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Wiskey7
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Twisted Turbo.
I ride a PUMP GAS M1000 Twisted Turbo, all I have to say is it rocks, Shains customer service is awesome, HP numbers who cares this sled rips, rode this last weekend with Shain,he is a straight shooter if you ask me, and that was one big Twisted flask with some good mix in it. Thanks to Shain, Lyle and Brian.
I ride a PUMP GAS M1000 Twisted Turbo, all I have to say is it rocks, Shains customer service is awesome, HP numbers who cares this sled rips, rode this last weekend with Shain,he is a straight shooter if you ask me, and that was one big Twisted flask with some good mix in it. Thanks to Shain, Lyle and Brian.
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product tester
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the cost is 6700 you need to send me your head cyclenders and your throttle bodies.
our dyno is a land and sea witch at 8.5 #s it would barely hold it back' so we are going to take it to the best dyno around after the snow melts in a few weeks I know the thing makes the power If it didnt I would not own one ethier as I am addicted to power on the snow
Why not take it to Dyno tech's dyno? An independent company...
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Snowstar
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Why is everybody so stuck on dyno numbers? We dont ride dynos, maybe we should all carry our dyno sheets to the races and shootouts then we wouldnt even have to get out of the truck to see whos the winner.
Just think of it, no more injuries, broken parts, tuning, snow conditions, and excuses, its all there in black and white.
Just think of it, no more injuries, broken parts, tuning, snow conditions, and excuses, its all there in black and white.When it comes to Pressure charged 2 strokes.
THE DYNO IS FOR DOUCHE BAGS !!
It's akin to varifing power out put on an Alan Johnson top fueler..MOOT POINT
it means nothing
Your seat of the pants,, clutch and gear loads tell you more than any water brake or eddy current dyno will ever tell you..
Sure it serves to inflate you or the customers ego , but,, If the end user is incompetent, unable to tune or just a whiney fool with a trust fund to pilfer from. ......
The big dyno number just give the fool ammo to berate the builder when he or she is to untalented to get the sled going or keep from burning it down due to their own ignorance.
Selling turbo 2 stroke set ups to the neophite is HUGE task for any builder to attempt,, being berated on this or any other site is what comes of it..
the power is there, the total is moot.
Gus
THE DYNO IS FOR DOUCHE BAGS !!
It's akin to varifing power out put on an Alan Johnson top fueler..MOOT POINT
it means nothing
Your seat of the pants,, clutch and gear loads tell you more than any water brake or eddy current dyno will ever tell you..
Sure it serves to inflate you or the customers ego , but,, If the end user is incompetent, unable to tune or just a whiney fool with a trust fund to pilfer from. ......
The big dyno number just give the fool ammo to berate the builder when he or she is to untalented to get the sled going or keep from burning it down due to their own ignorance.
Selling turbo 2 stroke set ups to the neophite is HUGE task for any builder to attempt,, being berated on this or any other site is what comes of it..
the power is there, the total is moot.
Gus
Why is everybody so stuck on dyno numbers? We dont ride dynos, maybe we should all carry our dyno sheets to the races and shootouts then we wouldnt even have to get out of the truck to see whos the winner.
Well, I agree with you and by far the best info comes from races and comparing with your buddies.
But people want to know what they buy, and a dyno test when done correctly is a way to quantify the value of your purchase.
Now on dyno runs I like to see a video with audio!!!! Tells a lot more.
Look at these to runs and make up your mind. One is a 800 IQ and the other is a T-Cat so not comparable as such, but notice how much time they use to get peak power. Look at the needle in the left window (torque). Left is rpm and Hp reads in the small digital window in the upper middle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuibyw3KqPI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cti-X4Yzz78
Enjoy!
The only thing that tells me is that the sled is loud.
I couldn't agree with snowstar and gus more!
There are so many variables when it comes to how a sled performs on the hill.
For example, I ride a 153 stock M1000, my dad rides a KK 1150, my brother rides a 141 M7 to cutler M1000.
All year, depending on the day and state of tune, one shines more than the other... Usually it is the cutler M1000, but not always... Little 141 with a-20 puts the hurt on the other 2 sleds 90% of the time in the steep and deep, not to mention other sleds... Most say the 141 can't do that... I beg to differ.
Granted, these are N/A sleds, power wise which has more power? Why doesn't the sled with the most power win everytime?
My pa's sled has the power, but either is geared too low, or not dialed in as far as clutching... In the spring, or hardpack, my stock M1000 will give them a run for there money, and sometimes beat them.
