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Deep Powder Guy
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Some thing tells me were not hearing the whole story....Cops just don't write tickets without a reason.
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Deep Powder Guy
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Dude you got a ticket because you were going over the speed limit....it has nothing to do with how the flow of traffic is moving....1 cop in 1 cop car can't pull over the entire flow of traffic....You had no idea of the speed limit ? Hilarious
Right, not implying he just wrote one up, I (all traffic) was going the same speed. Apparently it was 73. This is a flow of traffic issue. My point is in line with how/why some tickets are issued.
Dude you got a ticket because you were going over the speed limit....it has nothing to do with how the flow of traffic is moving....1 cop in 1 cop car can't pull over the entire flow of traffic....You had no idea of the speed limit ? Hilarious
Oh I know why I got a ticket. The car next to me or in front of me could have been the ones getting it. I also know I was the unlucky one, or lucky, depending what side is speaking. I'm not crying over it I'm pointing out that the discression of the officers at times can come under fire. I could have been that jacka$$ going 60 causing a bottleneck too. I wouldn't, but......
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skidoorulz
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Let me see if I have this straight before #100. You were on a 3 lane freeway traveling with a group of cars running 60 or slightly over? When as always happens that group saw a cop and started slowing down even though they were only going about 60. Correct? In front of the group you were in was another group that was going a lot faster? So you decided you were going to get out of your group that was doing less than 60 and possibly run with the other group. Correct? So you pull into the fast lane and run 73MPH in a 60 zone, and I assume you are behind all the others that were running over the speed limit? Knowing there was a HP ahead, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?
Any HP will tell you when confronted by several cars all speeding in a somewhat group, in order to not create somewhat of a hazard while pursuing, the HP will not pull the first speeder in the group over he will pull over the last one, How much is the ticket? Here 13 over would be about 200 dollars
Any HP will tell you when confronted by several cars all speeding in a somewhat group, in order to not create somewhat of a hazard while pursuing, the HP will not pull the first speeder in the group over he will pull over the last one, How much is the ticket? Here 13 over would be about 200 dollars
Most don't. But the ones that do make all law enforcement look bad. Just like the PLP with the louda$$ bmp/mbrp/jaws silencer makes all snowmobilers look bad.
Case in point: back in 2006 there was a group of about 20 of us (18-35 years old) made a Memorial Day trip out to a Natl Park by Moab UT for a weekend of camping an fourwheeling. Got out there an was havin a good ol time. Bout midnight were all sittin around the campfire shootin the breeze when two Rangers pull up to the campsite. spotlight shined straight on all of us. One ranger eases out passenger door an hides behind it (think turret style) the driver does the same only half in half out the truck. Then he starts talking in the MEGAPHONE (were 15 yards away, perfectly calm night, 75 degrees out) an starts asking us questions about where we r from an what we r doing an do we have any weapons yada yada. Meanwhile were all crappin bricks cause its obvious the passenger side guy has his smokewagon already drawn but holding it just behind the door outta view.
After about 5 minutes of the megaphone, they decide its safe to come out from the truck doors an talk to us. They walk around the lot asking everybody various questions (serious attitude nose in the air). Keep asking us how much alcohol weve had while they nudge/kick our coolers open an closed (we're an alcohol free crowd, only had pepsi mt dew gatorade an water)
LSS, theyre pissed cause they cant find any violations ( i think they wanted to catch underage drinking). So then they ask us where our porta-sh!tter is. So i show em my five gallon bucket with lid in the back of my truck (i was savvy to the porta-sh!tter rule). He asks everyone else where theirs is. One other guy has one. They were both empty cause we had just got to the park about 6 hours before an nobody had had to crap yet (although i dont think everyone knew that rule till this point in time). So for now the rangers quit talking porta-sh!tter and start asking about four wheeler tracks that go all over our campsite.
Now keep in mind the sites r not staked out. It just gradually goes from bare dirt to sagebrush and what is technically the "trail and campsite" versus "the wilderness" is highly debatable. At this precise moment, ALL 15-20 quads are clearly parked on the trail, while Smokies truck is clearly surrounded by sagebrush aka "wilderness" b/c our quads were blocking the trail coming into our site.
But Tuff Guy keeps askin whos quad tracks are going all over the "wilderness area" (my definition: edge of the campsite, dead piece of sage every 10-15 feet from previous campers, and the rest just dirt). Meanwhile nobody is volunteering their tracks (cause we honestly dont know and its sandy, tracks unrecognizable). I mentioned to the Ranger that its possible they were already there. He looked at me like I'm nuts an didnt reply.
