Turbo 1200 Dyno run

[NoSecondChances]

but I have never had a single breakdown in over 40,000 miles

Can you please post a picture of your speedo? As much as I want to believe you, if you bought a new 4 stroke in 03, that's at least 8,000 miles a year you ride, at a minimum, more if its a newer sled.

Seriously, if you do have that many miles on your sled, you should write to Yamaha and see if they will give you a discount on a new sled. If its true, that's very impressive! I would love to be able to ride that many miles a year!

 

[BIG JOHN]

Im not a believer that the motor was stock. To turn over 400HP you would need to to change injectors and head compression for starters.

BJ- stock motor, stock injectors, stock compression....ONLY mods were a reinforced intake (for 20+ psi boost), and a 3 tube header feeding turbo

Does anyone know what turbo & size was being used ? Did it have an intercooler ?

BJ-Aero 66 @ 22 psi and an intercooler...

BJ, 427HP/237trq sounds like SOMEBODY is making a claim. ....Sound like Bennett Racing is into ice race'in, can't wait to here about his 427hp sled on the ice LOL

Pass the BBQ sauce, please

OT

Its 427 hp and 273 tq @ 8000-8400...the "claim" is hes going after a speed record held by a Turbo Yamaha...he only needs 75 hp match Hp/Hp...

The lakes of MN. are loaded with TApexs/TNytros...hairdryers work better down here....and as always...you think you know more than you DOO...LOL-BJ

 

[TurboT]

Guess I should have been more clear. I meant on all Yamaha sleds that I have rode. A total of 7 different sleds. I wish I could get that many on one or better yet, ride that many miles in one year. A valve readjustment has to be done on Yam's 4stroker @ 25,000 miles.

 

[BIG JOHN]

Good call Nate. Reliability and SkiDoo have never meshed. They will definately have their growing pains. At least parts should be cheaper now. This reminds me of the Phazer revolution. Hmmm...and the winner is? Big John was making a STATEMENT or else he wouldn't have thrown a thread on Yammi's forum. Guess I'll just come over here and have fun now. Wish you luck BJ, really do, you're talking a good 3-4 years before there's a dramatic difference in western riding. Hope the motor holds together, it will only make snowmobiling fun again. By then Yamaha will be leaps and bounds ahead again. New sleds in 2010. Overall it's awesome for the sport. Guess now the Yammi bros can drop some pig jokes too. I'm going to have a lot of fun if i see them in the hills LOL

Thanks TT...I know full well it will take time..HECK they dont even have a 1200 Summit...(SHR can build one if a guy wants...)...IMHO the motor wont be the problem...I like the Cummins in a Dodge joke-LOL...

I'm keeping mine short for a reason...I live and ride here too...so a 146" Renegade X is close enough for me...BJ

 

[BIG JOHN]

If the new 1200 4Tec proves to be reliable it will only help us all out. The 4 strokes really aren't all that heavy. Remember, if you can't dig it out by yourself, you shouldn't be riding it anyways! Yes, Yamaha makes a heavier sled, but I have never had a single breakdown in over 40,000 miles. Only belts, and one steering post which my friend sat on the hood and rode out. Pretty fun to watch! Yamaha has always believed in supplying its manufacturer with quality products that last for a long time. Hence, their snowmobiling reputation. Any of the big four can make a very light sled like that of the XP. Keeping it together in one piece is the hard part. I believe the Nytro has proven itself now. Yamaha engines/snowmobiles are very turbo friendly. Which means the whole sled is also. I can't wait for the 4Tec to hit the snow. No more flack about comparing 4stroke to 2stroke sleds, cheaper parts...which saves us all a ton of money, and competition again. I have to admit, BJ(which doesn't sound right so i'm going to just call him Big John) has stirred the pot and made it fun!

