Twisted Turbo Pump Gas M1000

[ccpowder]

But this was a bone stock m10000 that was turboed? No port timing and porting? or other mods? Just a turbo kit and voila 85hp @ 5psi?

Where exactly are you reading that port timing wasn't changed?? Or the exhaust outlet wasn't enlarged? Or an additional set of injectors was added? Or a fuel control box was added? Or a higher rate fuel pump? Or a fuel regulator? Do any of you believe you seriously believe you just bolt on a turbo and go?? Again, ask Shain or go to the website and look at what the kit includes.

Bone stock THEN turboed. The standard Twisted kit was added. Will you argue if I tell you that the turbo is not off the shelf and Shain adds his own personal touches??

Just a turbo kit and voila 85hp @ 5psi?

Yep, just a turbo KIT.

 

[ccpowder]

Aint that a tad more than just slapping on the turbo?? Please dont flame me, I just read the ****ing post a little better... LOL.

RS

No, because this is the STANDARD Twsited Turbo Kit. The port timing mod is standard for the 1000's on this kit and many others.

I just don't understand where you guys think you can just slap on a turbo. I guess you can slap on anything, doesn't mean that it will perform correct or make the most HP.

 

[jijohans]

So now a kit is opening the motor and do a bunch of things before you ad a turbo "kit"...It's ok to ad all the aditional things, like fuel regulator and the rest of the parts, But once you open the motor and start doing things the motor is not bone stock anymore!

Well,well...

 

[ccpowder]

So now a kit is opening the motor and do a bunch of things before you ad a turbo "kit"...It's ok to ad all the aditional things, like fuel regulator and the rest of the parts, But once you open the motor and start doing things the motor is not bone stock anymore!

Well,well...

Actually, you just swap cylinders and head. And again, it was never stated that the motor was not touched. He stated the baseline sled was BONE STOCK, then the sled was turboed using a Twisted Turbo Kit.

If I said that I dynoed a BONE STOCK Ski Doo XP at 120 HP and then added a RKTek Kit and it dynoed at 170 HP. Would you assume the motor wasn't touched?? Maybe you just SLAP on some pipes??

You guys have to be related to Tetonice!!

 

[Norway]

No, because this is the STANDARD Twsited Turbo Kit. The port timing mod is standard for the 1000's on this kit and many others.

I just don't understand where you guys think you can just slap on a turbo. I guess you can slap on anything, doesn't mean that it will perform correct or make the most HP.

Because this is what most companies have been doing!! Even continue to do today. Instead of porting/boring/piping/reeds/bigger carbs/bored carbs to get more air into the engine they just put a turbo on it. Add a combo of clutching and jetting/mapping and the engine part was done.

I'm by no means up to speed on todays turbo-kits, no problem. But I'm damn sure I would have picked up on a change in the industry to have porting as a STANDARD THING TO DO WHEN TURBO CHARGING!!!

Unless you enjoy keyboard fights, just come clean right off the bat and say "no guys, a std. turbo-kit from Shain includes porting/injectors/what not".

When you say "slap a turbo on a stock engine", not many people here are gonna think porting. Just a fact.

Now lets move on. It's not that deep into the summer yet, LOL.

 

[Rms Rydning]

this was a bone stock sled, then turboed the same sled and put it back on the dyno, this week so far we have seen 285hp at 4300 ft and 8.5 #s of boost at 7600 rpm our dyno will not hold more than that so in the next 2 weeks we are going to take the sled to a bigger dyno that will hold the hp.
We have been doing all this dyno work to test new fuel control we have found more power with more optumal fuel control.

So turboed means full mod engine + turbo kit? Or what?

 

[ccpowder]

When you say "slap a turbo on a stock engine", not many people here are gonna think porting. Just a fact.

I agree, no need to continue this. But please show me where he or anyone said that they were "slapping a turbo on a stock engine?"

 

[ccpowder]

So turboed means full mod engine + turbo kit? Or what?

No, it means a kit was added. Just like Shain said "this was a bone stock sled, then turboed the same sled ". If you do a Pump Gas Turbo KIT on a Yamaha Nitro, you have to add a head shim. Is this a full mod engine now?

Anyways, you are reading into Shain's response the way you want to. He just stated what the baseline sled was and that it was then turboed. This is getting tiring argueing, because I have tried explaining how the Twisted Kit achieves these numbers, but it doesn't seem to matter. You want to continue making up things that people just didnt say.

 

[Rms Rydning]

Nope, but you could be a little better informed before you get on here calling bull****.

IF YOU READ ALL MY POST:I do not call it BULL.....anywhere.I even arguing with simple 4th grade mathematic ....Just Try to read a little less between the lines and get your self into the technical part of turboing 2 and 4 stroke engines before you embarrass yourself completly.

Its pretty uncommon even in this modern days getting the same power gains with turbo on a 165bhp base engine as we usally get from a 220bhp base engine.If this was the case Shain would easily get Patent on this and be the best in engine builder in the world for sure.So thats why we can question this.

 

[jijohans]

But you have to understand that when you say bone stock people thinks that it's like when they get it from the dealer...
Anyway, I look forward to se thoose dyno papers before and after...

 

[ccpowder]

IF YOU READ ALL MY POST:I do not call it BULL.....anywhere.I even arguing with simple 4th grade mathematic ....Just Try to read a little less between the lines and get your self into the technical part of turboing 2 and 4 stroke engines before you embarrass yourself completly.

Its pretty uncommon even in this modern days getting the same power gains with turbo on a 165bhp base engine as we usally get from a 220bhp base engine.If this was the case Shain would easily get Patent on this and be the best in engine builder in the world for sure.So thats why we can question this.