Last saturday my M1000 would walk away from my dads 1150 by 4-5 lengths... It is obvious his sled has much more power, but conditions and clutching gave my sled the edge.
Shains sleds flat rip!
I don't need a dyno to tell me they make big power... The results on the hill tell the story.
Shain rides deep pow, and huge hills and chutes... If that is the type of riding you do, you will be very happy with his kits.
If you drag race on the flats, the same set-up most likely will not give you what you want.
There are so many variables when it comes to how a sled performs on the hill.
For example, I ride a 153 stock M1000, my dad rides a KK 1150, my brother rides a 141 M7 to cutler M1000.
All year, depending on the day and state of tune, one shines more than the other... Usually it is the cutler M1000, but not always... Little 141 with a-20 puts the hurt on the other 2 sleds 90% of the time in the steep and deep, not to mention other sleds... Most say the 141 can't do that... I beg to differ.
Granted, these are N/A sleds, power wise which has more power? Why doesn't the sled with the most power win everytime?
My pa's sled has the power, but either is geared too low, or not dialed in as far as clutching... In the spring, or hardpack, my stock M1000 will give them a run for there money, and sometimes beat them.
Last saturday my M1000 would walk away from my dads 1150 by 4-5 lengths... It is obvious his sled has much more power, but conditions and clutching gave my sled the edge.
Shains sleds flat rip!
I don't need a dyno to tell me they make big power... The results on the hill tell the story.
Shain rides deep pow, and huge hills and chutes... If that is the type of riding you do, you will be very happy with his kits.
If you drag race on the flats, the same set-up most likely will not give you what you want.
Norway.
On the 800 he made a nice QUICK 4 second drag race type test.
On the t cat,, it was NO TEST, just flash's he never loads the engine and sweeps down or up. just flashes it..
that test should be pulled off you tube, I would be shamed to show that poor test to anyone..
any data from that type of missuse of a waterbrake is pointless.
Check my stats on dynotesting,, Snow Goer, 2004 truth in dynoing article done with Olav and myself. Edited by Craig Vorhees..
I worked on the Dynomite project at Land and Sea from 1992-95.
thats how we learn to operate them ,, practice.
he did a great job on the 800 twin.
Gus
On the 800 he made a nice QUICK 4 second drag race type test.
On the t cat,, it was NO TEST, just flash's he never loads the engine and sweeps down or up. just flashes it..
that test should be pulled off you tube, I would be shamed to show that poor test to anyone..
any data from that type of missuse of a waterbrake is pointless.
Check my stats on dynotesting,, Snow Goer, 2004 truth in dynoing article done with Olav and myself. Edited by Craig Vorhees..
I worked on the Dynomite project at Land and Sea from 1992-95.
thats how we learn to operate them ,, practice.
he did a great job on the 800 twin.
Gus
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product tester
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dyno tech is in ny Im in ut. 3000 miles thats why
there is a certified dyno here in ut at 6300 ft that we will go to this summer and all results will be posted like I said Im not doing dyno work to get #s they just happen to be there.
Norway.
On the 800 he made a nice QUICK 4 second drag race type test.
On the t cat,, it was NO TEST, just flash's he never loads the engine and sweeps down or up. just flashes it..
that test should be pulled off you tube, I would be shamed to show that poor test to anyone..
any data from that type of missuse of a waterbrake is pointless.
Check my stats on dynotesting,, Snow Goer, 2004 truth in dynoing article done with Olav and myself. Edited by Craig Vorhees..
I worked on the Dynomite project at Land and Sea from 1992-95.
thats how we learn to operate them ,, practice.
he did a great job on the 800 twin.
Gus
Dont agree, he holds the T-Cat steady. It's just darn quick to build power. Did you see the text in the intro? Those are a mix of wins from both sno-x and prostock. Unless you think those warm-ups were part of the test? See how he uses the mouse on the computer to start recording? Then the real power is applied. Watch between 1:55 into the movie and past 2:01. Isn't that motor holding the peak power?
I know the language makes it difficult, but try searching for PF racing/Peter Forlund and use google translator. He's put more than a decent share of riders in 1st place...
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Thats good, he knows how to tune, race and win.
He also knows how to build an engine.
He does not do a good job running a dyno.
Not by the standards of a person who was involved in the R & D of the Dyno he is using..
He does better on the twin, but there is no useful information in 1 second of load.
Drop it
its a bogus flash pull with useless data, He even must know that.
Gus
He also knows how to build an engine.
He does not do a good job running a dyno.
Not by the standards of a person who was involved in the R & D of the Dyno he is using..
