Supertorquer 'Central Roller Mass' Swing Arms

[Original Tetonice]

Effects Of Spring Construction.........

Whats the differance between Drive Spring part #415-015-400 160/260 & Driven Spring part # 210185 160/260 ??


OT

 

[Grover]

Effects Of Spring Construction.........

Whats the differance between Drive Spring part #415-015-400 160/260 & Driven Spring part # 210185 160/260 ??


OT

Easy

In simple terms(OT still won't get it)

The primary spring holds "open" the clutch and the force works against it to close it

The secondary spring holds the clutch together and does provide a force inconjuction with the helix as it opens

Take the spring out of the primary and it falls together and just the opposite with the secondary goes open, as we know you've never done yourself. Maybe standing over the shoulder of who is has you thinking backwards......

Also remember the proper term is "force" whereas inital or final and "rate" is the change of force in that distance

You can work with ignorance but you can't fix dumb...........

 

[Grover]

Heres aliitle something for some of you Hens to chew on.....

Effects Of The Drive Pulley Spring...Quotes from Skidoo Race Manual section 5page 8.

As the clutch shifts out to higher ratios, the drive spring balances the shift force generated by the levers and ramps. The spring tension will effect the entire shifting sequence of the engine pulley. The effect the spring has will depend upon the construction of the spring.

When the engine pulley is in its highest ratio position the spring will be compressed. The pressure the spring applies will determine the RPM required to reach higher gear ratios.

Bottom line folks the primary spring sqweezes the belt.

OT

Does NOT!! Where in that statement does it say that? Uncross your eyes! Mom did say you'd go blind doin' that!!!!

Is this it for your proof??? "The pressure the spring applies will determine the RPM required to reach higher gear ratios."

Because the spring is acting "against" the arm weight to control shift for proper rpms.

OT quote: "Bottom line folks the primary spring sqweezes the belt." Maybe you forgot one or few words there my friend, I'll fix it for you....

"Bottom line folks the primary spring helps the belt from being sqweezed "uncontrollably"."

OT

Hope that helps you out of this jam.........er JELLO(lol)

Thanks again for the

-Grover

 

[baD-MAX]

I started a new thread for this 'sqweeze' subject. C'mon O.T. post ideas on the other thread.

Sorry Snowrdr, I know better than to get OT started on something off subject.

...MAX

 

[Grover]

is there a way that the admins can block OT from posting on threads that have clutch in the title?? seriously dude, how do you get a sled to even run with the things you say??

He has nowhere else to go so this is it, his last stand per say......... when he got banned from DT!!!


With a little help from some "friends".........(he he he)

-Grover

 

[sledsrock]

Exactly!

The arm/roller weight generates the belt squeeze, the spring opposes the arm/roller weight (centrifical force).

OT,

I really hope you're not referring to me as the Goofball, if so you need to learn how to read, we already know you need to learn how to understand, this isn't that hard to grasp.

 

[Insaneboltrounder/sjohns]

Heres aliitle something for some of you Hens to chew on.....

Effects Of The Drive Pulley Spring...Quotes from Skidoo Race Manual section 5page 8.

As the clutch shifts out to higher ratios, the drive spring balances the shift force generated by the levers and ramps. The spring tension will effect the entire shifting sequence of the engine pulley. The effect the spring has will depend upon the construction of the spring.

When the engine pulley is in its highest ratio position the spring will be compressed. The pressure the spring applies will determine the RPM required to reach higher gear ratios.

Bottom line folks the primary spring sqweezes the belt.

OT

Holy fawkk...... a new low in here. Im guessing a truck spring squeezes the truck to the ground too. Unreal

 

[skierh2o]

Heres aliitle something for some of you Hens to chew on.....

Effects Of The Drive Pulley Spring...Quotes from Skidoo Race Manual section 5page 8.

As the clutch shifts out to higher ratios, the drive spring balances the shift force generated by the levers and ramps. The spring tension will effect the entire shifting sequence of the engine pulley. The effect the spring has will depend upon the construction of the spring.

When the engine pulley is in its highest ratio position the spring will be compressed. The pressure the spring applies will determine the RPM required to reach higher gear ratios.

Bottom line folks the primary spring sqweezes the belt.

OT

OT please be clear with the public and don't try to spin the truth with what you think!

