Yes the first sled is a 12 XP the next clips are the XM. I did better on the XM but it's not what I was thinking it was gonna be.
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Yes the first sled is a 12 XP the next clips are the XM. I did better on the XM but it's not what I was thinking it was gonna be.
i would have been interested in comparison between the xp and the xm...when snow gets that set up, i usually start losing interest in riding...i think a guy has to evaluate where it is he likes to ride most, or where he actually does most of his riding...no question, the poo works best in tight trees, but when it starts to open up a bit, with deeper snow, and steeper, the doo starts gettting into its' advantageous conditions...in more open steep and deep, the doo shows its' stuff, and makes the poo not so shiney...yeh, i guess i also would have a bit of a problem with taking someone elses' sled and treating it that way (tree wrecks)...if i couldn't ride it well enough in those conditions to avoid the trees, maybe back off a bit and ride more open places...i think several others on this thread kind of agreed with wbs' accessment, although he maybe could have sugar coated it some...the video was cool, i would have liked some commentary on why he felt he was having problems with sled control reletive to the poo or xp to xm..although i like riding tight trees also, i ride a lot of way different areas in 3 states frequently, and was thinking the xm might handle a composit of those areas better than the poo....just thinking...
Yes the front end on the 2 different XM's I rode did lift the front end more then I would have like them too. One thing I never liked about my XP is when you would goose it it wanted to go straight up and on the XM it does this to. In the video at 2:24 I wanted to continue my sidehill but when I give it the goose it goes straight into the tree instead of straight across the slope, now there is something in the snow that pointed the sled that direction and it is hard to recover and stay on edge while maintaining your edge going straight across. I guess this is where I love the Pro chassis and it's ability to correct it's self in terrain adjustments.
apparently if I ride this week I'm gonna have to get some footage of my Pro so you can see it's not rider error I just really feel like the chassis works against you instead of with you, again IMO
...thanks for the additional imput, that makes sense, and also supports my feeling for the xps i have ridden, i was just hoping the xm would have figured it out a little better..
i would have been interested in comparison between the xp and the xm...when snow gets that set up, i usually start losing interest in riding...i think a guy has to evaluate where it is he likes to ride most, or where he actually does most of his riding...no question, the poo works best in tight trees, but when it starts to open up a bit, with deeper snow, and steeper, the doo starts gettting into its' advantageous conditions...in more open steep and deep, the doo shows its' stuff, and makes the poo not so shiney...yeh, i guess i also would have a bit of a problem with taking someone elses' sled and treating it that way (tree wrecks)...if i couldn't ride it well enough in those conditions to avoid the trees, maybe back off a bit and ride more open places...i think several others on this thread kind of agreed with wbs' accessment, although he maybe could have sugar coated it some...the video was cool, i would have liked some commentary on why he felt he was having problems with sled control reletive to the poo or xp to xm..although i like riding tight trees also, i ride a lot of way different areas in 3 states frequently, and was thinking the xm might handle a composit of those areas better than the poo....just thinking...
What's the point of a demo ride if I'm not going to ride it how I ride my Pro??? If I'm gonna think about spending $11,500 you can bet your sweet butt I'm gonna ride it like my sled and not play in the meadows, thinking I'm going to back off a bit is crazy talk
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racerjb
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I feel there will be a fair amount of timbesleds, kmods, holz, other rear suspension kits sold next year for the XM plus some Camo tracks. It seams like a gimmick to me. One theory I heard, is that it doesn't not cut an edge. For instance, try riding a snowboard or skis with the sides curved up and no edge. It would just wash out. This maybe what Treeboss experienced in the harder, setup snow.
If I owned an XM, I would get rid of that tmotion and track right away. Doo seams to build solids sleds but they always have something that is different or gimmicky. I also heard that Polaris did try the tmotion concept but did not like it. I am sure the XM would be killer sled if Ski Doo put a simple coil over rear suspension in it and 15"wide track.
I always prefer the simplest approach which is what Polaris keeps doing. The pro is a simple, solid sled, that performs. Although, I would like a Suzuki motor in it!
If I owned an XM, I would get rid of that tmotion and track right away. Doo seams to build solids sleds but they always have something that is different or gimmicky. I also heard that Polaris did try the tmotion concept but did not like it. I am sure the XM would be killer sled if Ski Doo put a simple coil over rear suspension in it and 15"wide track.
I always prefer the simplest approach which is what Polaris keeps doing. The pro is a simple, solid sled, that performs. Although, I would like a Suzuki motor in it!
