Pro vs Etec (part 2)

[Slick]

Sorry folks, I figured i wanted to answer crfred's comment on post # 75 so i had to do it here. Fred i think its absolutely fitting that you referred to my comments regarding fredw. In most cases i believe you could substitute your name and his on most posts and no one would notice. Always the same "Doo for President " BS ,even when the rest of the world is actually seeing firsthand every day that the comparison is actually quite close between the two, biggest difference being rider style and preference. I'm not pot stirring, just sick of your Doo drivel. And I actually like the sled, imagine what the 4m members think that don't like it.

 

[AKSNOWRIDER]

what i find funny is a lot of peeps(including doo riders,cat riders, yamaha riders and poo riders) have come on here after riding on/with/around the 11 sleds and many have stated...the poo was best on this day in this snow...yet a handful of guys still say no way...cant come close, cant compare/ cant even ride in the same area code vrs our brand loyal sled....sure..on any given day any given sled can be top dog..but there is just too many peeps out there saying..yep the pro is getting it done....i understand you like what you ride....we all do(well...almost anyway)...but give it a rest with my sled cant be beat..that sled cant come near mine..just because I dont think it can..either prove you have a bone stock sled, and vid it against a pro bone stock in a fair competition out on the hill and post the results here for all to see(and I mean bone stock as the manufacter shipped it with nothing more then factory aproved clutching changes for elevation) or keep quiet on here....

 

[Insaneboltrounder/sjohns]

It's not just the doo guys. Shall dig up the post by th moron who said the xps couldn't even make it up , while poaching his pro tracks. And to top it off , his pro was only spinning 7700 yet it made the xp look like a 440.
I asked a major sled shop who makes parts for all three brand 800s. And he owns all three. According to him. The pro is in second place.

 

[AKSNOWRIDER]

It's not just the doo guys. Shall dig up the post by th moron who said the xps couldn't even make it up , while poaching his pro tracks. And to top it off , his pro was only spinning 7700 yet it made the xp look like a 440.
I asked a major sled shop who makes parts for all three brand 800s. And he owns all three. According to him. The pro is in second place.

I saw that post..i didnt believe it either..as for what a shop thinks..I dont know..seems to me alot of them stand to profit from their opinions..I have put my pro on the hill against a new e-tec..rode them both back and forth all day..I know how mine compares....i will give you that the etec is a great sled..if i owned one first thing I would do is put a P-85 and team tied on it..doo clutching is a joke...other then that..t=dang good sled..and with good clutching..it would be right with the pro ..but the way it came from the factory..not a chance unless you got dang lucky with the guy who put the clutches togeather on your sled....

 

[snowmobiler]

im still waiting to see a video of this new 15? or whatever less hp sled spanking a etec summit over and over on a steep hill
because it wasnt very close to my old stock clutched 09.

 

[fredw]

so i have to ask since you drove them both and the cluching was off on the etec, what was it doing that made you feel it was off...

from what i have seen, all stock etecs have ran great with the stock cluching, and still do even after breakin, not saying it could not be better, but still not bad

the only time i seen the stock cluching need more weight is once after market stuff has been added, i had to add 7 grams and a lighter spring, to get it in the range i wanted, took a whole 30 minutes...

i ran the p85 back in the 670cc days, and they ran good, but still had to play with weights till they were dialed in, but the p85 was very durable over the trs, but now running a yearly maintence on the trs, and have the quick clickers, it works good as well and offers quicker small adjustment

I saw that post..i didnt believe it either..as for what a shop thinks..I dont know..seems to me alot of them stand to profit from their opinions..I have put my pro on the hill against a new e-tec..rode them both back and forth all day..I know how mine compares....i will give you that the etec is a great sled..if i owned one first thing I would do is put a P-85 and team tied on it..doo clutching is a joke...other then that..t=dang good sled..and with good clutching..it would be right with the pro ..but the way it came from the factory..not a chance unless you got dang lucky with the guy who put the clutches togeather on your sled....

 

[WyoPro]

so i have to ask since you drove them both and the cluching was off on the etec, what was it doing that made you feel it was off...

from what i have seen, all stock etecs have ran great with the stock cluching, and still do even after breakin, not saying it could not be better, but still not bad

the only time i seen the stock cluching need more weight is once after market stuff has been added, i had to add 7 grams and a lighter spring, to get it in the range i wanted, took a whole 30 minutes...

i ran the p85 back in the 670cc days, and they ran good, but still had to play with weights till they were dialed in, but the p85 was very durable over the trs, but now running a yearly maintence on the trs, and have the quick clickers, it works good as well and offers quicker small adjustment

Only been around a couple new E-Tecs that I have ridden with personally and their clutching is not good out of the box. (This is at 9-12k) Both were only hitting around 7600-7700 rpm....those 3-400 rpm would make a world of difference. This is also the reason somebody could post a video and I couldn't give a sh!t because most don't take the time and don't have the basic knowledge to have their sled running well.

