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FreerideBrad
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I’m headed to pick them up on Saturday. Should I just get an anti stab kit for them? Will it only take the factory anti stab or will an Ice Age anti stab work?
Indy Specialty 9R conversion
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Any anti stab will work.
Factory or ice age are both reliable.
If you get oem tips and the oem spacers that hold it the tips in place then it will look cleanest.
(Hopefully you can get the tips with the rails)
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Fair enough. What do you recommend?
My thought was, if you're looking for more power, you're never going to match a turbo. But then I see you're talking more about low to mid-range grunt. I'd still want to try out a boost (If you have, disregard). You are likely to spend more buying a 9R and selling what you've got (especially once you add the P-85 conversion); still, if it's close... Obviously, a used 9R might be worth a look. If you do go with a conversion, there are plenty of good reports about Carl's big bore, but I don't think you'd do worse with Dan's. One other thing I noticed on Indy's website is he's got a stroker option too now. Unfortunately, it's much more expensive, but I wonder with the longer stroke if it might meet or beat the 9R on the bottom end. Just something new to me.
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That’s funny you mention a turbo. I have been in the snowest rabbit hole since November, trying to see what y’all are doing with sleds. I have seen a few posts where guys are just stuck figuring out how to get their boosted sleds to run right. Then I see other posts about improving power without a turbo and there seems to be plenty of folks who say that a turbo is the way to go and their sleds are pull and go. I’m actually considering a Silber for cost and pretty great reviews, but that will be next year if I go that route.
My concern is; I’m not sure if I have the tuning skills for the clutches and turbo to make it work well and reliably. There are some that say to just set it up the way Silber says to. There are others that say you have to get clutch kits from TRS or Indy Specialty, or a specific tune… Is it really that easy to do for someone with decent mechanical skills and moderate two stroke knowledge?
if you want a turbo, buy a factory turbo, add a boost valve and a p85 and ride it.
This.
Additionally if you want the response of a 9R just buy a 9R and ride it.
No special skills or experience required.
Logging off the internet and just riding. Today's sleds are more than enough bone stock
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FreerideBrad
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Would love to. Just not enough snow yet. Sorry that my curiosity and questions in a forum of extremely knowledgeable people is out of line.
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Other than damp, my panties are fine. Thanks for your concern.
Thank you, everyone else (Sheetmetalfab) for all the great insights and information. For now, I’m going to throw a 155 track on it and see if I can get the rowdy I’m looking for. Most of you have given me something to think about throughout the season and afterwards. Might be a turbo, might be a BB kit, might be a new sled.
Thank you, everyone else (Sheetmetalfab) for all the great insights and information. For now, I’m going to throw a 155 track on it and see if I can get the rowdy I’m looking for. Most of you have given me something to think about throughout the season and afterwards. Might be a turbo, might be a BB kit, might be a new sled.
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That’s where my head is/was at. I don’t mind wrenching, but want to get it set up and go. Which is why I was contemplating a BB kit. However, last years snow didn’t offer a lot of opportunity in my area, so maybe with the new track and all that I’ve learned about the OL Twins, I won’t feel the need to change a thing. I just want it to make me pee a little when I grab a handful of throttle.
Twins are very finicky.
Not set it up and go.
I can see why you were looking to change it up.
(Often soft on the bottom end)
There's plenty of debate on 9R vs. Boost vs. aftermarket turbo. I don't have a turbo (on a sled; I've got two turbo-diesels and a Porsche 924 turbo), but the biggest piece of advice I'd give if you're considering aftermarket is to talk to people who are or have run an aftermarket turbo. Everyone "has a buddy who could never get his XYZ turbo kit to work right." There are people who are happy with aftermarket turbos, but some of them switched to a Boost. Also, power will always make a sled more rowdy, and a turbo will always have more than NA (maybe less worth it the lower you ride though). That said, I think you're spending money in the right place if you go to an aggressive 155" track. If the snow where you're at is like mine, you're just going to tear stuff up if you take it out in the next couple weeks. If you feel like changing something around instead of sitting around waiting, why not?
Incidentally, what you've currently got is the direction I'd like to go on my next sled. I've heard good things about SLP's twins, but the initial tune at least wasn't that good. You might want to reach out to @TRS on that: he's done some tuning, plus he'd be able to help if your clutching could use some attention. You might make as big a jump on what you've got as you'd (hopefully) get in a big bore, but for hundreds and not thousands of dollars. Obviously, a big bore twin-pipe would be the ultimate NA - assuming it was tuned right. If I had money to burn, Dan's stroker and twin pipes sounds pretty spicy. Finally, you'd asked about using your current twin pipes with a conversion. It'd probably work, but SLP does make pipes specific to the 9R, so I doubt it'd be ideal. But it's worth asking SLP, if you do go that direction; I guarantee they know how a 9R runs with 850 twin pipes.
Incidentally, what you've currently got is the direction I'd like to go on my next sled. I've heard good things about SLP's twins, but the initial tune at least wasn't that good. You might want to reach out to @TRS on that: he's done some tuning, plus he'd be able to help if your clutching could use some attention. You might make as big a jump on what you've got as you'd (hopefully) get in a big bore, but for hundreds and not thousands of dollars. Obviously, a big bore twin-pipe would be the ultimate NA - assuming it was tuned right. If I had money to burn, Dan's stroker and twin pipes sounds pretty spicy. Finally, you'd asked about using your current twin pipes with a conversion. It'd probably work, but SLP does make pipes specific to the 9R, so I doubt it'd be ideal. But it's worth asking SLP, if you do go that direction; I guarantee they know how a 9R runs with 850 twin pipes.
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I agree with you on all of that. After I asked my questions, I got into the SW rabbit hole and saw a lot of things coming out of these OL Twin 850s. After all the information I have learned from here and other threads, I have some testing to do. I read that these sled like 8600-8750 rpms. I typically don’t look at that when I’m riding unless I want to verify, but the highest that I know I’ve had it was around 8400. I need to know what it does on a long pull with the pipes hot. I can at least determine if I need to adjust my weights. I’ve always known twins to be finicky, but it has never been enough for me to dislike them. The noise isn’t too bad on this either. At idle, it sounds like it’s going to be loud AF, but I have heard a lot worse out of single pipes.
My plan throughout this season is to get the 155 installed, see what RPMs I can get during some hot pipes and long WOT pulls. If I can’t get the clutching right, I’ll reach out to TRS. I love his kit that I put in my 16 Axys . All the improvements in all the right places. Outside of a turbo or BB Kit, I don’t know that I can squeeze more out of it if the clutching is right.
I really appreciate your input. What I have gotten out of this is what I needed to hear, great ideas and perspective. I now have what I need to look for to determine if my sled is running optimally. I hope to hear about you having a Twin set up with IS stroker motor. It does sound sick.
What are your thoughts on the Camso X3 vs 300LX? ive had the X3 on my '21 Khaos for a few years, i went to the 300LX this year. its like 10 lbs lighter so was hoping to gains some quickness. Miss my 9Rs snappyness.
The X3 will float slightly better.
The weight difference is real though.
I'm really liking having the snap of the lightweight 325 vs my old 300LX.
ya, if i get a new sled it will have the 3.25. it should be the same as the 300LX? like 44 lbs?
