BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters

[newmy1]

WoW, so because I believe in the Bill of Rights I am a scumbag and because I believe in exercising the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments then I must be guilty of something? I hope most of you never sit on a jury.

If you cops are so damn honest when is the last time any of you have explained these amendments and the rights they afford to some scared kid you have cornered before you ran him over with your authority? I am guessing none of you.

All the above responses do kind of prove the point though. Your obvious answer is he must be guilty of something otherwise he should lay down and take it. After all if he has nothing to hide what’s the problem. These are pathetic excuses for a free country! A country that is trending to a not so free country because it citizens lay down for a tyrannical government.

Most of you need to go back and read the post from “TheFlyingFynn” He pretty much nailed it. You also need to teach your kids about the “Bill of Rights” and the remainder of the constitution, if the government and it’s school don’t teach this to your kids then who will?

No wonder our prisons have innocent people locked up http://www.vdare.com/roberts/prison_state.htm and more prisoners per ca pita than any other country in the world. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita

Also, you missed my demographics by a mile. My kids, myself, my immediate family, my extended family and my in laws have never been arrested. I am in my 50’s and have been in a professional career for 32 years and have managed a second business for 21 years and a third for 5 years. Been married to the same woman for 30 years. My first kid is a 4.0 student in college when she can afford to go, because she wants to do it on her own and my second kid just bought a house at 20 years old. I haven’t even had a traffic ticket for longer than most of you have been alive. Hardly a family of law breakers and pot growers.

I'm sure you are a good guy but for gosh sakes, do you also teach your kids that they can't trust and should avoid doctors/nurses/school teachers/bankers/carpenters/electricians/blumbers/mechanics etc etc because a small percentage of people in EVERY profession are scumbags? Hell w/o these professions would anyone have a pot to pizz in? BTW I don't think anyone called you a lawbreaker or a pot smoker, you may want to re read the posts....I'll go out on a limb here, do you teach your kids to TRUST anyone?

 

[TheFlyingFynn]

This guy giving parenting advice.....scary.

DenverR1 he is right...his statistics are accurate and gives the back up to prove it.

What do you do when you get stopped for speeding. I know what my friend does he pulls out his ID next to his badge and we keep on motoring to where ever we are going. This may be considered a perc for LEO, but the rest of us did not agree to it as we pay steep fines.

Our system is failing and we are putting people in prison becuse the inmates are seen as cattle for the private prison system. The states get paid so much per inmate then sell him off to a private prison who pays less and then they pocket the difference. The system incentivises locking people up not rehabilitating them. Why arent all non violent offenders on ankle bracelets and being monitored...we got the internet I think we can monitor some people...make them work why should I have to pay twice. Make him work and track him.

There is so many conflicting laws on the books I dare any of you to go out and not break 1 during your day.

I mean all laws, tax laws, traffic, corporate, criminal...you can not do it. Because there are to many conflicting ones and unreasonable just for revenue purposes alone.

Remember 1 mph is breaking the law, no turn signal, jay walking, not being honest on taxes, not classify your exp in buisness correctly....home office dedution etc it goes on and on. Distracted driver laws techincally the can get you for anything.

Criminal mischief, disorderly conduct in you own house.

System is geared to arrest and creat revenue...it is not in the best interest of the public anymore....The city or state does not have my best interest in mind nor would I think they should I have a emotions they dont.

 

[cacsrx1]

I'm sure you are a good guy but for gosh sakes, do you also teach your kids that they can't trust and should avoid doctors/nurses/school teachers/bankers/carpenters/electricians/blumbers/mechanics etc etc because a small percentage of people in EVERY profession are scumbags? Hell w/o these professions would anyone have a pot to pizz in? BTW I don't think anyone called you a lawbreaker or a pot smoker, you may want to re read the posts....I'll go out on a limb here, do you teach your kids to TRUST anyone?

There are scumbags in every profession, but the ones you listed dont have the power to coherse a statement from you, or try to get you to self incriminate. There lies the difference.