 

[fredw]

do you understand then that if they took the open end wrench out of their tool chest that comes with the sled, and adjust clickers from three to four(about a 5 minute job with a beer) that they would be back at the 8000 rpm

how does this make the entire trs a bad clutch, a bit sad to say the least

 

[AKSNOWRIDER]

so i have to ask since you drove them both and the cluching was off on the etec, what was it doing that made you feel it was off...

from what i have seen, all stock etecs have ran great with the stock cluching, and still do even after breakin, not saying it could not be better, but still not bad

the only time i seen the stock cluching need more weight is once after market stuff has been added, i had to add 7 grams and a lighter spring, to get it in the range i wanted, took a whole 30 minutes...

i ran the p85 back in the 670cc days, and they ran good, but still had to play with weights till they were dialed in, but the p85 was very durable over the trs, but now running a yearly maintence on the trs, and have the quick clickers, it works good as well and offers quicker small adjustment

well second climb the guy took it ate a belt..he spent 20-30 minutes on the side of the hill cutting it out and getting a new one on it..after 2 climbs the clutches were too hot to touch...sorry fred..the etec couldnt come close on that day...clutching was junk..and ask anyone who deals with doo clutching and they will agree..stock doo clutching is junk....you keep going into this..the etec has more dyno hp so the pro cant compete...sorry..doesnt work that way..pretty obvious that the pro has a better combo going then the doo..its putting what hp it makes to the ground better then the doo..simple physics...I dont have any issue with the etec..(well except for the clutching), they are a great sled, they climb good, they sidehill so much better then the 08-10 xp's did and they seem to be well built..but bone stock for bone stock for the 2011 model year..the pro is getting it done on the hill more often then not...thats just the facts that show in the real world day after day...its easy to prove too..go drive by your local poo,cat and doo dealers...tell each one you want to buy their best 155 or 163 mountain 800 sled....I bet you cant find a pro...but you will find both cats and doos....

 

[jasonrev]

WOW! A lot of keyboard highmarking going on in this thread!

 

[fredw]

so your saying because the belt was so hot that it was a clutching issue, and this was the culprit because of the primary, i think if you run over to the doo fourm it has been proven over and over that lack of cooling is the culprit rather than any other

if your not smart enought to put no air vents in, remove foam, cut some plastic, then this will be your outcome, and this goes for your pros as well(common sense item)
ask any dealer

i have over 600 miles on stock belt and no issues, just like the other guys i ride with, once again the stock cluching is just fine for us

as for the etecs sidehilling, i personally do not like the narrow front end and made my more similar to the 08 xps, i drove a dragon once last year and could not wait to give it back, felt very unstable, similar to the stock etec

well second climb the guy took it ate a belt..he spent 20-30 minutes on the side of the hill cutting it out and getting a new one on it..after 2 climbs the clutches were too hot to touch...sorry fred..the etec couldnt come close on that day...clutching was junk..and ask anyone who deals with doo clutching and they will agree..stock doo clutching is junk....you keep going into this..the etec has more dyno hp so the pro cant compete...sorry..doesnt work that way..pretty obvious that the pro has a better combo going then the doo..its putting what hp it makes to the ground better then the doo..simple physics...I dont have any issue with the etec..(well except for the clutching), they are a great sled, they climb good, they sidehill so much better then the 08-10 xp's did and they seem to be well built..but bone stock for bone stock for the 2011 model year..the pro is getting it done on the hill more often then not...thats just the facts that show in the real world day after day...its easy to prove too..go drive by your local poo,cat and doo dealers...tell each one you want to buy their best 155 or 163 mountain 800 sled....I bet you cant find a pro...but you will find both cats and doos....

 

[AKSNOWRIDER]

so your saying because the belt was so hot that it was a clutching issue, and this was the culprit because of the primary, i think if you run over to the doo fourm it has been proven over and over that lack of cooling is the culprit rather than any other

if your not smart enought to put no air vents in, remove foam, cut some plastic, then this will be your outcome, and this goes for your pros as well(common sense item)
ask any dealer

i have over 600 miles on stock belt and no issues, just like the other guys i ride with, once again the stock cluching is just fine for us

as for the etecs sidehilling, i personally do not like the narrow front end and made my more similar to the 08 xps, i drove a dragon once last year and could not wait to give it back, felt very unstable, similar to the stock etec

Sorry Fred, but I am done with it...I promise I can clutch a sled.., spent most of my life competeing at 1 thing or another..sledding is all for fun for me..have no interest in having/being the best..just wanna enjoy the country, the peeps, and the good times that come with our sport...I ride all the sleds, and let any who wish ride mine...just tired of the 1/2 dozen of you die hard brand loyals that keep bashing other brands day after day...especially when so many of all walks/brands tell such a different yet consistent story on here about how the current sleds compare..good luck...ride safe..enjoy your sled

 

[Norway]

if your not smart enought to put no air vents in, remove foam, cut some plastic, then this will be your outcome, and this goes for your pros as well(common sense item)
ask any dealer

i have over 600 miles on stock belt and no issues, just like the other guys i ride with, once again the stock cluching is just fine for us

Huh? I ride my pro all stock eccept for some heavier weights to get r's correct.
No vents yet and no problems!

