Supertorquer 'Central Roller Mass' Swing Arms

[tollen77]

i think you guys missed the point, with the balancing act less
force is exerted in the swing pin and so more is left to do shifting,
not necesserly needed more weight to do job, more weight ends up in
the ramp % wise
mr mike, northern alberta

Exactly Mike, less force is wasted in trying to yank the arm out off its base and this previously wasted force is transferred to the roller to push on the ramp.

It sounds like a bunch of hocus pocus but it's just physics.

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

seriously it is, its simple highschool physics, and its also the reason im going to be drilling out my freakin 80 gram factory DOO arms for the 1000. say i take out 20 grams halfway up, +20 gram pinweight. should run almost identical to stock for RPM, just better reaction.

With a little time on the drill and mill i could hack the factory arms down QUITE a bit, just need to make sure I dont get carried away.

 

[ABDOO799]

if you remove 20 gms in middle don't add
more than 10gms on top, more reaction
further away
mr. mike northern alberta

 

[DaveB]

Do the heel clickers gradually rotate into position or do they kind of slam into position once they pass a certian point?

The heel doesn't move.

 

[Original Tetonice]

It's fixed and doesn't move at all. .....Just couldn't resist

OT

 

[Original Tetonice]

I better explain before another 18 pages of cluster nutz get started......."The factory Clicker is removed". LOL

OT

 

[baD-MAX]

The blue primary spring provided in the supertorquer kit is also a beast with a heavy finish to keep the belt sqweezed tight at higher rpms.


O.T. , Could you please explain this quote???

...MAX

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

im pretty sure it was a secondary spring, otherwise i dont even wanna know what on earth is going on.

 

[snowrdr]

im pretty sure it was a secondary spring, otherwise i dont even wanna know what on earth is going on.

No change required on the secondary spring with these arms. Had to change the primary spring to a blue spring then on and on and on.

Have to admit kind of fun watching the debate. All I can say is that if I wasted my money well thats not the first time I have done something stupid. But if it works then the debate rolls on!!

 

[tollen77]

The heel doesn't move.

Alright, so clearly I'm confused... is there not an arm out there that has some kind of rotating weight that engages at higher RPM's??? If not, I must have dreamed something up.

 

[BIG JOHN]

OK...LOL at OT as usual..."stiffer spring = more squeeze"... JELLO your way out of that one...

OK- as for the new HC arms they are COMPLETELY different than the any other arm..the ramp/roller position is COMPLETELY different than stock or a adj arm kit aka thunder shift ,team etc... (same arm length, same ramp as stock, just adjustable across the arm= gains but NOT the same)...

The NEW center roller arm has 1 key advantage over everything else..weight added PAST the roller...

NOW I havent tested these yet...or even seen them in person (just read the article) BUT this is the first real "adjustable" arm that can mimick a load without weighing alot...

time will tell..I'm sure I will buy a set and test..for now I'm good..have enough on my plate...cheers-BJ

 

[Original Tetonice]

BJ, tell us what a "stiffer primary spring" does if it does not sqweeze the belt ? This shoud be good folks and will probably take BJ 18 pages of reading through his dance & stutter

The blue spring included in the Supertorquer kit is a whooping 185/360 = sqweezing the belt. I think the stiffest Doo spring available from the factory has a 410 finish

BJ, have you got your Turbo out of the garage yet or are you still trackstand tuning ?

I've got a kit coming to test against my other adjustables

OT

 

[Original Tetonice]

OK...LOL at OT as usual..."stiffer spring = more squeeze"... JELLO your way out of that one...

OK- as for the new HC arms they are COMPLETELY different than the any other arm..the ramp/roller position is COMPLETELY different than stock or a adj arm kit aka thunder shift ,team etc... (same arm length, same ramp as stock, just adjustable across the arm= gains but NOT the same)...

The NEW center roller arm has 1 key advantage over everything else..weight added PAST the roller...

NOW I havent tested these yet...or even seen them in person (just read the article) BUT this is the first real "adjustable" arm that can mimick a load without weighing alot...

time will tell..I'm sure I will buy a set and test..for now I'm good..have enough on my plate...cheers-BJ

By the way the ramp are very flat similar to his ramps with the original HC ramps which were also very flat.

Can't wait to here why a stiffer spring does not = sqweeze the belt LOL

OT

 

[tollen77]

By the way the ramp are very flat similar to his ramps with the original HC ramps which were also very flat.

Can't wait to here why a stiffer spring does not = sqweeze the belt LOL

OT

OT,

A stiffer primary spring reduces clamping forces.

A stiffer secondary spring increases clamping forces.

 

[tollen77]

BJ, tell us what a "stiffer primary spring" does if it does not sqweeze the belt ? This shoud be good folks and will probably take BJ 18 pages of reading through his dance & stutter

OT

...

 

[newtrout]

BJ, tell us what a "stiffer primary spring" does if it does not sqweeze the belt ? This shoud be good folks and will probably take BJ 18 pages of reading through his dance & stutter

The blue spring included in the Supertorquer kit is a whooping 185/360 = sqweezing the belt. I think the stiffest Doo spring available from the factory has a 410 finish

OT

Sigh........

 

[geniefixer]

Spring in the primary has more to do with engagement rpm than anything else. Once you have over come the force of the spring then the weight of the arm is what squeezes the belt. f=M x speed squared.

 

[sledsrock]

OT,

A stiffer primary spring reduces clamping forces.

A stiffer secondary spring increases clamping forces.

Exactly!

The arm/roller weight generates the belt squeeze, the spring opposes the arm/roller weight (centrifical force).

 

[snowrdr]

By the way the ramp are very flat similar to his ramps with the original HC ramps which were also very flat.

Can't wait to here why a stiffer spring does not = sqweeze the belt LOL

OT

Hmm, not sure what to say here about the ramps. By no means are these ramps flat. Let me put a picture back into play for you to see. The ramps on this system are as steep of a ramp as I have ever seen.

 

[baD-MAX]

snowrdr, looks like the ramp is flat, compared to the belly you see commonly on oem ramps. Seems very flat towards the end especially. Put an oem ramp next to it and compare.

O.T., you are like jeckle and hyde, some things it appears as if you have clue, the rest is just B.S. and jello.