So they go back to their truck with all of our id cards. Then start calling us over 1 at a time. They give a citation to the owner of every quad for "operating in wilderness area" and to every person for not having a porta-****ter. Including me, b/c my 5er wasnt a "certified" john.
They end the consultation with a 5 minute rant about how its their job to preserve the parks and thats all they're trying to do (meanwhile their truck still parked in the sagebrush). Then they leave. Bout an hour start to finish.
Now i suppose they thought they were doing their job. An some of u might think so too. U might even think thats good for young punks like me, teach us a lesson an all, so we can be good contributing members of society. If in doubt, punish em. Itll just make em stronger/better/wiser.
I dont see it that way. I see it as those bastards just had a preconceived notion that we were criminals and they had to stick us for something. Combine that with the fact that we were all from outta state made us easy targets. They think we dont have the resources to travel cross country to argue our case in court so they just go with the method of slap out as many tickets as possible an keep on moving. Well guess what, yours truly doesnt take this sh!+ laying down. I made it a point (like i always do) to make the trek out there and get it overturned in court. If i had the resouces that i do now, i would have countersued the effin park ranger.
Sadly, nobody else in the crew had the time/resouces to fight their citations. So they just paid the tickets and thats that. But i tell ya, everyone of em has a burning hatred for park rangers. And naturally that hatred just gets spread to all other law enforcement.
The Rangers coulda took a lot different approach in this whole deal. One that mighta actually earned them some respect. And got some civilians to understand their point of view. But they chose not to. They chose to just "write the ticket and let the court settle it". They took advantage of us, on purpose.
Now how am i sposed to make a case to my buddies that law enforcement is good after this? U cant. They hate em an I dont blame em. They have every right too. In fact the rangers deserve it.
P.S. I've gotten 5+ citations outta state. Ive fought an won every one of em. Most people cant do that though, so they just live with that buuuuurrrrning hatred in their heart. Eight years later i bet them same rangers are still out there making enemies.
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Let me see if I have this straight before #100. You were on a 3 lane freeway traveling with a group of cars running 60 or slightly over? When as always happens that group saw a cop and started slowing down even though they were only going about 60. Correct? In front of the group you were in was another group that was going a lot faster? So you decided you were going to get out of your group that was doing less than 60 and possibly run with the other group. Correct? So you pull into the fast lane and run 73MPH in a 60 zone, and I assume you are behind all the others that were running over the speed limit? Knowing there was a HP ahead, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?
No not quite what I said or was trying to explain. The whole freeway was doing the same speed. Probably about 70 +/-. I was in the middle lane. All traffic gradually slowed-I slowed. It wasn't until after the HP or darn near right next to him i signaled to the left lane. At that point all traffic was slightly less than 60. So WHAT I WAS THINKING, was I'll maintain this speed instead of less than 60.
Ticket is $113
here is the the problem people are not perfect either civilians or police, but if a police car slides off the road in bad weather or on slick roads nothing could have been done and it was just a unavoidable accident most likely a citation would never be issued. but if you slide off in the same conditions you will be ticketed be cause you were distracted,speeding , careless, etc. also if you are driving done the road and a police man starts following you do you feel safer,if you are followed long enough you will make some sort of mistake that you could be ticketed for because most people make mistakes. this is the problem with relations with the two sides here.
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skidoorulz
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OK got it. But WHAT WERE YOU THINKING???? You separated yourself from the group. Haven't you ever watched Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom? Always, the one who gets separated from the pack gets eaten.
I'm sorry I am just trying to make that ticket less painful. I definitely hate it when every idiot on the road drives 5 under when they see an HP. I pass em all alsoHAHA!!!!! This thread is still going. I've been riding. The snow must really suck where you guys are
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Jeff800
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He "served" a ticket to "protect " his job.
HAHA!!!!! This thread is still going. I've been riding. The snow must really suck where you guys are
It is certainly nothing to brag about. We are still riding and I have almost 500 miles this season but, I could really use a powder day to ease the tension
I agree with the notion that we have more than one set of rules. Lots of evidence to support that. Letting fellow cops off for speeding? Really? I bet I have several times the amount of professional drivers training than 99% of cops but I don't get a pass. I know a volunteer FFighter that has "FIRE" in red on the fenders of his truck. He was stopped for speeding 10-15 over and let go. The cop told him he should make the words FIRE more visible on his truck. He told him never would have stopped him had he seen the word sooner. This guy has NO training beyond a CDL, certainly none driving fast in traffic in a 7000 lb pick-up. Just another symptom of the problem. When they do use discretion, they screw that up too, in typical government fashion.
