapitated little boy hours earlier. Think of the big picture and get out of your little happy box of a life. I am so sick of the whiners on here....whining about LE doing this and that....about a cop lying, about too much force used, about cops writing tickets when they should find my stolen sled, etc, etc. BOOOO HOOOO! Take of your little girl panties and put on some big boy underwear! Clean up your life and take some accountability for it and stop putting blame on cops, prosecutors, judges, etc. Then you teach your kids your lack of accountability....hmmmm....yes that is why I deal with generational criminals......grandpa, his son, and his son. Go ahead and pass on that lack of accountibility and anti-social behaviors to your kids....I will be placing cuffs on them before you know it.
"Tricks of entrapment" ......haha spoken like a true enabler of your children's delinquency. Pathetic.
.
I am not addressing the video here....I am addressing the post by Ultra and so many others' posts on this website.
Oh my hell....these threads are the same thing with a different title and author. Gimme a break. So do you propose a society without law and the enforcement of law Ultra? You propose anarchy? Whatever happened to accountability? Do you know what that word means Ultra? I would be very curious to see your record. People like you that spew this garbage always have extensive records. Am I being judgemental? ...hmmm yup. Nice google results...hahahaha....anyone can type the crap you do online. Anyone can claim police corruption including the media, doesn't mean it is true. Does it exist....ya....is it better now than 20-30 years ago. Yes.
I use to work for a sheriff....he is as corrupt as they come....I walked out and went straight to the attorney general's office after I had it with him stealing my evidence and interfering with my investigations. He took 20 guns and 40k out of the evidence room. He told me not to worry about it. I knew I was getting close to busting his son for trafficking Meth. Yes corruption is out there, is it a perfect system...hell no...most cops are good men. Yes there are a lot of cops that rub people wrong....are they still good men....YES. You work LE for a couple years and try to not let it change you. You become numb to a lot of emotion. Is that a good trait...hell no...but it is just what the job does to you. Why do you think the divorce rate of a cop is so high. The job has an extremely negative affect on most. You have no idea the kind of sh*t we wade in day after day. To all of you that so harshly criticize us...walk a year in our shoes and let me see if you spew the same garbage after. If you come across a cop that has a very good attitude....consider yourself lucky, it isn't your right that he be pleasant to you if you are a suspect in a crime. Yes he should be respectful and fair. Respectful means no calling you names, sexually harrassing you, and no force that is not necessary. If he is arrogant or is just a plain d*ck...that is unfortunate, but I don't care. Go cry to someone else...pull up your little girl panties and move on. If he/she violated your rights...ok then you can talk. If you come across a cop that doesn't seem too happy....think of this...he may have seen a decapitated little boy hours earlier. Think of the big picture and get out of your little happy box of a life. I am so sick of the whiners on here....whining about LE doing this and that....about a cop lying, about too much force used, about cops writing tickets when they should find my stolen sled, etc, etc. BOOOO HOOOO! Take of your little girl panties and put on some big boy underwear! Clean up your life and take some accountability for it and stop putting blame on cops, prosecutors, judges, etc. Then you teach your kids your lack of accountability....hmmmm....yes that is why I deal with generational criminals......grandpa, his son, and his son. Go ahead and pass on that lack of accountibility and anti-social behaviors to your kids....I will be placing cuffs on them before you know it.
"Tricks of entrapment" ......haha spoken like a true enabler of your children's delinquency. Pathetic.
.
Last edited:
You are so brainwashed, you dont even know it. Cops suck, and no one likes them. Face the truth. You work for a corrupt system. I got nothing against cops as individual people, i dont hang out with any. I dont like the company you work for, the government. We have rights that were given to us by god, and the constitution, cops violate those rights everyday. Plus most are just stuck up idiots.
<image removed>
Last edited by a moderator:
M
MPS
Well-known member
Do you think you have any weight on this forum? Do you think anything you say matters? You are like some nut job yelling on the street corner that claims he is Jesus. Do you understand how we view you now?
.
I agree with you MPS !
I also agree with J-Fly to a degree
But the manner in which J-Flea approaches the debate destroys any tiny shread of credibility that might exsist. J-fly please STFU I openly support legalzation and I do think law enforcment is out of hand, but Going on and on like and idiot on both sbujects does neither cause any good infact quite the opposite.
This pretty much sums it up.