FACT the primary spring in a TRA clutch does not squeeze the belt!

FACT the primary spring controls the rate at which the weighted lever arms swing out to their full throw.

FACT the weighted lever arms push through via the rollers to the ramps which then in turn PUSH THE PRIMARY SHEAVES TOGETHER (closed).

The spring never squeezes the belt and is always trying to PUSH the sheaves open to its most rested position!!!

 

[Original Tetonice]

Scenario, Your climbing a real steep slope your TRA is at 8150 peak rpm and the track is creep up the steep, steep slope at very slow trackspeed. (which often is the case in the mountains out west.... What keeps the rpm at 8150 and the track creeping along under this type of loads ?

A. The primary arm/roller
B. The primary ramp
C. The primary spring
D. All the above

OT

 

[Grover]

OT

What keeps that mush attached to your shoulders????

Easy answer again.

Primary is properly adjusted with the helix controlling the load for correct rpms.

Keep throwing those softballs..........

=Grover

 

[Wheel House Motorsports]

the spring keeps the RPM at 8150 by keeping the weights at a certain location, and not overloading the engine.

you know it, we know it, belt still doesnt get squeezed by spring..... ot, please, try and run the clutch without a spring and see if it squeezes belt, wow, thats weird, it still works.

If you take it off the weights, see how she runs, please report back OT, tell me how she runs.

 

[snowrdr]

I started a new thread for this 'sqweeze' subject. C'mon O.T. post ideas on the other thread.

Sorry Snowrdr, I know better than to get OT started on something off subject.

...MAX

Max,

No issue on my part.

 

[snowrdr]

Hey Snowrdr,

I brought up the centri***al force formula a little bit back in a different thread... unfortunately to mixed results. IMO it's a great way to better approximate the weight you should be runnning for a given ramp profile.

I've got a little experiment for you, if you've got some time on your hands. Pull your primary off and make some black marks on the face of your new ramps. Throw the thing back on and go for a run (when you have the snow of course). The marker will be rubbed off (like when you use one on the clutch sheave) and it will tell you the highest point your new arms are pushing on the ramp. Measure the max radius of your arms from the center of your primary and you should be able to calculate the amount of force applied to the ramp.

I'll do the same with my regular ramps and arms and we shoudl have a nice little comparison.


PS - I've spent over 10 pages arguing clutching with OT. Believe me guys, you're wasting your breathe.

I will do that! Just added today some pin weight to my wifes 600 SDI today after I installed a Straightline pipe and can. And hopefully I will stop whining about NO SNOW about a week from now

 

[tollen77]

I will do that! Just added today some pin weight to my wifes 600 SDI today after I installed a Straightline pipe and can. And hopefully I will stop whining about NO SNOW about a week from now

Just a thought; we're gonna need a picture of your ramp profile and my ramp profile at the given clicker to calculate the force vector and figure out how much of the arm force is actually being directed on the 'x' plane (ie: moving the sheaves together rather than trying to push the ramp perpendicularly through the clutch housing.)

 

[snowrdr]

Sending you a PM

 

[banditpowdercoat]

GREAT another thread that OT screwed up

 

[Original Tetonice]

GREAT another thread that OT screwed up

I here you went to the flea market today to sell all you primary springs

OT

 

[banditpowdercoat]

Not everyone is as smart as us, or at least if we are dumb have lots of experience to guide us.

OT does have a use though. He isn't smart and doesn't remember his experience, so in that regard he does represent at least half the people out there. With OT posting on here at least we can get all the questions from that half of the population raised by one fellow. So it is important to remember OT is not alone.

I've met people that believe the spring is what pushes the primary together. You would swear they are kidding, until they open their mouth again.

OMG ROFLMAO thats the best laugh Ive had all day

 

[banditpowdercoat]

I here you went to the flea market today to sell all you primary springs

OT

I had to, they just were not squeezing the belt like you say they were supposed to. So, off to the dealer, I'll but more and try them I guess.........

 

[shortstop20]

Take the arms out of your TRA OT, does the sled move? You say the spring squeezes the belt, if it squeezes the belt the sled will move.

Just add this one to the OT collection:

Primary spring squeezes the belt.
TRA ramps move
Trackstand tuning
Boost at idle

Next year I'm guessing we'll hear something along the lines that the earth's rotation spins your track.