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Socialism 101

Wow very interesting thread. As a political history major many moons ago in university I think this debate has gone on for years and still most people miss the jist of it. Name me one case where socialism has worked for any population, anywhere, anytime. Never has a socialist govt worked in a democratic state no matter which case you want to refer to. To remove the carrot at the end of the democratic stick is totally rubbish.
The self serving lazy people who embrace socialism are not grounded in fact and are totally ignorant of history. As humans we tend to want all the benefits of affluence and are not willing to make the sacrifices needed to accomplish this. The socialists who are attempting to run this continent are only ignorant and too lazy to better their own lot in life and expect that wealth and prosperity will magically fall from the sky.
The pioneers who laid the foundation of freedom for the citizens of this continent all made sacrifices and risked everything they had to create a wonderful world without the feudal trappings of the countries of origin they emigrated from. This continent was founded on hard work and sacrifice. The socialist movement is the most hypocritical think tank in the world. Change for no other reason than change itself is always a step backwards.
People who are willing to risk personal assets and take risks to better themselves need to have a reward for their efforts. Socialism removes the motivation from people and does not account for some of the most basic instincts of any human. Also history tells us that the only 2 remedies for economic turmoil as we are in now is war or prudent fiscal management. No other logical method exists and none ever will. History can be a great teacher as we tend to want to learn the lessons of our forefathers the hard way again and again.
For the first time in many years we have a fiscally responsible govt in my country and check out the value of our currency is today and look in 3 more months. Parity will happen this year the way the govt is devaluing your $. BTW he is failing miserably at every financial hurdle.
Good luck with that socialism idea, try Hugo Chavez on that 1 and ask the average Venezuelan what they think of socialism. Rant over will check back for the usual lame excuses. My conservative bros. will prevail as they always do!
 
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Wow very interesting thread. As a political history major many moons ago in university I think this debate has gone on for years and still most people miss the jist of it. Name me one case where socialism has worked for any population, anywhere, anytime. Never has a socialist govt worked in a democratic state no matter which case you want to refer to. To remove the carrot at the end of the democratic stick is totally rubbish.
The self serving lazy people who embrace socialism are not grounded in fact and are totally ignorant of history. As humans we tend to want all the benefits of affluence and are not willing to make the sacrifices needed to accomplish this. The socialists who are attempting to run this continent are only ignorant and too lazy to better their own lot in life and expect that wealth and prosperity will magically fall from the sky.
The pioneers who laid the foundation of freedom for the citizens of this continent all made sacrifices and risked everything they had to create a wonderful world without the feudal trappings of the countries of origin they emigrated from. This continent was founded on hard work and sacrifice. The socialist movement is the most hypocritical think tank in the world. Change for no other reason than change itself is always a step backwards.
People who are willing to risk personal assets and take risks to better themselves need to have a reward for their efforts. Socialism removes the motivation from people and does not account for some of the most basic instincts of any human. Also history tells us that the only 2 remedies for economic turmoil as we are in now is war or prudent fiscal management. No other logical method exists and none ever will. History can be a great teacher as we tend to want to learn the lessons of our forefathers the hard way again and again.
For the first time in many years we have a fiscally responsible govt in my country and check out the value of our currency is today and look in 3 more months. Parity will happen this year the way the govt is devaluing your $. BTW he is failing miserably at every financial hurdle.
Good luck with that socialism idea, try Hugo Chavez on that 1 and ask the average Venezuelan what they think of socialism. Rant over will check back for the usual lame excuses. My conservative bros. will prevail as they always do!

Damn Grizz good post!!! I couldn't of said it better myself!:beer;:beer;
 
you're not alone Idcatman

"Socialism 101 05-27-2009 11:56 AM Queer"

Guess some liberal queer was too bashful to sign their rep. Glad I don't sway their way!:p


Don't think mine was from a "liberal queer" though, I'm pretty sure it was one of the people bashing the liberals...

Either way, a pretty poor excuse for an insult.

And really, I agree with the vast majority of what Mr. Adams up there said. It is also what a lot of you have been saying for the last few pages here, I just disagree with the way most of you go about saying it.
 
Don't think mine was from a "liberal queer" though, I'm pretty sure it was one of the people bashing the liberals...

Either way, a pretty poor excuse for an insult.

not me....you would have gotten a heck of lot more red than 60k if it was
 
BTW I've only delivered 2 red reps ever and the recipients know why and from who. No one on this thread is worthy of red IMO! Is not democracy cool?
 