I didn't even look at the numbers and I don't even care because that is for Shain to defend. I am only defending the fact that Shain never stated that ONLY a turbo was added. If I wanted to argue the numbers, then yes, I would not bring a knife to a gun fight.

 

[mtn_extreme]

"this was a bone stock sled, then turboed the same sled ".


You guys must have nothing to do these days

The way I read this is that he took a stock sled and turbo'ed it (with a full blown mod set up or whatever) and got those numbers out of it. It is impressive to say the least and if I wanted to buy one like that, I would ask Shane how much and what was involved!

Think your all reading to much into it personally.......have a on me

 

[summit-x]

No, it means a kit was added. Just like Shain said "this was a bone stock sled, then turboed the same sled ". If you do a Pump Gas Turbo KIT on a Yamaha Nitro, you have to add a head shim. Is this a full mod engine now?

Anyways, you are reading into Shain's response the way you want to. He just stated what the baseline sled was and that it was then turboed. This is getting tiring argueing, because I have tried explaining how the Twisted Kit achieves these numbers, but it doesn't seem to matter. You want to continue making up things that people just didnt say.

i think this guy just needs to relax.. let shane do the talking.

 

[ccpowder]

I would, but he is out riding. And if ya didn't notice, I started the thread. I am just trying to let people know that this is part of the kit, not an add on.

 

[product tester]

holy I go ride for a few days and theres blood everywhere.
first I dont port the motor,I lower the port timing second every m 1000 that has one of my turbos on it has this done as it adds to it and is easy to do.
I also dont care what the rest of the world gets on there dyno as I my self do not trust dyno #s thats why I spend every week end and most of the week looking for snow ,
heres another little som som and the 1000 we have on the dyno before we turboed it we changed the port timing and ran it with out the turbo and only gained 10hp, same pipe, fuel and sled. this sled did not have the y pipe port mached.
all this stuff I found worked on the snow long before I put it on the dyno,
I am not dynoing the sled to find power I all ready now how to find that. it is on the dyno for other reasons I just happen to have to know where all these changes put things.
sorry I wasnt clear but if you didnt figgure it out yet my standard kit seems to be diffrent than the standard of the market good or bad I think good as I have done 60 sleds for aug 1 to now and as far as I know I have 60 happy customers, with 1 turbo failure and that was mine due to the end of my pipe breaking off and going through it.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

When the numbers where presented I assumed there was porting or some kind of port timing change and possibly many other tricky mods, back in October I talked to Shain and the m1000 pump gas kit isn't worth it without the porting it makes such a difference, He also mentioned many other things "tricks". But it seemed he was discovering new ways to make it better all the time. What he is doing makes sense, the only thing I wonder is if the kit will work on any sled or has to be built different on every sled. If I turbo it will be this one, but I want to know more and what kind of guarantee on customer service and hp output.

 

[bigbull]

All stable mathmatics aside, what is happening here is turbo builders are writing a "new book".

So my suggestion is don't argue a point til you see it run eh? I have seen, what should have been a minor change in porting, timing, combustion chamber, fuel controller, boost, wastegate postion, and other stuff, make major differences to the way the sled performs. Some of it is downright shocking.
BB

 

[product tester]

When the numbers where presented I assumed there was porting or some kind of port timing change and possibly many other tricky mods, back in October I talked to Shain and the m1000 pump gas kit isn't worth it without the porting it makes such a difference, He also mentioned many other things "tricks". But it seemed he was discovering new ways to make it better all the time. What he is doing makes sense, the only thing I wonder is if the kit will work on any sled or has to be built different on every sled. If I turbo it will be this one, but I want to know more and what kind of guarantee on customer service and hp output.

wyoboy I do guarantee customer service, as I believe that is the most important part.
as for the power I say ride it before you buy it I am still riding every week I have 1000 pg 1000 full race, 1200 full race, and m8 pg/full race. what do you want for power 180 to 450 take your pick. then lets ride em. and see what kind of power guarantee you need.

 

[Killerk]

When I think of a turbo kit, I think other mods beyond stock, and a minimum of head work... Whats the difference if port timing is changed?... He is not porting from what I understand.
I have been a turbo skeptic for quite a while... I have had the chance to ride a few different kits this year.
I met up with shain and had a chance to ride one of his 1000 turbos and talk with him.
I have 100% confidence in him and his customer service, not to mention his customers sled ran flawless.

I have also ran into quite a few people on the hill this year with some great running turbos, both 2 and 4 stroke.
The majority I talk to about snowest avoid this place like the swine flu!
If you don't understand, or if a post is not detailed enough, ASK THE APROPRIATE QUESTIONS!
Don't bash or put down people and their kits/knowledge.
The more this happens, the less knowledge we will have on this forum.
I have learned a lot from people on here and would like to continue to do so.
Give some of these guys including shain a break... It is not always easy to express yourself correctly on the internets so everyone completely understands.
I have no doubt that through a well thought out PM or phone call, shain and most others will answer all of your questions and take as much time as possible until you fully understand.
Mike

 

[Rms Rydning]

this was a bone stock sled, then turboed the same sled and put it back on the dyno, this week so far we have seen 285hp at 4300 ft and 8.5 #s of boost at 7600 rpm our dyno will not hold more than that so in the next 2 weeks we are going to take the sled to a bigger dyno that will hold the hp.
We have been doing all this dyno work to test new fuel control we have found more power with more optumal fuel control.

I gona re phraise my questions now.I have several buddies over here that wants to put turbos on theyr M sleds.
What is the cost and what do I need to send to you to get 285bhp@8,5psi boost@4300ft?And do I get a HP garantee if I take it to Dynotech for testing?

The other people/companys that I have been in contact with says thay need 16-17 psi @4300 ft to get that hp number or 12psi at sea level to get 280bhp.