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I was able to try the xm tuesday at St helens. The snow was very wet and visibility was bad most of the day . I found the handling of the xm to be similar to my brothers 2010 xp 800x. The power was great and it climbed fantastic. We tried to turn it on a down hill, 180 and go back up but it just did not want to cooperate with the snow conditions we were in. The snow just seemed to pile up in front of the machine. When I tried to hold a line on a side hill it still tried to turn up the hill though not as bad as all the other skidoos the deeler brought us to try . I wonder if a 16 inch wide track is just that way when your riding on snow that wet. I would love to have tried it on a good day but you take what you get and around here those good days are hard to catch. For the most part I was impressed it has some great new features, but the one thing that kills me. Why cant skidoo make a oil tank that wont leak ? At $40.00 a gallon it should stay in the tank not leak all over my engine.
As they say....
I dont care what sled u ride as long as it belongs to someone else,you r a winner.
I dont care what sled u ride as long as it belongs to someone else,you r a winner.
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pura vida
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thanks for the reply, good to know. others on the doo section thought that it was just the way the sled was setup but i suspected otherwise. and if the sled was setup to keep the front end down, how much "flickability" (since that is the word of the season this year) would you sacrifice? none? a lot? somewhere in between? don't think we will real know until next year...
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pura vida
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i don't think so. i think the skid and track is what is providing the majority of the handling improvement. take that away and you really are just looking at an xp with a different skin on it.
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tbeaton
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Collection of belt Pro bumpers.....and 1 wooden spoon.I have no bent XP bumpers or I would post those too...LOL
The other pic, yes it is missing the a-arms....don't ask. I wish I could take credit for that but I can only ride XP's.
lets get real, the xp bumper is just as flimsy, i have a bent rear bumper from towing and a dent from who knows where and i all but split the front one in half going 10 mph when i hit a tree. none of the stock bumpers from anyone are worth a ****, they are all made of tin foil. its def not just polaris
If the pro and xm handled identically, why would you buy the xm? It is supposed to be 47 pounds heavier. Is the heavy azz countersteer gone on the xm? Would like to try the xm but it is still a bandaid for a chassis problem. Mod them like one of the other posts was saying and the new handling is gone. With over a 3 inch narrower ski stance, cords cut in the track, and a flex joint in the rear suspension you shouldn't lose the sled down the hill if you aren't used to it. You would be over throwing it the other way. Too far forward and 16 wide track are the problem. Now you lost your edge with the track folding over. No thanks.
Do the pro's really run hot all the time? and do the engines fail as much as all the posts lead me to believe? I would like to buy a new sled this year and I am concerned about the longevity of a polaris. It sounds like they dont like to stand by their waranty.
The hottest I have run on hard pack icy snow is 131 with scratchers down. If you have 3 or more inches of fluffy snow I run 127-131 all day with no scratchers. It does help a ton to keep your speeds up when running hard pack though.
I have had no issues with my motor but I only have 500 miles on my sled
Some do have motor problems but I suspect a lot of them (not all) are owner induced.
I believe you should always warm a machine up before taping the throttle to the bars.
Just my opinions but I love my Pro!
I have had no issues with my motor but I only have 500 miles on my sled
Some do have motor problems but I suspect a lot of them (not all) are owner induced.
I believe you should always warm a machine up before taping the throttle to the bars.
Just my opinions but I love my Pro!
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tbeaton
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i hit 181 once going snow on a goat path up the side of a mountain, put scratchers down and it hit 125 in 30 seconds. had it go up to 170 on the lake a few times, no snow and scratchers down, but not enough to help cool it. one time was just a few weeks ago with quite a bit of water on the lake and it didn't help cool it for ****.
not having ridden an XM, from my perspective it looked like a video of a guy jumping on a chassis and instantly expecting to do technical tree riding on mediocre snow with a sled he isn't comfortable riding.
So that video really didn't tell me much at all. I own a Pro, but I cant wait to try an XM just for kicks!
So that video really didn't tell me much at all. I own a Pro, but I cant wait to try an XM just for kicks!
Why cant we see a video of a Pro in the same conditions...
These snow conditoins are really hard to ride in...
I woluld like to see the same riding, in the same conditions, but with i Pro, and see if that sled i so easy to handle like you say...
I think the problems are exaggerated....all brands have failures. Doesn't run any hotter than the other mountain sleds on the trials, just use the scratchers. They are all keeping weight down and part of that is going minimal on the coolers and coolant capacity. If it's under warranty and the sled is stock (or close) there shouldn't be any issues.
My experience from the same day earlier in the morning. I love this sled! Just wish I could afford one!
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snowmobiler
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pro is a IQ with new plastic.yawn.