He does better on the twin, but there is no useful information in 1 second of load.
Drop it
its a bogus flash pull with useless data, He even must know that.
Gus
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Rms Rydning
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The reason for that Cat to build so fast HP is more that he varms up the pipes realy vell before the pull.....
Regardless,
the computer has a max sampling rate of 200 per second. he is using the rpm WIDE step mode.
In that mode his data average for display is 40 lines per 100 to get an average.
He has 2.5 samples of data he is averaging..
not to much,,,???
still a very good engine and builder, but I now realize why many from norway tell me very very low numbers at much lower rpm than we see on the exact same engine SHIPPED to them in From Dyno's in the US.
I always though it might be in the test procedure, but leaned toward fuel differnces...
You don't have to be Dynotech Jim, to win races and build mega power engines...He is absolutey building great sleds and winning.. knows his stuff.
Gus
the computer has a max sampling rate of 200 per second. he is using the rpm WIDE step mode.
In that mode his data average for display is 40 lines per 100 to get an average.
He has 2.5 samples of data he is averaging..
not to much,,,???
still a very good engine and builder, but I now realize why many from norway tell me very very low numbers at much lower rpm than we see on the exact same engine SHIPPED to them in From Dyno's in the US.
I always though it might be in the test procedure, but leaned toward fuel differnces...
You don't have to be Dynotech Jim, to win races and build mega power engines...He is absolutey building great sleds and winning.. knows his stuff.
Gus
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Rms Rydning
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I see/know you are pretty much into Dyno stuff and designing/building 2 stroke turbo engines.Can you enlight this a little more?
How is this claims:
This is the claim from product tester:
this was a bone stock sled, then turboed the same sled and put it back on the dyno, this week so far we have seen 285hp at 4300 ft and 8.5 #s of boost at 7600 rpm our dyno will not hold more than that so in the next 2 weeks we are going to take the sled to a bigger dyno that will hold the hp.
We have been doing all this dyno work to test new fuel control we have found more power with more optumal fuel control.
He also claims +85bhp with 4,5psi boost @4300ft on a turboed M1000?
because its corrected to sea level.
Just like all corrected printed dyno outputs..
When testing at altitude,, observed Uncorrected numbers are what IS REALLY Happening..Those fiqures would be much lower..
We clutch to the engine and its real operating comditions,, Not the damn dyno room Or any damn correction ****in factor.
Gus
Just like all corrected printed dyno outputs..
When testing at altitude,, observed Uncorrected numbers are what IS REALLY Happening..Those fiqures would be much lower..
We clutch to the engine and its real operating comditions,, Not the damn dyno room Or any damn correction ****in factor.
Gus
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Rms Rydning
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This are the acual numbers.because its corrected to sea level.
Just like all corrected printed dyno outputs..
When testing at altitude,, observed Uncorrected numbers are what IS REALLY Happening..Those fiqures would be much lower..
We clutch to the engine and its real operating comditions,, Not the damn dyno room Or any damn correction ****in factor.
Gus
Dynoed at 4300ft.And in my opinion you need at least 8 psi of boost to get this on a dyno even if its was a ported/modyfied M1000 engines.
A other way to see this is if that 129 is actual and 205 is corrected hp numbers....But nobody is giving hp claims that way??
From Product tester post#30.
You are dead on the hp was 129 stock it made over 205 at 7000 rpm with 4.5#s of boost
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product tester
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neither number was corected.
Thanks man, mature...
Since I guess you dont smoke; how many wins have your 1000cc prostock engines won? Asphalt and snow? How many factory sno-x riders run your engines?
As for how PF runs his dyno I cant coment beyond stating a couple facts: he helps his racers with the whole deal, engine/clutching and more. And they win! Period! He does changes to his porting layout, checks his results with the dyno and verifies them in the field. He is close to sea level, yes. And he puts in humidity, temp and pressure.
Gus bohne: 1 second load?? Tell me he does NOT hold it from 1min 55 seconds to 2min 1 second in the clip?
And last, do you think you can teach PF a thing or two to help him shave some time of his ET's?? Really?
You think Land & Sea can really help him in his engine building??
Hold the engine steady, there is your power. Sweep up and you risk chasing behind the power never showing the max load it can hold and end up holding it 400 rpm over the power peak. Sweep down and you risk inflating your numbers by loading it to fast causing the inertia of the engine to boost the torque reading. Heck, just put a 25lb flywheel on and get a 500Hp N/A 1000cc engine??
ccpowder: sorry for the rant and derailing your thread, no more of this. Promise!
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