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Interesting to get your take on it being planted. I’ve read that some riders cant get it to keep the skis on the ground and struggle side hilling with washout and it wanting to point uphill. On your sled, do you have the front track shock softened to minimum spring preload to improve the precision mode?
Going from cat to Doo, I honestly didn't like the 16wide track at all. Maybe it was the flex edge, maybe it was the width. But I felt all over the place on a gen4 165 expert.
Hoping my shredder ds 4100 is a little more predictable.
I'm similar weight and rider skills.Question for those with both Poo and Doo experience. I'm a 205lb, intermediate+ rider, riding in the Southern interior of BC, once or twice a year to Revy. I'm an active rider and we spend almost all our time in technical treed terrain (I don't jump, do bowties or re-entries and I'm not big into hill climbing). We don't get many deep days where I ride. I'm currently on a '22 RMK Pro 163 3" and I'd like to try a turbo Skidoo and I'm wondering if the 16" Skidoo track width at 154 would be close to the 15" wide 163 Polaris track? I'm no track dynamics expert but the 154" skidoo track has more surface area than the 163" Polaris track by almost 20 sq in., makes me think the 154" would be plenty. Thoughts?
Well said, the extra 1/2” on each is much less an advantage as some would make it out to be. You’ll notice much more of a difference in track length (154 vs 165) regardless of whether it’s 15” or 16” wide.A 154 x 16 may have similar footprint of the 163 x15 but you ride trees and more than 1/2 the time you will be on a sidehill with 50% of the Doo track out of the snow. That 1/2" on the hill side is not going to make up for the extra length of the 163. Also it will tend to go nose up more, due to short track, more power and more transfer. The Doo tracks do work well though so you won't be disappointed, just more worn out.
Thanks for the info guys, very helpful. I'll be going 165. [almost all our time in technical treed terrain (I don't jump, do bowties or re-entries and I'm not big into hill climbing). We don't get many deep days where I ride.]
Hi Joe, I bought the sled today and I’m getting your clutch installed by Derrick in Revy on Monday. Very much looking forward to trying it out. My last clutch was a cycles and sleds tuned clutch on a ‘’22 Polaris and I loved it. looking forward to the downhill braking of yours…it would have saved a clutch belt last year on a long, very steep trees and dangerous descent where I had to use reverse.When you decide on getting the Dooey, look me up for a clutch kit. Silky smoooooth engagement speed, tightest connection between throttle and track. And when you are in the groove, off / on throttle, the backshift is quick and the track wheels up quickly.
When you dont have that deep day and have to do some wrong foot forward on setup or low snow, the throttle control has no handlebar tugging, smooth clutching like a widetrack.
Hey Driver, thanks for responding. my last clutch kit was from cycles and sleds who test and build in the Rockies specifically for tight technical trees. I didn’t think about how ibackshift might not be oriented toward the riding I do. The reason I bought the CnS clutch was from riding a friends clutched kit and being very impressed with how snappy it was off the bottom. I was surprised at the difference. I think I’ll post and Ask this question about ibackshift and the riding I do to get some perspective from others.If you are doing tight technical treeriding be aware that most clutchkits on the market use steep helixes, tight springs and have a lots of pivot weight etc. They do pull hard but dont fit very well to technical riding where you want the sled to be revvy and light feeling. I recommend try out the stock clutching first.
I wish companies that sell clutch kits would tell how they are designed and for what kind of type of riding. Be straight forward how those kits change characteristics of the sled. There is no kit that would work all the riders, all the riding styles, conditions and snow and elevation.
Hey Driver, thanks for responding. my last clutch kit was from cycles and sleds who test and build in the Rockies specifically for tight technical trees. I didn’t think about how ibackshift might not be oriented toward the riding I do. The reason I bought the CnS clutch was from riding a friends clutched kit and being very impressed with how snappy it was off the bottom. I was surprised at the difference. I think I’ll post and Ask this question about ibackshift and the riding I do to get some perspective from others.
I should clarify that by low snow I mean 6” to 1 or 2’ dumps with a 4 meter base by the end of the season, as compared to the high snow conditions and multiple feet dumps of a place like revelstoke. It’s typically only spring riding where we ride consistently firm snow. Does this change your perspective on the decision I’m making?If you are riding a low snow conditions and you have powertrain that engages hard and tracks starts to push right away, you will find that riding will get more difficult on low speeds and on low snow.
I should clarify that by low snow I mean 6” to 1 or 2’ dumps with a 4 meter base by the end of the season, as compared to the high snow conditions and multiple feet dumps of a place like revelstoke. It’s typically only spring riding where we ride consistently firm snow. Does this change your perspective on the decision I’m making?
Interesting. I get what you’re saying. I wonder how CnS designed their clutches to work so well for the type of riding we’re talking about.No, it just confirms my idea. Thats about the same snow we are riding here.
Now as you choose 165", you have more flotation and traction. Combined with hard pushing powertrain on low engine rpms, will make riding dificult on low speeds. You will constantly have low rpm, lots of traction and sled thats pushing hard. Will take a lof of effort from YOU to control.
I appreciate the advice, thanks.I would recommend, try it stock first. Find the correct riser height and bar position for yourself. Learn how the sled handles as its different breed than other brands.
After few rides if you still feel that clutching is off and holding you back, its time to do something.
Most common thing I seen people complain about is too high engagment. But that is no reason to buy clutchkit. You can simply to swap softer primary spring (20-30$) and get that engagment down.