Probably would have had it signed too :D Either way, not worried about it, not like anybody really thinks it matters anyway.

Anyway, someone get this back on topic.
Will do...
So yes, capitalism is better then socialism. Capitalism motivates people better then socialism.
My question to Grizz. If socialism removes motivation, what would you say about the motivations of societies that have no form of economic / government policy? Are they not motivated to live life?
Do humans need governments and money to motivate themselves? Is the motivation that capitalism creates only good, or does it cause harm also?
 
Probably would have had it signed too :D Either way, not worried about it, not like anybody really thinks it matters anyway.

Anyway, someone get this back on topic.

ya I would have signed it....and ya lets do get back on topic....Socialism sucks A$$!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I say it is evil! Any form of government that suppresses people is EVIL! Any form of government that takes from a hard earned man and gives to a lazy piece of chit (i.e. inner city piece of chit thugs) is EVIL!!!! A racist president that believes that minorities of this country deserve just as much as everyone else simply because of their race is EVIL!!!! And you cannot deny the truth of that! Those are straight from Mr. Obama's mouth! Read his POS book! I got nauseated when I read it! I wanted to vomit!

We have always taken care of our own without the help of the government! Yes, good people that have fallen on bad times need a hand at times. Americans have always risen to that without the mandating of government. Welfare has become a huge parasite on this nation! We are going to destroy ourselves from within...kind of like a black hole in the middle of the country...it will suck everything until it is gone!

I am tired of the political correctness in this country. I don't give a rat's a$$ who I offend anymore! Millions of people have died to preserve this country's freedoms! Not to let the government take them from us! I will be damned if let this country go that route and if it does it will be over my dead body!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama reminds me of Dr. Evil..Austin Powers..
"Our early attempts at a tractor beam went through several preparations. Preparations A through G were a complete failure. But now, ladies and gentlemen, we finally have a working tractor beam, which we shall call... Preparation H."
hahaha
Austin_Powers_Mike_Myers_as_Dr_Evil.jpg

Completely off topic...on with the Socialism!!!:cool:
 
Obama reminds me of Dr. Evil..Austin Powers..
"Our early attempts at a tractor beam went through several preparations. Preparations A through G were a complete failure. But now, ladies and gentlemen, we finally have a working tractor beam, which we shall call... Preparation H."
hahaha
Austin_Powers_Mike_Myers_as_Dr_Evil.jpg

Completely off topic...on with the Socialism!!!:cool:

haha....atta girl! :beer;:beer;
 
Will do...
So yes, capitalism is better then socialism. Capitalism motivates people better then socialism.
My question to Grizz. If socialism removes motivation, what would you say about the motivations of societies that have no form of economic / government policy? Are they not motivated to live life?
Do humans need governments and money to motivate themselves? Is the motivation that capitalism creates only good, or does it cause harm also?

Ruffy the devils advocate thing is wearing thin. If you think those societies are so great without economic policies then get off the computer and go put on your tarzan outfit and find a tree and swing away! Offer some enlightened ideals on the subject that are based on reality as we on this continent know it. Governments are not the problem, rather the ones who want to reward laziness and impede initiative are. This is not about living life but the lack of merit in a socialist society.
 
Offer some enlightened ideals on the subject that are based on reality as we on this continent know it. .

I was trying too... maybe the question phrased this way is better?

Are peoples motivations in ones life only financial?

If no,

Why when you take those financial motivations away, are all other motivations removed also?

Is that better?
 
Will do...
So yes, capitalism is better then socialism. Capitalism motivates people better then socialism.
My question to Grizz. If socialism removes motivation, what would you say about the motivations of societies that have no form of economic / government policy? Are they not motivated to live life?
Do humans need governments and money to motivate themselves? Is the motivation that capitalism creates only good, or does it cause harm also?
and what societies are those???????? most societies, even the ones living in the middle of the jungle, have some form of economy. be it how many horses you have, how many children you have, or even who's got the most feather's from a certain bird!!!!!!!! they still use those symbols and objects for trade and power!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I was trying too... maybe the question phrased this way is better?

Are peoples motivations in ones life only financial?

If no,

Why when you take those financial motivations away, are all other motivations removed also?

Is that better?

Questions do not equal enlightened ideals! Offer a sound idea or play with the devil! JMO.
 
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