 

[togwotee9]

I don't know, a blumber is pretty powerful

 

[Turtlehead]

Sgt. Sisk: Ladies and gentlemen, our suspect is not human. He is at home in the bush. Shoot to kill. Any questions?
Mob Member: Oh, yeah, yeah, I got a question there. When do we get to light our torches?
Sgt. Sisk: When it gets dark.
Mob Member: Ah, I see. Oh, hey, I got another question there. Suppose, hypothetically, you know, a guy had already lit his torch. I mean, it'd be cool if he could just keep it lit, huh?
Sgt. Sisk: Yes.
Mob Member: Oh, excellent. Excellent.
Sgt. Sisk: Now, if there are no more questions...
Mob Member: Oh, hey, hey, hey, I got another question. Hey, uh, if one part of the mob gets separated from another part of the mob, shouldn't there be a place that we can get together? Maybe a secret place the two mobs could reunite, and we'd be a big mob again.
Sgt. Sisk: Stay with the mob.
Mob Member: Stay with the mob. All right.
Sgt. Sisk: Right.
Mob Member: Hey, hey, hey, I got another question. Hey, uh, doesn't this guy deserve a fair trial?
Sgt. Sisk: You - back of the mob!
Mob Member: "Back of the mob"? What? This is my spot! I came early!
Sgt. Sisk: Okay, *out* of the mob!
Mob Member: Ah, this mob blows.

 

[newmy1]

I don't know, a blumber is pretty powerful

10K starving comedians out there and we now have to put up with your chit

 

[duke1n]

They bust medical marijuana gardens, and kill the plants, even though its 100 percent legal. Cops in Denver still write tickets for marijuana, even though the City of Denver voted to legalize less than an ounce.

I've boiled J-High's beef down to the real issue he's got with law enforcement lol. That said, I thought we had already been over this J? Get off the innerweb and get back out there and finish mowing my yard dammit! Focus!

 

[JDKZRT]

This guy giving parenting advice.....scary.

..... funny that you didn't say the same thing to the numerous posters above who said people should teach their kids to respect police (which every one should imo).
You put forward good points, then turn around and, like the pot calling the kettle black, shoot
yourself in the foot.

 

[cubby]

Sgt. Sisk: Ladies and gentlemen, our suspect is not human. He is at home in the bush. Shoot to kill. Any questions?
Mob Member: Oh, yeah, yeah, I got a question there. When do we get to light our torches?
Sgt. Sisk: When it gets dark.
Mob Member: Ah, I see. Oh, hey, I got another question there. Suppose, hypothetically, you know, a guy had already lit his torch. I mean, it'd be cool if he could just keep it lit, huh?
Sgt. Sisk: Yes.
Mob Member: Oh, excellent. Excellent.
Sgt. Sisk: Now, if there are no more questions...
Mob Member: Oh, hey, hey, hey, I got another question. Hey, uh, if one part of the mob gets separated from another part of the mob, shouldn't there be a place that we can get together? Maybe a secret place the two mobs could reunite, and we'd be a big mob again.
Sgt. Sisk: Stay with the mob.
Mob Member: Stay with the mob. All right.
Sgt. Sisk: Right.
Mob Member: Hey, hey, hey, I got another question. Hey, uh, doesn't this guy deserve a fair trial?
Sgt. Sisk: You - back of the mob!
Mob Member: "Back of the mob"? What? This is my spot! I came early!
Sgt. Sisk: Okay, *out* of the mob!
Mob Member: Ah, this mob blows.

Cann't remember the movie that's from but that is funny chit

 

[DenverR1]

..... funny that you didn't say the same thing to the numerous posters above who said people should teach their kids to respect police (which every one should imo).
You put forward good points, then turn around and, like the pot calling the kettle black, shoot
yourself in the foot.

Your post doesn't make sense to me. Why would I say that about the posters I agree with? In my opinion a good parent would teach their kids that a police officer is their friend and someone who wants to help them.

I've had my foot in my mouth, I've shot my foot, and I condemned a kettle to being black for the rest of it's filthy life, but I don't think I did in this case.

 

[Ultra]

This guy giving parenting advice.....scary.

The parental advice I am giving you is to teach your kids about there rights afforded to them by the constitution. The fact that they don’t have to submit to searches and they don’t have to answer officer questions without counsel and they do not have to self incriminate and they don’t have to cower to officer threats.
This is the same constitution that that you as an officer has surely taken a sworn oath to uphold, protect and defend. Out of anybody on this thread your kids should be the smartest on this topic, if their not you need to ask your self why?

This is also the same constitution that protects every US citizen from you.
My kids will not run from you or cower from you but they will certainly avoid you and seek you only as a last resort.

With no doubt this is certainly against your department policy but starting tomorrow, right before you bully your way into somebody’s life and your life is not in harms way, do them a favor, tell them about their rights as a US citizen. Odds are in your favor they probably won’t even know what the he11 you are talking about.

As to respect, that’s a toughie, do you really have respect or only a token showing of it? Genuine respect only comes to those that earn it! Most of you command it. It’s hollow!