The attitude seems to have changed over the years from being helpful and forgiving most of them time to "equal and fair" enforcement of all of the laws. If that doesn't scare you, it certainly should because it is not likely to be fair or equal. This is where most of us become law breakers in one form or another. Maybe you water your lawn on the wrong day. In many, many places, Johnny law can cite you for something so stupid, and they do. If you cops insist on being black and white, there will likely come a day of reckoning, history dictates it. People in general, but especially in what used to be a much more free country, will eventually turn the tables and hopefully return to some sanity. In the past it has often gone very badly for the guy on the front line, the tax man, the cop.
If I were a cop I would read this whole mess and have to take a look in the mirror. You DO have a choice on how you conduct yourself. You DO have the power to change how you operate, one officer at a time. Failing to do anything but tow the line never really works out well. Doing the right thing is rarely the easy choice, which has contributed greatly to the problems we have today.
I have to admit, I like how our county dept rolls. If you check the police reports in the paper weekly, like I do, you see that they rarely write a speeding ticket. They note traffic contacts but almost always issue warnings. The Sheriff is much more likely to want to have a discussion than to collect revenue. Yes, he is a politician and as far as I am concerned, giving the people the kind of respectful law enforcement they deserve. So, I know it can be done. Hiding behind the party line is pathetic, stand up for what is truly right. Think about how you would like to be treated if the tables were turned. Instead, we are treated with attitude, like criminals for petty BS. Realize that it is your behavior that has caused people to desire to choose sides. Realize that you are in danger of ending up on the wrong side of it with the attitudes you have espoused here.
Now, looking forward to a couple of days of riding
Ummm yeapHAHA!!!!! This thread is still going. I've been riding. The snow must really suck where you guys are
I now fully believe that CO doesn't even believe the crap he is spewing! From now on he will be referred to as Miley Cyrus. Neither one has anything productive to contribute, they just try to one up themselves with over-the-top absurdity in an attempt to gain a little bit of attention.
"Fair and equal" sounds like a horrible world that I for one want no part of! Society in general would be much better off if all laws were arbitrarily enforced! Perhaps the rules should be different based on gender? Ethnicity? The day of the week?
Where is the Line drawn? If you get something stolen it is it only a crime worth investigating if you've used that item within the last week, month ,if it's valued over $100? It sure would not make sense to have equal and fair laws that say if you take something that is not yours it's a crime... if you go through a red light regardless of who you are you get a ticket... And since speeding/speeding tickets is something nearly everybody can relate to (including me, while employed in this profession ) where is that line drawn? If you are a very experienced nearly professional driver like Miley Cyrus is it okay for you to drive 20 over? But yet your neighbor whose only half as experienced can only speed by 7 mph over? Maybe if it's an attractive young lady who bats her eyes and is wearing a low-cut shirt it's okay for her to do anything and everything? But if it's a bald overweight minority male Who due to a language barrier does not converse with the officer and comes off as unfriendly… Perhaps he should go to jail? It sure would suck to live in a world where both of those are treated equally and fairly. There should not be a speed LIMIT anyways… it's just a suggestion that should be arbitrarily enforced based on unknown variables according to Miley. The speed LIMIT itself was probably just an arbitrary number that someone (with no education, no statistics to base a prudent decision on) made up, after all The speed limit was made up by the evil government! The evil legislators that Miley voted for.
On a similar note, Miley had previously asserted that speed was not ONE of the MANY contributing factors that could lead to a traffic accident... there are several government entities with far less education, commonsense and experience than Miley (NHTSA NTSB) Who disagree.
Speed does not lower a drivers reaction time, I personally find it ridiculous that a higher speed would cause a driver to travel a further distance during the same reaction time In the name that is all fair and equal, there is no way that could ever cause a traffic accident. What would those government entities know anyways… All government agencies are made up of over paid under educated clowns.
Let's pretend for a moment that speed does not potentially cause accidents… I'm sure in Miley's world physics don't exist either. There's no way that speed would increase the severity of an accident… no way that a vehicle traveling 10, 15, 20 miles over the posted speed limit would cause more damage if involved in an accident then a vehicle traveling the speed limit.
