All these threads hatin on Obama....

[Mooseknuckle]

Good looking tribe you got there Mike.

My wife and I have our first. As to terminating the pregnancy, it was decided that only if she was in mortal danger. We could make another baby. I can't make another wife. That is really the only "choice" I'd like available. Although I think overall that its an issue of choice - the right one would be life.


if you don't want a kid then the chicks should keep their pants on !


Heck ya! Right after that maybe we could go lynch some one. I'd hope that the statement above was made in jest, but sometimes....

Maybe they should both keep there pants on, eh?

 

[maluchm]

Maybe he has, or has been close to people that have been in that situation. How about telling us more about you point of view/beliefs besides stating that he isn't in touch with reality.

I tend to agree with the belief that it is a mothers choice ultimately. Though, I would hope that both father and mother would come to a decision together as they are both responsible for the child. I would rather people have abortions instead of bringing a child into this world that they are unable to care/love/provide for.

I have been in that situation and do speak from experience on this. That's why I simply said it would be a smack in the face. It's not an easy decision! I don't believe that I implied he was not in touch with reality so please try not to misconstrue my words. A child will greatly affect BOTH the father and mother! But obviously only one can carry the baby until birth. Being worried about how it will affect the women’s body and using that as the high point for the argument

 

[xrated]

Being worried about how it will affect the women’s body and using that as the high point for the argument -Bingo Bango.

 

[ruffryder]

I don't believe that I implied he was not in touch with reality so please try not to misconstrue my words. A child will greatly affect BOTH the father and mother! But obviously only one can carry the baby until birth.

Reality would be a big smack in the face if you ever found yourself in this position!

I guess I need some clarification as to what you mean in the quote above. I assume if reality would be a big smack in the face that he is not currently in touch with reality. I guess you are meaning something else? If you mean the reality for being responsible for another living being, well that is great that you did, but to say everyone would have the same reaction would be a stretch. Everyone "should" have the same reaction, for those that don't rise to the occasion/responsibility they should not be forced to continue with child birth.

Being worried about how it will affect the women’s body and using that as the high point for the argument.

I am not arguing that point. What I am arguing is that if the mother and father are not wanting or capable of raising the child properly, the child is better off not being born. Kind of harsh, but that is my stance on it.

 

[redlineguy]

i like Obamas position on the war, but thats been BEAT to death.

I like his position on using alternative energy to bring down fuel prices and break our addiciton

I like his position on lowering college tuition, and letting kids work it off by community service.

I like that Obama is for abortions and spending money to get people informed about safe sex. I also like that he believes its the womens choice to have the abortion, not the families...

I also think that for being liberal, his land closure opinion is pretty dam good. When i saw him speak it was brought up, and he said he wanted to keep it open and shared for all types of recreation, and not just close it off to some people. Now to me that sounds pretty fair, and i havent even heard McCains opinion on it, but i think alot of you guys just assume because of his party that hes all for it. Things arent always what they seem.

Finally, i like Obamas position on healthcare, i know many people who cant afford it and suffer because of that. Free health care would make a world of difference to them, and millions of others.

Free.................ROTFLMFAO!!!!!! YOU HAVE TO BE JOKING!!!!....There inlies a BIG problem, People THINK it is FREE......Man that is one of the funnest thing I have ever read one here....FREE >>>>>LMAO!!!












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[redlineguy]

irrelevant, how many did i see before?!? You make it sound like we were constantly underfire from radical muslims, then bush came in and put a stop to all of it.....rediculous.

UMMMM atleast 2 come to mind, The WTC, USS COLE..I can't remember the others right now.


You need to do your Homework before you make a post like that..LOL











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[ruffryder]

You need to do your Homework before you make a post like that..LOL

And you need to stop putting so many darn spaces in your posts!

 

[maluchm]

I guess I need some clarification as to what you mean in the quote above. I assume if reality would be a big smack in the face that he is not currently in touch with reality. I guess you are meaning something else? If you mean the reality for being responsible for another living being, well that is great that you did, but to say everyone would have the same reaction would be a stretch. Everyone "should" have the same reaction, for those that don't rise to the occasion/responsibility they should not be forced to continue with child birth.




I am not arguing that point. What I am arguing is that if the mother and father are not wanting or capable of raising the child properly, the child is better off not being born. Kind of harsh, but that is my stance on it.

Both of us may have a bit too much time on our hands. Good thing I get paid by the hour. Anyway, how about I say the reality of the situation? Coming up against a life or death situation. You have one of two choices to make and being in that position is real.......it's a smack in the face.... and it's tough call that some may or may not change their mind at that moment depending on the circumstances.

 

[cmantle1]

abortion is legalized murder !!!! and must be stopped ...over 46 million babies have been aborted in the US alone .....

if you don't want a kid then the chicks should keep their pants on !

