Keep "In God we trust" on our money.....
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ruffy, who has been the most charitable country in the world?
Interesting hypothetical situation.
I would have to say that I would. "In God We Trust" to me, isn't offensive because it doesn't imply which God we indeed trust in. Hell, you could worship Odin, as I have many times pretended to do to creep out friends, and that phrase would still apply.
But as soon as you specify which God, you cross a line. I'm sure that line is relative to the individual, not the nation, but you have to draw lines somewhere.
Yes, both failures of man. If pure capitalism would be abound, what is the end game, what would be the result? I think if there were pure capitalism, it would end up similar to feudalism.
So why don't you see that if a person believes in no god, that they would have an issue also?
I think I got you on this one..
So why don't you see that if a person believes in no god, that they would have an issue also?
I think I got you on this one..
I talked myself into a corner. I realized it as soon as I hit reply.
But, as democracy goes, we must follow the majority, whether that results in a poor presidential choice, or a theistic slogan on our money.
The majority rules, in any case.
On what basis and too whom? It is a open question.
So why don't you see that if a person believes in no god, that they would have an issue also?
I think I got you on this one..
but i contend that you do believe in a god... it is yourself that you believe in and therefore deify it... oops i forget the emoticon!
charitable in relation to its fellow citizens as well as to its fellow man, ie, without respect to borders etc. yes its a general question.
ruffy, do you think that any founding document should not have any reference to a deity? what do you have to say about the justice system, ie, the oath when giving testimony?
So what if I am a god and I don't believe in myself?....
LOL! i would say holy hell your in a heep of trouble.
So what if I am a god and I don't believe in myself?....
Wouldn't it be terrible if God had low self esteem?
If he doesn't believe in himself, would if be blasphemy?
I have a hard time in believing too hardly in any document. As far as the founding fathers are concerned. If they somehow came back to life today and had the choice to rewrite it for today's time period, would they change it? I mean, we have changed it with amendments already... I strongly worry about anyones inability to change. That is what makes people work so well, our ability to adapt. (Insert Obama joke about change here....)
As far as the bible, If it meant anything, then why do people lie under oath? Why do people profuse innocence even after being found guilty? Just another point of 90% Americans believing in God while only 30 % actually live like they do...
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you would have to define 'change'. if that means change my convictions then i have a problem. listen what is really at stake here is objective truth, imo. postmodern times have brought old friends into the forefront again, ie, existentialism.
yeah not too surprised about that. i would not advocate giving to most nations as most are ruled by tyrants and the food/money do not get to the needy anyways. i was looking for a trend... trying to see the amount of giving year by year. interesting stuff though!
they did display there lack of 'biblical knowledge'.
Religious charities have higher overheads than secular ones and divert more money into non-charitable ends such as prosyltisation and church costs. Also, proportionally more money is lost (and stolen) from the collection plate than is lost from the accounts of a secular (non-religious) charity. In addition to all of this, atheists who work in secular charities do so for the sake of doing good, without the added motivation of suspecting it gets them into heaven.
no one 'gets to heaven' by being charitable.
you would have to define 'change'. if that means change my convictions then i have a problem. listen what is really at stake here is objective truth, imo. postmodern times have brought old friends into the forefront again, ie, existentialism.
Change... like woman have rights, are equals, like people of other races have rights, are equals. Like polluting of lakes and rivers is a bad thing, like sustainable business practices are a good thing..
These are all mental shifts in society. ie change.. Pollution is a problem, so we change our practices. Trade deficit is a problem, so we change. Dependance upon oil is a problem, so we change..
Those last ones are a pipe dream...
i agree in principle but some of those' change agents' are used to subvert objective truth... im sure we dont see eye to eye on that.
you do realize even though we dont agree on most things( world view) that i would fight for your right to have your views... i do not believe in silencing my critics... isnt that the road to tyranny?