I am very glad that Mileys sheriff(Who is voted into office and relies on the popular vote to retain employment) takes such great care of the citizens of Mayberry. I say that actually with sincerity. I grew up in Mayberry, actually smaller than Mayberry my K – 12 school was 37 miles away, my graduating class had seven people in it. I will agree that law-enforcement when I was a kid was tremendously different. That being said so where the criminals, and for that matter so where the citizens! There wasn't the millennial mentality, and people took accountability the funny thing is it's usually those who cry the loudest for leniency cry even louder when they are the victim and want justice. I too remember the day when it was acceptable to give somebody a ride home and a stern lecture as opposed to taking him to jail. Ever heard of give them an inch and they'll take a mile? What happens when you give that same guy a ride home and he continues to take advantage of what he feels is him being above the law. Then next time you don't find him in time to give them a ride home and he wrecks killing an innocent family? Maybe Miley is suggesting we have no laws whatsoever and give everybody warnings? If that's not the case I have to imagine that the unlucky person that happens to get arrested or get a ticket is probably going to think it's overly unjust that they got the ticket and someone doing the exact same thing did not.
Had Miley not stated his approximate age I would have picked him closer to the twentysomething entitled elitist millennial age group. "I know we are in a drought, but I want to water on a non water day so my lawn looks pristine". "I know it says no parking, but I'm in a hurry and I really need to park closer so I can get my errands done faster". "I know it was a stop sign but I'm in a hurry and there was nobody coming, and I looked both ways so I didn't have to stop". The list goes on and on and Miley has shown he knows nothing about accountability.
Miley had questioned a previous poster with regard to facts/statistics. I went back and looked, and I could've missed it… But I did not see one fact nor one statistic supporting the Mileys arguments. I only saw a bunch of obviously biased opinions being spewed and attempts of personal attacks if you did not agree with Miley Hmmmm.....?
And in closing Miley had mentioned that if my job was so difficult perhaps I should reevaluate… I for one have never said that my job is difficult, and in fact this is a vacation compared to my previous employment… In my job in The city where I work now there's a much smaller percent of the population Who finds it fun to shoot at me and my Colleagues. And when they do shoot at us most of them can't shoot straight, and are shooting POS guns they have found or stolen. Much easier than a country full of crazy militants armed with fully automatic weapons.
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It's currently 45° on the mountain with blazing sunshine… So yes the snow does suck that much!
It's currently 45° on the mountain with blazing sunshine… So yes the snow does suck that much!
That you for again posting up exactly who you are and what you believe. No freedom, no discretion, the government rules are infallible. You have bought into it hook line and sinker, you are without a doubt a threat to everybody's freedom.
Sorry I do not follow pop culture as much as you, the Miley Cyrus thing just doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe I need to pick up a People magazine to read while collecting revenue from productive citizens... oh wait, that's your job. Know wonder you are so well versed.
If you really think you are on to something by not treating people as differently as they are, you are crazy. One set of hard fast rules will never work, never has. Your iron fist idea fails every time. Dumbing everything and everybody down to the lowest common denominator isn't going to fly for much longer either. You are asking us to give up more and more freedoms, you clearly support the plan and acknowledge that this new plan isn't the same as the old plan, that actually worked. That is as crazy as making a Miley Cyrus rant on a sled forum. Good Luck with both.
Sorry I do not follow pop culture as much as you, the Miley Cyrus thing just doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe I need to pick up a People magazine to read while collecting revenue from productive citizens... oh wait, that's your job. Know wonder you are so well versed.
If you really think you are on to something by not treating people as differently as they are, you are crazy. One set of hard fast rules will never work, never has. Your iron fist idea fails every time. Dumbing everything and everybody down to the lowest common denominator isn't going to fly for much longer either. You are asking us to give up more and more freedoms, you clearly support the plan and acknowledge that this new plan isn't the same as the old plan, that actually worked. That is as crazy as making a Miley Cyrus rant on a sled forum. Good Luck with both.
Yep the old plan worked so well. We gave you an inch and you're trying to take a mile. It worked in making you an entitled whiner. Like I said accountability, look in to it. Don't acknowledge the validity of any opposing opinion... But do assert that police officers are bullies while you continue attempting to disparage those who disagree with you and try to force your will upon them!
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skidoorulz
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Almost up to 100
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skidoorulz
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That's it. It's over for me. I think CO should be thanking five O for defending his right to spew his garbage.
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