I never meant they didnt work well...but "by design" they are made to make high rpm hp without boost (cam timing, compression ratio, operating rpm, port shape/length etc..) were the 1200 shows its very boost friendly...GUS posted above several key reasons...BJ

BTW- BJ is fine...I got over the acrinym stereotype a long time ago...LOL

 

[TurboT]

This only helps us all. Turbo/aftermarket parts are ridiculous in price. BRP is smart to invest in the 4stroke market. I wonder what 10 years from now will look like? This is what it's all about LOL

 

[Original Tetonice]

The lakes of MN. are loaded with TApexs/TNytros...hairdryers work better down here....and as always...you think you know more than you DOO...LOL-BJ

BJ- turbo's or non-turbo's, 4 strokes or 2 stroke, Cummins or Dura-Max all motors (aircraft motors excluded) will always run better at sea-level or just above, air density being the #1 HP robbing issue. What do i know

OT

 

[Original Tetonice]

IMHO the motor wont be the problem...I like the Cummins in a Dodge joke-LOL...

BJ- In April we were driving back to wyo, in my 2004 1 ton cummins with 115,000 miles. when just outside of Oklahoma city i lost boost but still had power, AAA towed us off the hwy and to a Dodge dealer. At the Dodge dealer the turbo had gone bad as suspected and will need replaced. $2K later we were on the road and just 300 miles and west of Salina KS heading toward Denver when the same problem happened again......Since it was 10:30 PM AAA towed the truck to the nearest Dodge dealer in Salina KS. The next morning i called the 2nd dealership and as suspected the 2nd turbo had gone bad however this time pieces of the impeller got sucked in through the intake and blew up the engine.

No joke i had my teenage boys with me and one of my boys commented that this cummins was like a skidoo. LOL.... In fact many cummins owners who use there trucks like trucks should be used will tell you that after 100K LOOK OUT !!!!


TurboT- The only buzz will be in camp skidoo. the technology as far as boosting a snowmobile is concerned in 4 stroke or 2 stroke has already been established right down to the fuel controllers, 02 sensors, clutching, drivers , inter coolers, guage pods, air pods, exhaust mods, injectors, head shim kits, cam kits, turbo piston kits and desired track hardness.....heck if a guy want there's an outfit in utah that will install 2 aerochargers on your sled if you really feel the need.

About the only place it might create some excitement will be at the race track....And along the way those consumers that want to spend 6K plus can own a turbo as well. By the way don't buy into the hype that you can own a turbo for $2999.00.... Your going to need gauges to manage and support the turbo, your going to need clutching you might add a BOV They like to say you can run pump fuel if you trust it. Most guy's with that kind of investment choose to run 50% race fuel as insurance for there mod sled investment. You don't see very many big bore mods running straight pump fuel do you ? Why than would you run 15# of boost on pump fuel.

What do i know,

OT

 

[Original Tetonice]

This only helps us all. Turbo/aftermarket parts are ridiculous in price. BRP is smart to invest in the 4stroke market. I wonder what 10 years from now will look like? This is what it's all about LOL

4 stroke part & service work is more expensive than 2 stroke parts and service work. BRP's multi-million dollar parts buisness just got richer and BRP dealers and there service departments will be billing out more labor hrs. to consumers for 4 stroke parts and service.

what do i know,

OT

 

[Reeb]

4 stroke part & service work is more expensive than 2 stroke parts and service work. BRP's multi-million dollar parts buisness just got richer and BRP dealers and there service departments will be billing out more labor hrs. to consumers for 4 stroke parts and service.

what do i know,

OT

OT I hope your wrong. We're busy enough already! haha

 

[Original Tetonice]

Reed you guys can probably do a 2 stroke top end blind folded. Im not sure that will ever be the case with 4 strokes.

based on what yamaha service is on there 4 stroke dirt bikes and sleds service billing is higher. The upside is these motors don't have near the hick-ups ( so they say). However, and im sure you know that tings happen and the service bays always seem full with repair work.

Reeb $100.00 for oil & filter change on a 4 stroke sled is reasonable....Cost of BRP oil & filter and 1 hour labor.

OT

 

[BIG JOHN]

BJ- In April we were driving back to wyo, in my 2004 1 ton cummins with 115,000 miles. when just outside of Oklahoma city i lost boost but still had power, AAA towed us off the hwy and to a Dodge dealer. At the Dodge dealer the turbo had gone bad as suspected and will need replaced. $2K later we were on the road and just 300 miles and west of Salina KS heading toward Denver when the same problem happened again......Since it was 10:30 PM AAA towed the truck to the nearest Dodge dealer in Salina KS. The next morning i called the 2nd dealership and as suspected the 2nd turbo had gone bad however this time pieces of the impeller got sucked in through the intake and blew up the engine.