 

[KFD070]

I dont like cops because most of the laws they enforce are bullshiznit anyway. And cops work for the government, which is corrupt. Writing petty traffic tickets, harrassing kids for skateboarding, enforcing unfair drug laws, entrapment, i could go on and on. How many times ive heard a cop say " I dont make the laws, i just enforce them." Your still an idiot cop. I wouldnt be a cop, because i wouldnt want to enforce laws that I didnt believe in. Same reason i wouldnt become a soldier, because i wouldnt want to fight in an unjust war, just to earn money for a corrupt government. That all cops do for the most part, is collect money for the government by writing petty tickets, and putting people in prison for drugs. I would teach my kids to avoid cops too, because everytime ive seen one , it ends up costing me money. Ive definatley had cops lie to me , and illegally search me, and try to get me to incriminate my self. Small town cops are the worst, and they have way to much authority. Fat aass Silverthorne cops dont work for shhiit. I see them all the time just hang out at the park, or rec center, stuffin their fat faces at the farmers market. Setting up their little speed traps by lake dillon. Why does the speed limit go from 45, to 50, to 55 every mile, so they can sit there and write tickets. They even write tickets to people on BICYCLES where i live. And they give 9 year old kids tickets at the skate park for not wearing helmets. They bust medical marijuana gardens, and kill the plants, even though its 100 percent legal. Ive seen the Silverthorne cops slam a drunk guys head into the pavement so hard he needed and ambulance. Cops in Denver still write tickets for marijuana, even though the City of Denver voted to legalize less than an ounce. Cops dont give a **** about people, they work for the government. Pretty much just brainwashed robot a-holes.

Okay......(LOL). Best example I've ever seen of "it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an Idiot than to open your yap and remove all doubt". Mind you, there are a few running a very close second. I can't believe some of the responses being posted here. Sure glad our Mounties aren't as bad as the Troopers!

 

[BigJake]

Are some of you that judge the Police so harshly really any better than the negative views you share of them?

 

[DenverR1]

The parental advice I am giving you is to teach your kids about there rights afforded to them by the constitution. The fact that they don’t have to submit to searches and they don’t have to answer officer questions without counsel and they do not have to self incriminate and they don’t have to cower to officer threats.
This is the same constitution that that you as an officer has surely taken a sworn oath to uphold, protect and defend. Out of anybody on this thread your kids should be the smartest on this topic, if their not you need to ask your self why?

This is also the same constitution that protects every US citizen from you.
My kids will not run from you or cower from you but they will certainly avoid you and seek you only as a last resort.

With no doubt this is certainly against your department policy but starting tomorrow, right before you bully your way into somebody’s life and your life is not in harms way, do them a favor, tell them about their rights as a US citizen. Odds are in your favor they probably won’t even know what the he11 you are talking about.

As to respect, that’s a toughie, do you really have respect or only a token showing of it? Genuine respect only comes to those that earn it! Most of you command it. It’s hollow!

I made a comment about your parenting skills hoping I would get a response like this. The fact is, you are probably a very good parent, although I don't agree with what you are teaching your kids in this aspect. Your post above shows you have every police officer written off to what you believe we all are and nothing is going to change your mind. That is ignorance. Have the police made mistakes? Absolutely. Are there cops out there on power trips? Sure. But you have it in your head that we are all out there to trick people into things and take innocent people to jail. There could be nothing further from the truth. If that were true, every person I get a crack pipe off of would be going to jail. I get absolutely no pleasure from taking a crackhead to jail because it serves no purpose. It will not change his life and taxpayers will have to pay for his stay.
So, when did I become this prick who is out to get everybody? Was it when I decided I wanted to be a cop? I hope not, I was only 3 yrs old. Was it when I actually became a cop, or did I have to have some time on? Or is it possible that I actually enjoy my job because I get to help people and take legitimately bad people to jail?
I just think it's sad that you would teach your kids to come to me only as a last resort. I love kids. Again, I don't jump to the conclusion that you're a bad parent because of this even though I feel you are wrong.
And good gosh. You think I want your kids to cower from me? One of my most recent traffic stops was on two crotch rockets that were on I-25 doing well over 100. I got behind them which took awhile, but when I hit the lights they both pulled over. I asked them, I mean bated them by asking how fast they were doing. One said, "probably 120." I laughed my a$$ off! I then offered a stern speech about speed, then let them completely off because of their respect, their integrity for pulling over when they could have left me in the dust, and for their honesty. Maybe I should have written a ticket, but chances are they are actually good kids who made a stupid choice. And now they might actually feel bad if they think of speeding like that again because a nice cop actually let them go. Maybe I was wrong.
The fact that I'm getting at is 98 percent of cops are not what you have us written off to be. You assume we are all bullies. Nobody likes a good scrap more than me, but it has to be worthy! Some of us actually like other people! Just try not to be so close minded!

and before anyone responds that I couldn't have written a ticket because I didn't have them on radar, visual estimates hold up when you leave a margin of error and are radar certified.

