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Socialism 101

Mountain-powder-slut,I believe you failed to coherently read my statement thoroughly. Maybe if you were able to remain calm and think objectively you would get my point. I wasn’t putting words in your mouth; I was interpreting your words. Hence, my comment about your words being misleading, be more precise.

Laws and rules are the foundation of suppression. Unfortunately we live in a cruel and unforgiving world. Laws are required for a free society to remain within accepted social norms. The founding fathers made the constitution as a guideline to follow. The parallels between the conditions and factors that existed in the past to those that exist today are still present. However, our ability to help each other as a society has changed dramatically. The key is finding the right balance. This is where the debate begins and political parties, ideologies, and personal agendas get thrown in the mix.

Political perspectives require people to sacrifice personal interests, economic or otherwise, for the sake of other people's interests or rights. People assent to such obligations not because they "work" for their personal interests – or not only for that reason – but because they believe it's morally beneficial or required.

Right now the “pendulum” I was referring to is on the “left” side and will continue doing so until Obama leaves office as he thinks the constitution is just a piece of paper:mad:. As I said before, some of us don't/won't like the direction but it can only happen IAW the "Will of the People". When enough of us don't like the direction, it will change.

I wouldn’t call our President and representatives evil as they are just doing what the majority elected them to do. But I can’t wait until the “pendulum” starts moving right again!! :D

I agree with you that socialism and communism are suppressive and downright evil. And thanks for protecting this country!!!!:beer;

I appreciate your view and yes I did read your statement coherently. Why do you think I am not calm? I don't like that assumption. I can be passionate about a topic and be calm.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying here. Yes the key is finding the right balance. I see your point about laws and rules being the foundation of oppression. I agree with you to a point like I have already stated. Many laws and rules are oppressive. We have allowed our government to make rules and laws that are oppressive. Our founding fathers did not want to see this. I don't think the Constitution is oppressive, do you? It protects freedoms, liberties, and rights. That is what I mean. I am all for protecting the rights and liberties of others....not suppressive laws. I want to protect the right of a child and stop sexual molestation if I know it is happening. Laws against sexual molesters, those that do harm to others, etc are not suppresive in my opinion. They protect the god given rights of human beings.

I understand where you are coming from, do you understand where I am coming from?

I am confused....you say the founding fathers drafted the Constitution as a guideline.....then you say Mr. Obama thinks the Constitution is just a piece of paper....well it is just a piece of paper if it is just a guideline. It is much more than that in my opinion. It is the foundation of this nation. To me it is the gospel of this nation.

We are obviously on the same team here....with some minor philosophical differences. Laws in this country are supposed to protect our rights, not protect the interest of big government and suppress its citizens....yes, that is happening now and it is happening more and more. The laws of this land are supposed to ensure that we are not suppressed and protect our rights...not give criminals, nor bureaucracy, nor special interest, nor Al Gore, etc, etc power over the people of this United States.

I appreciate your opinions, but I am convinced Obama is an evil man and I am convinced many lefties are also. I have studied many of their backgrounds extensively.

Thanks for saying thank you....a soldier always appreciates that! :beer;

cheers thomps33.....or someone's alter! ;)
 
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Please take my advice, and you too will find peace with this hectic and chaotic world.


God bess and take care,

snow fox
 
I have read the book, and it told me that you sir are a loser. Please take my advice and if you put as much effort into bettering yourself and looking for a job as what you spend on this site you will be successful and happy in no time.

Again, May Peace Be With You.

If you knew the purpose behind my being here you would choke on your words.. u know what, your a waste of my time.. a bigger waste than you feel this website is..
 
Please take my advice, and you too will find peace with this hectic and chaotic world.


God bess and take care,

snow fox
awwww, good ole snow fox, back to his douchie ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good to see you again jackazz!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Oooh, I stepped on somebody big's toes:

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Socialism 101 05-27-2009 01:01 PM I'll debate how I choose, Free country and all.

Glad to see I can piss people off too.