No joke i had my teenage boys with me and one of my boys commented that this cummins was like a skidoo. LOL.... In fact many cummins owners who use there trucks like trucks should be used will tell you that after 100K LOOK OUT !!!!


TurboT- The only buzz will be in camp skidoo. the technology as far as boosting a snowmobile is concerned in 4 stroke or 2 stroke has already been established right down to the fuel controllers, 02 sensors, clutching, drivers , inter coolers, guage pods, air pods, exhaust mods, injectors, head shim kits, cam kits, turbo piston kits and desired track hardness.....heck if a guy want there's an outfit in utah that will install 2 aerochargers on your sled if you really feel the need.

About the only place it might create some excitement will be at the race track....And along the way those consumers that want to spend 6K plus can own a turbo as well. By the way don't buy into the hype that you can own a turbo for $2999.00.... Your going to need gauges to manage and support the turbo, your going to need clutching you might add a BOV They like to say you can run pump fuel if you trust it. Most guy's with that kind of investment choose to run 50% race fuel as insurance for there mod sled investment. You don't see very many big bore mods running straight pump fuel do you ? Why than would you run 15# of boost on pump fuel.

What do i know,

OT

The Holset turbo on your Cummins is made by the millions...the chance of them going bad is realistic....IMHO the second one could have been mechanic related..pretty sure there are MORE running than not....even with over 100K...

The Full Power Stage 1 kit is $2999...gauges are extra...but your still up and running for UNDER $4 large even with a few options...

BTW- SKI-DOO sells the MOST sleds...so by simple percentages....they will show the most failures...

There I go explaining things for you again...BJ

edited for mis-type..

 

[hatchers]

BJ- turbo's or non-turbo's, 4 strokes or 2 stroke, Cummins or Dura-Max all motors (aircraft motors excluded) will always run better at sea-level or just above, air density being the #1 HP robbing issue. What do i know

OT

what about "below sea leval"?...once again the john madden of the sled forums speaks him wisdumb

 

[steveo10]

MCX turbo kit puts out 240HP. Will thats a good start

 

[Original Tetonice]

The Holset turbo on your Cummins is made by the millions...the chance of them going bad is realistic....IMHO the second one could have been mechanic related..pretty sure there are MORE running than not....even with over 100K...

The Full Power Stage 1 kit is $2999...gauges are extra...but your still up and running for UNDER $3 large even with a few options...

BTW- SKI-DOO sells the MOST sleds...so by simple percentages....they will show the most failures...

There I go explaining things for you again...BJ

BJ, either it's to hot in MN, or you had to much 4th of july moonshine, or you have'nt been around boost very much .......Anyway $2999.00 will get the kit to your door step MAYBE!!!!, the most experianced turbo guy's take at least 20 hrs for installation , setup and than your Up And Running.

Having a turbo kit installed by someone with turbo installation expeiance will be the key. 1st timers are all on the learning curve and trying to setup your 1st fuel controler alone will take some time and patience. $1200.00 is what a typical turbo professionally installed will cost, your also going to need a complete clutch kit so add another $350.00 I highly recommend the Shockwave secondary for the turbo 4 stroke application it's a real winner on yammies and there available for skidoo as well. cheap auto meter boost gauge $45.00, 02 sensor 350.00, water temp gauge $175.00, heat tape price-less

$5000.00 to $6000.00 +/- is what you can expect to pay to be up and running is more realistic.

BTW Skidoo sells the most so they have the highest failure, Yah Right !!!! BJ- Did you read that somewhere in BRP's disclaimer ?

OT

 

[cog]

OT, the thin air is getting to you, have you even seen a new BRP sled let alone drove one, get real for once and wait until they hit the snow and give experienced advice not conjecture. As for price, you on an inside track or just going by what a Yamaha sled cost to set up.

 

[BIG JOHN]

BJ, either it's to hot in MN, or you had to much 4th of july moonshine, or you have'nt been around boost very much .......Anyway $2999.00 will get the kit to your door step MAYBE!!!!, the most experianced turbo guy's take at least 20 hrs for installation , setup and than your Up And Running.