 

[Ultra]

I think I will start with your 98%. I googled “Corrupt Law Enforcement”, I got 2,350,000 results, with an “M”. Then I googled “Nationwide Police Brutality”, I got 108,000 results and then “Nationwide Police Misconduct” for which I received 53,900 results. I simply do not have the time to go thru all this information but I did hit a few. The statements that most articles touched on is that this problem is at alarming epidemic rates and climbing. I would find it damn hard to believe that 2% of you could create this level of a problem? Can you imagine how many more cases go unreported or are covered up, it’s mind boggling.

Additionally this clip and several more like it were not created in a void, I am sure the films producers have better things to do with their time and money if this was not such a wide spread problem. Law enforcement is clearly loosing the confidence of the American public.

But I will agree there are no doubt some damn fine cops that really do care about the good will of the general public and conduct themselves as such. Police that have a genuine concern for others and their rights, as well as their well being, but I believe those are the minority. It’s a toss-up if you will encounter one.
Sheriff Richard Mack is definitely one that all law enforcement could model themselves after. You can google him, you will get 658,000 responses, that alone says something.

You personally? I have posed the question twice before and both time a sidestep. When is the last time you have explained someone’s 4th, 5th & 6th amendments to them before questions and searches? I am still guessing zero. In fact I will go out on a limb here, I bet the training you have had does the opposite. Your training along with department policies and procedures is how, as an officer, you get around these pesky amendments.

Regarding this clip? I would like to see a similar remake of it without the drugs, as you and I know young minds are impressionable and we do not condone drug use, and made mandatory viewing at all high schools and driver education classes. But I won’t hold my breath.

 

[X2Freeride]

This guy giving parenting advice.....scary.

Where in all of what he wrote was there one thing that was morally or socially wrong?

 

[Ultra]

I had made this decision years ago, long before this clip was produced. Since then it has only become worse. I did not arrive at my conclusions uninformed and I take my parental duties and my kids safety very seriously. I anticipate my kids will teach their kids the same.
I again encourage everyone to watch this video in it's entirety, do the google searches, read through this thread then form and share your own opinions. Then decide what is best for your own family.

 

[Weekday Warrior]

Be respectful, be curtious and know your rights. The time for arguing is not on the side of the highway but in the court of law.

 

[kssnow987]

and the movie Super troopers.

Super Bad for me

 

[sled-fiend]

I will start off by saying that I have nothing but respect for the police, cops, rcmp, sheriff etc etc and do AGREE 100% that they provide a very much needed service to society! BUT I will agree that just like any other profession there is bad apples out there and knowing your rights is a good idea. I've lived in the same city almost all my life, and yes when I was 13-14-15-16 I was a punk and did get into alot of trouble (fighting, disturbing the peace, drinking in public, etc). Me and my friend group were well known to the police and for good reason. So by no means am I claiming to be a saint here. After I learned my rights a 6 or 7 years back and look back in the past I can honestly say that the amount of times my rights were violated as a youth are sickening! So now anytime an officer pulls me over for no reason or starts asking me irrelevant questions "where are you going", "who's your friend", "mind if we look inside your vehicle", "step outside the vehicle" etc etc. I say politely here is my license and registration and my day/night is going well thank you. Some times it goes well and some times it doesn't. I cant count the number of times I've been threatened with the charge of "obstruction of justice" for not answering irrelevant questions. I've had my window smashed out with batons and dragged out of my vehicle for not answering these questions in the past just to prove a point. NO I will not be charged for exercising my rights and yes if you try it will be thrown out of court upon first appearance. My solution is simple, if I feel I'm being violated I call my lawyer on his cell phone and let him listen in on the scenario with the officer aware of who is on the phone. 99% of the time this defuses the situation. I'm 26 now and have not been in any trouble with the law for over 10 years. I am the first to admit that I was a little puke when I was younger BUT I don't feel I should still be paying for it with harassment from law authority. I think pretty much everyone who has posted on this thread has their own valid points and should be respected as their own opinion. IMO teach your children their rights and teach them to respect and trust authority figures in society. If they know their rights than they will know when they are being violated and know who to trust on an individual basis.