I get so sick and tired of cops saying how bad they have it, BOO HOO you should try to pull up YOUR little girl panties. If you cant handle it quit, nobody made you be a cop except yourself. They all want a pat on the back for doing a job they signed up for.
I can't understand why you and Denver R1 are attacking Ultra and FlyingFinn so harshly when all they are saying is 'know your rights'.
These 'rights' are pretty clearly spelled out in the US Constitution and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
The US Constitution and CCRF. are what the Laws of the Land are based on....... and if I understand correctly, you guys (Leo's) have take an oath to enforce and protect.
I said earlier to R1 that the pot is calling the kettle black --- what I meant is HE says he gets to use these 'rights' as part of his job as a LEO, but Joe Schmoe isn't supposed to (a) know about them, as shown in the video, (b) have access to use them and (c) teach one's kids about them.
Give me a break......LEO's can't have it both ways or the next step would be becoming Judge, Jury and Prison Warden
M
MPS
Well-known member
I clearly stated in my post that I wasn't addressing the video. ...and no that isn't all Ultra said! Are you serious!? Please know your rights! I hate ignorance to one's rights! I hate when people claim they have a right that isn't true. Know when to shut up (please know this one!) and know you have the right to an attorney. Educate yourself about PC, about search warrants, plain view, incident to arrest, etc, etc.
I clearly stated I was addressing what he said in his post! .....IE....cops lie, don't trust them, teaching his kids not to trust them....etc, etc. Hey Ultra....I can admit I am tricky....I lie all the time to catch a predator. You ever seen "To Catch a Predator?" I suppose you think that is entrapment too? I have lied to sex predators a 1000 times to get them to slip up! ....AND I WILL DO IT AGAIN TODAY! I will lie today when interrogating someone to solicite the information I need. You want to call it dishonesty...I don't care...I call it a tactic to get a POS put behind bars! I'm sure your tune would change if your wife was raped or your child was molested. I am sure it would fly if I said....sorry I can't lie when interrogating this suspect to find out where your kidnapped child is!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
Cops dont want you to know you rights because it takes away some of their scare tactics. Guilty until proven innocent.
Attacking? Please read the post my MPS about big boy underwear and apply.
And there you go reading into things. Did you even read all my posts? I never said that only I get to USE these rights as part of my job, and Joe Schmoe isn't supposed to know them.... I wish EVERYONE knew their rights, it would make it easier for us! You have no idea of what the real world is like.
The part I didn't like was where he teaches his kids to avoid cops, that cops are the bad guys. Don't put words in my mouth.
M
MPS
Well-known member
How often do you see me post a thread whining about how hard my job is? Do you see DenverR1 do this? Yes the job can be tough. I just tried to enlighten some of you that just want to b*tch and have absolutely no respect for these men and women sacrificing so much for you....but I don't know why I waste my breath. Yes, we do it for the pay....hahaha....thats it.
I enjoy my job and believe me I can handle anything that is thrown my way! I get to put society's predators and leeches in jail. I don't want a pat on the back from anyone, I am tired of the whiners. I am out of patience for you! Do something to better yourself and your community and shut up!!! This self serving attitude is everywhere...has anyone ever known me to back down from a pathetic self-serving, entitled, poor me attitude? "This cop lied, this cop was a d*ck, this cop put this guy in a coma, this cop hurt my feelings, this cop yelled at my kid." WAAAA WAAAA
You got it...I am done trying to to enlighten people about what cops deal with. I simply try to point out the sacrifices they make for the good of the people in their community. It's ok your head will always be up your a$$. See my signature.
.
I reallly could care less about my "weight" on this forum, that is all in your head. Do you realize a lot of people view you the same way, because of your ultra conservative views and rants? Ha, we are both nutjobs, just opposite ends of the spectrum
Catching rapists and kidnappers is one thing, and i know you guys dont do that on a regular basis, at least not in Silverthorne. Cops lie all the time just to pull people over where I live, just so they can walk up to the car and see if your drunk. Its happened to me more than once in Summit County, and numerous other people up here. I have had cops lie to me numerous times. I have met a few nice cops along the way, but the majority are pricks, and i try to avoid them at all costs.
A
Abominable
Well-known member
MPS reading mcfly's post:
M
MPS
Well-known member
Sure do....we have units that specialize in sex crimes.
Classic training aid for douche bags:
http://www.spike.com/video/chris-rock-how-not/2458063
.
Last edited:
