i ride with a poo, we both have over 100 miles on our sleds. it does wash out a little. my bigger problem was it trying to flip over backwards. i was going to shorten up the limiter strap. i heard someone was going to let out to try to stop it from washing out. that may be true, but i doubt it. it will definitely make it wheeley more. i was very impressed, it climbed far better that last years model. othetr that i agree with every thing that every body else said.
XM 154 first 100 miles vs Pro
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Bacon
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Ya, I meant the track, not the suspension. Probably hard to know for sure unless track is swapped out and run side by side.
I agree... I am keeping my 163 non ported for another year. Spring conditions will tell the tail. We are doing a demo ride with local dealer here. So will be fun to jump from mine to the xm and see the difference. So far I love the change on my old iron. For the 700 bucks I have in the whole new setup. I will keep my old one for awhile
TSTEFF, I agree 100% with your Pro comparison, they handle nothing alike...being used to the XP, I find the Pro very difficult to ride, too twitchy and sensitive. I admit that is purely ME and not the sled....some people prefer this feel. The XM is between the Pro and XP in this area of handling, in the bumps there is no comparison....XM has one of the best bump rides for a mountain sled I have ever ridden.
I havn't noticed the sidehill washout issue, at least it's not nearly as obvious as it was on the XP. I keep the bars back in line with the post in the forward position, limiter stock (3rd hole) and rear on #3. Throttle mainpulation and pulling the sled up a little farther seems to allow me to go whatever direction I want on a sidehill, although I only have 2 rides on it so this opinion may change.
Thanks for the honest assessment!
I havn't noticed the sidehill washout issue, at least it's not nearly as obvious as it was on the XP. I keep the bars back in line with the post in the forward position, limiter stock (3rd hole) and rear on #3. Throttle mainpulation and pulling the sled up a little farther seems to allow me to go whatever direction I want on a sidehill, although I only have 2 rides on it so this opinion may change.
Thanks for the honest assessment!
The wash out is likely a combination of things as noted. That being said, if the rear suspsension is too soft it is going to collapse and point the front to the the high side. It is difficult to control a "squishy" suspension. The rear falls on its ***, the front end transfers and points to the sky and it washes out. Skidoo has a very light suspension. Too light for 85% of the riders. The stock HPG shock is also slow to rebound and that adds to the problem.
thanks all ! great info ! great thread !
Limiter strap at factory setting, skis set narrow, front springs at 2, rear spring on #3, and front skid spring about 3 turns from factory harder. I also pulled one link off the sway-bar. Riser block is just a tad ( 1 degree ) forward of inline with the post, and I have the bars set at 2 1/2 rocked forward so the "hooks" on the end of the bars are almost straight down.
I'm about 200# with all my crap, and pack.
No tunnel bags ( this puts a bunch of weight at the back of the sled )
Anyway, came off an 11 XP, set up about the same (other than the riser was vertical ) and found it ( the 11) hard to hold a line across a hill, it was always up, or down, which worked, but never flat across. The XM, I can do that. Same front end, same width at the foot wells, same track length.
The XM also has a slightly different caster angle on the spindle, and they changed the skis from last year also. They have a flatter tail to help with the issue of the XP always wanting to climb the hill rather than stay flat.
I've got just over 200 miles so far, and have been very comfortable on side hills, even working up and around trees on road side banks. Which are very steep angle hills. I've not had to apply much effort or had to "push" the thing down. Yes the Pro may flop over with less effort, however the XM is real close in my opinion. I think the XM is more predictable now than the XP was.
I'm about 200# with all my crap, and pack.
No tunnel bags ( this puts a bunch of weight at the back of the sled )
Anyway, came off an 11 XP, set up about the same (other than the riser was vertical ) and found it ( the 11) hard to hold a line across a hill, it was always up, or down, which worked, but never flat across. The XM, I can do that. Same front end, same width at the foot wells, same track length.
The XM also has a slightly different caster angle on the spindle, and they changed the skis from last year also. They have a flatter tail to help with the issue of the XP always wanting to climb the hill rather than stay flat.
I've got just over 200 miles so far, and have been very comfortable on side hills, even working up and around trees on road side banks. Which are very steep angle hills. I've not had to apply much effort or had to "push" the thing down. Yes the Pro may flop over with less effort, however the XM is real close in my opinion. I think the XM is more predictable now than the XP was.
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Jeff800
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TSTEFF;3230812....... I had a problem with the sled washing out on steep sidehills. My foot was as far forward as I could get it and still had the wash problem. I am not sure if there is something set up I could do to help. I changed my technique to make it work on moderate hills but in the steep in deep where you really have to be on the throttle said:
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McTwist700
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Yes washout is when the rear drops down and wants to point you up hill rather than across the hill.
I have a 163, narrow stance, no sway bar, front shocks on 4, rear on 5. Factory limiter setup and factory front shock setup. The sled slides off the mountain before the rear washes. I ride forward, with a shorter track it might not be possible to get far enough ahead??
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snengineer
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All this washing out talk....look its one of two reasons you are having issues with this.
1- your limiter strap is either sucked in too much (nose heavy cause skis to "Anchor" on side hill or turnout much more then necessary) or let out too much (skis are not touching snow, you have no assisted steering while sidehilling or turning out), set it as far out as you can with out experiencing too much ski lift, for me this is the second setting of 4.
2- you use wayyyyyy too much throttle while sidehilling or turning out....this will either get you stuck or you will wash out. Control yourself and your machine, make a controlled maneuver....until crap hits the fan then hope for the best and pin it!
1- your limiter strap is either sucked in too much (nose heavy cause skis to "Anchor" on side hill or turnout much more then necessary) or let out too much (skis are not touching snow, you have no assisted steering while sidehilling or turning out), set it as far out as you can with out experiencing too much ski lift, for me this is the second setting of 4.
2- you use wayyyyyy too much throttle while sidehilling or turning out....this will either get you stuck or you will wash out. Control yourself and your machine, make a controlled maneuver....until crap hits the fan then hope for the best and pin it!
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mtn mike on boost
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in another thread i explained that after sucking up my limiters, the sled now
works awesome. just the right amount of ski lift and doesnt wash out.
I would have to imagine that less ski lift would translate to less-washout. Coming off an XP and into a Pro that's one HUGE difference I've noticed. My XP would hang the skis even with all the adjustments i made, where my Pro really keeps them down. The Pro is definitely way easier to keep on a sidehill, though it does bounce around in setup snow more than i hoped it would. It also doesn't trench much either. The XM's i've ridden definitely wheelie more too. Control the wheelie, increase sidehilling performance? Sounds like it. Wheelieing (sp?) is pretty fun though!
I'd also think the 16" wide hurts the "flickability" of the XM somewhat too (btw i hate the adjective), but it helps in other areas. 6 of one, half dozen of the other. I think Doo made a great sled this year though. Love the motor and it appears to be a very durable sled. Gotta love that. More seat time is going to reveal the ideal setup and that it will be off to the races.
hmmmm
that makes alot of sense, kinda like trenching in the spring when u have to dig them sob's out before you can go
that makes alot of sense, kinda like trenching in the spring when u have to dig them sob's out before you can go
I am running a 10xp 163 nonported with 2 wheel kit new skis, s36, and the t-motion. I run the limiter strap sucked up and springs cranked up to 5. Love it this way. You can feel it start to wash out a bit when on the gas hard. I agree it's all about throttle control. You do not need full throttle when sidehilling. Takes so much less throttle than before to keep it on it's side. All you fellow xp owners know what I mean. I have rode the pro also. Not enough to give a fair statement though. But I do prefer my xp, the way it's setup now anyway. Biggest thing I noticed was power diffference. Great up till 40mph then not much there. Kinda reminded me of the old M7 all or nothing. I would suggest to any xp owner to do the s36, and t-motion. Night and day difference.
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gman086
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I wonder if the T-motion doesn't hinder sidehilling the steeps adding to the wash-out issues? Even some slight angulation may cause less bite from the edge of the track IMHO. The idea sounds great for flatlanders, and novice riders that keep both skis on the snow, but I still have my doubts for mtn use. And yes, I've ridden an XM.
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I was on an XM yesterday. I agree it helps the learning curve but its not for me at all. I also felt the power is overated. The Poo,s in the group will easily outclimb the XM in very deep powder due to the better powder track.the XM is a very nice and sweet sled. its just not an extreme mountain sled in my opinion,Poo is much more a mountain machine
I think some of it might be weight to. I weight 170. So for me it takes that little extra tug that I use to have to give it. Out of it. My buddy is around 220 he has no problem on the xp even with the wide stance. I am a runner, biker. Healthy guy. And I do notice that after a hard day of riding I still have alot left. Compared to being wore out before. So for me thats worth it. Time will tell. I only have 2 rides on new setup. And both were powder day's
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SUMMITREV
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How many miles were on the xm? They are debated almost 20% and governed at only 7800 rpm until breakin is off. Breaking is 33 gallons of fuel burned. I have 100 miles on my sled and have only burned 8 gallons of fuel. So it is plausible that the sled could possibly not been off breakin. Mine I can tell it is not all there yet and it still stomps my buddies m8 with boyseen rad valves and can. I have can only. He even said it had al8t m8red power than his
Fair nuff, the XM has 120 miles ,but the 2011 has 600. Yes the doo will stomp on set snow but not in deep powder. I dont ride either and its a non biased observation we see over and over, Both great sleds, the Doo is a more all around sled and Poo targeted more toward the mountain.I believe Doo hit a Home run this year but its still an enduro sled
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