I'll happily admit I'm a Polaris guy, sure, but I can promise you if my brand spanking new $25K sled (Norway, dont even ask..) ate belts I would be down my dealers throat HARD!

Vents my a$$. I might put them on but then to improve a stocker, not to make it work in the first place.

Ride safe.

RS

 

[snowmobiler]

the more hp the more heat a engine puts off

 

[treemagnet03]

snowmobiler-

Must be an engineer? Perhaps a degree in physics? Fact is, heat is wasted energy. Energy that was not used to create forward movement. Due to things like friction from rubbing parts. So you can have your heat. I'll take a well controlled cool engine and clutches.

 

[Leaf27]

If ya want to keep an existing thread going, go buy a membership, some people. Funny thing is I never said anything bad about the Pro. I think the sled is very nice, but I also think the E-tec is very nice, I also think that the M8 is very nice.

It's some of the die hard Poo guys and some trolls that turned this into a crap shoot, telling 4m members to go screw themselves and other remarks that are not called for when discussing sleds, especially when all I did was give a thumbs down to a rude remark directed at me.

I knew the old pot stirrer Slicky couldnt let it go, drama queen. Like I said before there were 2 well respected 4m members that dealt with you not to long ago, and it was the same thing. Sorrry to all the other 4m members I didnt want to post about this anymore but AGAIN the oil Slick cant let it go.

An entire thread dedicated to oil Slick..lol

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=195857

And another...lol

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188185&page=3

 

[Jaynelson]

Fredw to the rescue!! The reason ski doo's clutching sucks massively huge shlong is that no one adjusts the clickers! It's a breakthrough! What are clickers???

 

[gman086]

the more hp the more heat a engine puts off

Thanks for the laugh! The '07 800R is still the most powerful version of the 800R motor because of the lower running temps with no stat. Try a hot vs. cold compression check - nuff said.

As far as TRA primaries - total joke UNLESS you modify them. Tom's arms actually get the top end push out of them that's been missing all along; it is the best way to get that top end belt clamp out of a poor design.

As for all this banter... I can tell you that a stock Pro will beat down a stock XP. But an XP with Tom's kit will beat down a Pro with Carl's kit (not that Carl's is a bad kit - just that Doo left a LOT more on the table in the clutching dept. than Poo did). Overall the Pro has a more efficient drive train and also gets up on top of the snow a whole lot better due to suspension and rail design. These are my own observations and I own both brands so not brand loyal; in fact I may wind up with a 2012 Cat if they finally do come out with the new chassis I'm expecting.

Have FUN!

G MAN

 

[Slick]

If ya want to keep an existing thread going, go buy a membership, some people. Funny thing is I never said anything bad about the Pro. I think the sled is very nice, but I also think the E-tec is very nice, I also think that the M8 is very nice.

It's some of the die hard Poo guys and some trolls that turned this into a crap shoot, telling 4m members to go screw themselves and other remarks that are not called for when discussing sleds, especially when all I did was give a thumbs down to a rude remark directed at me.

I knew the old pot stirrer Slicky couldnt let it go, drama queen. Like I said before there were 2 well respected 4m members that dealt with you not to long ago, and it was the same thing. Sorrry to all the other 4m members I didnt want to post about this anymore but AGAIN the oil Slick cant let it go.

Try and minimize the whining. And.... Well respected by you, not me. Those two are actually more self-absorbed than you are, so there....I said something nice about you. And its funny you sayin i can't let something go, and then bring up my conflict with the 2 alleged well respected members however long ago, seems similar eh.

PS ; I like the etecs, but .... they have some issues, like the rest of em, but back to the topic, IMO go buy an etec and a Pro, take em out as you bought em, and the Pro is gonna be the choice for the majority and it'll win some lose some.. Now I know we all say yeah but you gotta know how to clutch and set em up. Well thats kinda my point, if I pay 13 grand for a mountain sled and then have to be a tuner...gotta ask yourself if you made the best choice. The Poo is just gettin the power to the ground, whatever reason you wanna use, it is whats happening.

 

[mtnpull]

so your saying because the belt was so hot that it was a clutching issue, and this was the culprit because of the primary, i think if you run over to the doo fourm it has been proven over and over that lack of cooling is the culprit rather than any other

if your not smart enought to put no air vents in, remove foam, cut some plastic, then this will be your outcome, and this goes for your pros as well(common sense item)
ask any dealer

i have over 600 miles on stock belt and no issues, just like the other guys i ride with, once again the stock cluching is just fine for us

as for the etecs sidehilling, i personally do not like the narrow front end and made my more similar to the 08 xps, i drove a dragon once last year and could not wait to give it back, felt very unstable, similar to the stock etec

On my 09 xp the clutching was the weak spot of the sled. I had my xp very heavily vented and a great clutch kit installed and it still ran too hot. I would get around 600 miles per belt. I just rode with a etec yesterday and he lost his 1st belt right around 550 miles. My xp put a ton of power to the ground, but it took $500 in clutch work to do it and it still ran hot. I would agree that the clutching on the xp is the weak link of the sled.