Thought everyone here claimed to be honest and sign their red rep....
 
Please take my advice, and you too will find peace with this hectic and chaotic world.


God bess and take care,

snow fox

What in the world is going on with you? I can agree this place can be too much at times and people loss their tempers...but that is life not SW. You don't seem to be at peace right now bro.

Let me tell you where I am coming from. I do contact my legislatures very often...the good it does....nothing. They still vote their self serving agenda. I do prepare my food storage and ammo. However, fouled plug is an outlet for me at times. I know I can come on here and talk about my frustrations. It helps me release them.....not in a bad way....I know I have conservative brothers on here that see eye to eye with me. I can do without a lot of the libby viewpoint on here...I hear enough liberal BS. I thought you were one of those conservative friends. Are you not still a conservative friend of mine? I find comfort on here also because there are is such a vast amount of conservatives on here...hell we snowmobile! Do you understand? It is an outlet for me....and to hear the words of other conservative friends' helps fuel my fight! In a sense, I have a conservative support group on here.

As for the rep thread...it is just stupid fun (again a relaxation outlet)....do I take it serious? haha Hell no!!!! If there are people that do....God help them!

I have always liked you snow fox....but this was not the right approach. You came off condescending and self righteous...I have made that mistake many times in my life. It is something I try to be very aware of when I go about my life.

I still consider you a friend, even though I don't like what just happened. :beer;
 
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I think it's sad that some people can't discern between real life and participating in a forum. I agree, if your self worth is determined by your reputation or how many people respond to your posts, you've got some deep, deep issues to deal with.

If I looked at it that way, I'd be totally depressed. MOST of my posts end a thread. :)

Carry on, but please stop with the name-calling. I'd hate to have to lock yet another thread.

Darrin
 
Yea, this is (was) a pretty good debate about the merrits of capitalism vs socialism.

A sharing of ideas and points of view.
Simple.

(side note, get a load of Darth's post count)
 
People sure do like to turn things personal and make it into a battle here!:D good entertainment!
When the #@*& guy compaired the servicemen of my country to living in socialism I lost it...Sorry.

I've got no use for Ruffy anymore. He's a Friggen %#&%# @*&$% # and is a huge part of the problem in this country.


I had to remove the names I called Ruffy so as not to get this thread locked.
 
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When the P.O.S compaired the servicemen of my country to living in socialism I lost it...Sorry.

I've got no use for Ruffy anymore. He's a nutcase whackjob and is a huge part of the problem in this country.

I don't know.
I like to get nutcase whackjobs point of view on things.
Lets me know where they are coming from and how to go about combating it.
 
I think it's sad that some people can't discern between real life and participating in a forum. I agree, if your self worth is determined by your reputation or how many people respond to your posts, you've got some deep, deep issues to deal with.

If I looked at it that way, I'd be totally depressed. MOST of my posts end a thread. :)

Carry on, but please stop with the name-calling. I'd hate to have to lock yet another thread.

Darrin

Ha, I haven't posted on here in months. Good to see that I sill got "IT".


See you boys on the other side!!!

Snow Fox
 
I think it's sad that some people can't discern between real life and participating in a forum. I agree, if your self worth is determined by your reputation or how many people respond to your posts, you've got some deep, deep issues to deal with.

If I looked at it that way, I'd be totally depressed. MOST of my posts end a thread. :)

Carry on, but please stop with the name-calling. I'd hate to have to lock yet another thread.

Darrin
Oh C'mon Darrin, We all tend to take pride in our rep count or post count or whatever...
Even you :D...
:eek:Posts: 2,147,483,684 :eek:
 
Oooh, I stepped on somebody big's toes:

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Glad to see I can piss people off too.

Thought everyone here claimed to be honest and sign their red rep....

you're not alone Idcatman

"Socialism 101 05-27-2009 11:56 AM Queer"

Guess some liberal queer was too bashful to sign their rep. Glad I don't sway their way!:p
 
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