Having a turbo kit installed by someone with turbo installation expeiance will be the key. 1st timers are all on the learning curve and trying to setup your 1st fuel controler alone will take some time and patience. $1200.00 is what a typical turbo professionally installed will cost, your also going to need a complete clutch kit so add another $350.00 I highly recommend the Shockwave secondary for the turbo 4 stroke application it's a real winner on yammies and there available for skidoo as well. cheap auto meter boost gauge $45.00, 02 sensor 350.00, water temp gauge $175.00, heat tape price-less

$5000.00 to $6000.00 +/- is what you can expect to pay to be up and running is more realistic.

BTW Skidoo sells the most so they have the highest failure, Yah Right !!!! BJ- Did you read that somewhere in BRP's disclaimer ?

OT

A) I did mis-type..the stage 1 Full power kit is $2999 (includes everything, even fueling for 200+ hp on 87 octane) and you will up and running with gauges/clutching/install for under $4000...I plan on incorperating the shockwave into all QRS equiped sleds...

B) install time is quoted at 4-5 hours

C) The first one I install/tune will be mine

D) You obviously failed math in 5th grade...what brand might "show" more failures?? couldnt POSSIBLY be the one that has the MOST sleds on the snow?? and the BEST one is the one with the LEAST amount of sleds on the snow...BJ

 

[Original Tetonice]

A) I did mis-type..the stage 1 Full power kit is $2999 (includes everything, even fueling for 200+ hp on 87 octane) and you will up and running with gauges/clutching/install for under $4000...I plan on incorperating the shockwave into all QRS equiped sleds...

B) install time is quoted at 4-5 hours

C) The first one I install/tune will be mine

D) You obviously failed math in 5th grade...what brand might "show" more failures?? couldnt POSSIBLY be the one that has the MOST sleds on the snow?? and the BEST one is the one with the LEAST amount of sleds on the snow...BJ

LOL, BJ you won't be able to do it for 4K either, you'll go broke trying.

BJ- 4 to 5 hours to install a turbo ? Are you saying if the sled is at the shop at 8am and the wrench takes a 1/2 hour break for lunch i could be riding a boosted sled by either 12:30pm or 1:30pm the very same day ? No Phuuging Chance BJ it takes most shop wrenches 1 hour just to drain the anti-freeze and pull the clutches from the sled LOL.......4 stroke Yammies, or 2 stroke Poo's & Cats that get a turbo install all take approx 20 hrs to complete the install correctly. Been there done that on 4 personal boosted sleds. Skidoo's turbo intall time will be know differant than any other brand of turbo'd sled turn key.

There you go again BJ making excusses for Skidoo. How many belts does a skidoo owner have to go through in 1 season has nothing to do with how many sled's skidoo sells.

You might also want to find out what the "header material" is made of...Cheap kits come with cheap headers. And cheap headers all crack from fatigue within 1 riding season. A good header that does not fatigue and crack will cost$1800.00 to $2000.00 and typically is standard in a higher quality turbo kit....Pay now or pay later when it comes to boosting a hotrod.

BJ - I'll give you an extra 1 hour if you can press on a set of Avids as well.

OT

 

[Original Tetonice]

OT, the thin air is getting to you, have you even seen a new BRP sled let alone drove one, get real for once and wait until they hit the snow and give experienced advice not conjecture. As for price, you on an inside track or just going by what a Yamaha sled cost to set up.

Cog where have you been ? didn't you know that since the fall of 2004 i've been a top secert employee of BRP ? True story man they have been paying me da bucks for years to test and over seee there "agent yellow" snow vehical program. And the out come of the effort of the entire team has been a consumer friendly 4 stroke that meets the demand of the marketplace as well as maintains BRP's compliance with EPA industry standards. So to answer your question YES.

As for conjecture, perhaps BJ will see that either now or later he will find out what it really takes and costs to install and setup your high performance turbo sled correctly so when your at his shop at 12:30 pm to pic up your boosted sled he or his wrench won't have to explain to you that in 4 hours they barely have the stock plumbing out of the way and still need to prep the sled before the turbo can be installed.....And than all the electrical work will need done so the gauges can work will take another 3 to 4 hours by the time the guage pod is mounted and we've protected all the wires with heat tape.

This isn't Nintendo, you just can't plug in & play.

OT

 

[Ron]

OT what happened to your XP love affair?