To begin the procedure, the abortionist turns the baby into a breech position by grabbing the legs with forceps. Pulling the live baby feet-first out of the womb and into the birth canal, the doctor purposely keeps the head lodged just inside the cervix. The abortionist then sharply thrusts a pair of long surgical scissors into the base of the skull and opens them to enlarge a hole. This, of course, kills the baby. A tube connected to a high-powered vacuum is then used to suction out the brain material. This allows the skull of the baby to be crushed, making it easier to complete the extraction.

Medical experts testified at congressional hearings that the baby feels tremendous pain during the partial-birth abortion procedure. In fact, doctors say a baby at this stage of development has a much higher density of Qpioid (pain) receptors than children or adults.

Partial-birth abortions are performed routinely on mothers from 41/2 months into the pregnancy through full-term. About 90% of partial-birth abortions are done during the fifth and sixth months. The majority are performed on healthy babies carried by healthy mothers for elective reasons.

any questions ....I hope not ....don't even try and argue...this crap

last year my wife was soooo sick she spent 2 months in hospital with our last child....and we never even thought about abortion !!

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i will agrue this H2, when does the baby feel more pain? during an abortion, or when its abused all its life and grows up starving?

I have a question, when your daughter gets drunk at a highschool party at ends up getting pregnant at 16, are you gonna have her keep the child?

Wait, i know the answer to this, in a typical conservative manor your thinking "ill be such a good parent and my kid wont drink or have premarital sex so it wont ever be a problem".

And, if we make abortion illegal all those kids are gonna need somewhere to live, i think building subdivisions on your riding land would make a great place...

If you cant tell, this REALLY pissed me off. i know so many mothers that would have good lives if they had an abortion, but parents and husbands like YOU talked them into keeping the baby. Dont tell me "it was her choice, because i personally know 4 different women who got sexually abused and ended up pregant. Now they have a kid and all of thier dreams of doing what they want are out the door.

 

[khaddon2110]

i will agrue this H2, when does the baby feel more pain? during an abortion, or when its abused all its life and grows up starving?

I have a question, when your daughter gets drunk at a highschool party at ends up getting pregnant at 16, are you gonna have her keep the child?

Wait, i know the answer to this, in a typical conservative manor your thinking "ill be such a good parent and my kid wont drink or have premarital sex so it wont ever be a problem".

And, if we make abortion illegal all those kids are gonna need somewhere to live, i think building subdivisions on your riding land would make a great place...

If you cant tell, this REALLY pissed me off. i know so many mothers that would have good lives if they had an abortion, but parents and husbands like YOU talked them into keeping the baby. Dont tell me "it was her choice, because i personally know 4 different women who got sexually abused and ended up pregant. Now they have a kid and all of thier dreams of doing what they want are out the door.

Wow,.... Listen to yourself....Who are you, or for that matter anyone else to decide that you can just end the life of a child, or baby. Those are your words not mine.....

There are other options out there for women who find themselves pregnant. Many people can not have children of there own and would love to addopt.

 

[cmantle1]

Wow,.... Listen to yourself....Who are you, or for that matter anyone else to decide that you can just end the life of a child, or baby. Those are your words not mine.....

There are other options out there for women who find themselves pregnant. Many people can not have children of there own and would love to addopt.

adoption is a good point, and i guess me response was little over the top, but its just a personal thing and i think its close minded to think abortion is murder.

 

[ruffryder]

There are other options out there for women who find themselves pregnant. Many people can not have children of there own and would love to addopt.

So what do you say to a child that is not adopted and is then forced to go through the foster care system / group homes and the like? I have a hard time punishing a child like that when the parents should have been responsible.

I am of the mind there should only be two options. Have a child and the mother and father agree to raise/provide/love he child, or have an abortion. If they can't live with an abortion, well, maybe they will think harder the next time they decide to have sex.

 

[hatchers]

way too much crap in this thread....

my thoughts:
- im down with the POW (voting for McCain)
- anyone who cant compelte a sentence withoiut bashing a lib or bashing the other is brain washed....period!
- i dont care what his name is, he seem nothing more than a meat puppet
- anyone who wont vote for Obama beacaude of one the following is a trained mule...period! ie: (his name/the muslin thing/wont sport a trendy flag on his forehead/says old quotes are only words/his blackness)

all in all, i just hope one or the other wont send more of our young children to die for a war that can never been won...

peace guys, peace

 

[alrevedup]

We are at war with a Muslim country and someone who's members of his immediate family are extreme radical Muslim is about to have a very good chance at running this country. You're damn right I'm scared and you should be too. I'm giving very serious thought to becoming a Canadian.

Are you kidding???

Do you want a Leader or someone that looks and sounds like you??

Who cares what his name is

Who cares what color his skin is

Who cares if his "brother" is not a patriot

I want a man, a President with a backbone. Not just a puppet. Bush ran 2 companies into the ground. He has done the same to our country!!! Do you want more of the same???? More deficit, More war, More of the "same ol"??

I know this is a right wing site.

Vote with your mind, not with your trigger finger!!

 

[MTm7]

So what do you say to a child that is not adopted and is then forced to go through the foster care system / group homes and the like? I have a hard time punishing a child like that when the parents should have been responsible.

I am of the mind there should only be two options. Have a child and the mother and father agree to raise/provide/love he child, or have an abortion. If they can't live with an abortion, well, maybe they will think harder the next time they decide to have sex.

alright rufffyand others... what is your basis(philosophical, scientific, etc) for abortion being a good option? i mean if it is not murder then why? so a woman can live "her life", so a child doesnt have to suffer, its an inconvenient time etc does not answer the question. those are all excuses to appeal to the emotions and selfishness. it is a stand alone issue and needs nothing added by way of rationalization.

do you see the little euphomisms(sp?) that have been employed so as to minimize or gloss over the gravity of such a "decision"? i mean if its just a matter of "choice" than by all means there isnt much to lose. and this nonsense that we must maintain the womans right to choose is just a poor attempt at self-deification. imo, i think the abortion issue is a micro-cosom of the US. it tells us how we view the value of life. i mean afterall there is nothing more innocent than a baby and if we can murder a baby and label it pro-choice than this country deserves to fall.

no ill will towards you ruffy(and others) i just have strong convictions.

 

[ruffryder]

alright rufffyand others... what is your basis(philosophical, scientific, etc) for abortion being a good option? i mean if it is not murder then why? so a woman can live "her life", so a child doesnt have to suffer, its an inconvenient time etc does not answer the question. those are all excuses to appeal to the emotions and selfishness. it is a stand alone issue and needs nothing added by way of rationalization.

no ill will towards you ruffy(and others) i just have strong convictions.

I think the term "euthanasia" fits with my line of thinking. I think many of us on here that think it is a womans choice do think that abortions are a shame and are sad, but I don't know how to compare that to a child's lifetime of pain, hence the term euthanasia.

I find it interesting that the only time conservatives like government in there lives is when they want to stop people from doing things there bible tells them are wrong. It seems completely contradictory to the main beliefs of government from conservatives.

 

[shortstop20]

way too much crap in this thread....

my thoughts:
- im down with the POW (voting for McCain)
- anyone who cant compelte a sentence withoiut bashing a lib or bashing the other is brain washed....period!
- i dont care what his name is, he seem nothing more than a meat puppet
- anyone who wont vote for Obama beacaude of one the following is a trained mule...period! ie: (his name/the muslin thing/wont sport a trendy flag on his forehead/says old quotes are only words/his blackness)

all in all, i just hope one or the other wont send more of our young children to die for a war that can never been won...

peace guys, peace

For once I can agree with Hatchers. Way too much BS going on and not enough truth.

 

[milehighassassin]

Are you voting for Obama over McCain? What are the top 3 deciding factors for you? You go to CSU?

Yes I am voting for Obama.

Yes I go to CSU.


I don't know if I have a top three.


McCain has said some racist things in the past, one thing I don't like about him; "I hate g00ks and I always will".

I don't care what happened to you as a POW, sad but to hate ANYONE because of their race is bad, and I don't think someone with those feelings should be leader of the free world.

McCain doesn't know anything about economics, this is a bad time to be President if that is the case.

McCain is not a conservative, there are VERY few Republicans that are REAL Republicans. What happened to this party?

McCain is alright with staying in Iraq for "the next 100 years".

Obama, can actually speak. I am not sayign Obama is the greatest thing since slided bread, but he is a better candidate than McCain. I am REALLY sick of the path the Republican party has taken in the last decade+. They are no longer about small government. I have other reasons, but little time right this moment.

 

[snowmobiler]

obama came to my town and said...
"In such circumstances, I decided we could not afford to wait," he said. "We can't wait to fix schools, end global warming, save our streams, our rivers, our forests. That's why I'm running for president, right here, right now. We can't wait," he said, repeating that three times.


VERY important stuff right there.LOL

 

[MTm7]

I think the term "euthanasia" fits with my line of thinking. I think many of us on here that think it is a womans choice do think that abortions are a shame and are sad, but I don't know how to compare that to a child's lifetime of pain, hence the term euthanasia.

I find it interesting that the only time conservatives like government in there lives is when they want to stop people from doing things there bible tells them are wrong. It seems completely contradictory to the main beliefs of government from conservatives.

oh now its euthanasia. of course it is. i would think a guy with your intelligence would have come up with something better than that. how can you or anybody possibly know if a child is going to have a lifetime of pain? now that is a poor attempt at self-deificatioin. and thats another question i have... how can you possibly say that it is a shame and sad that women do have abortions? what's your basis for that? the next guy says its cool... whatever blows your dress up man. whats his basis? whos to say that i cant euthanize somebody(anybody) i deem sufficiently deserving? its lunacy and circular.

oh yeah you didnt answer why it isnt murder... you just tried to justify why your opinion is valid. also i purposely didnt bring the bible(religion) nomenclature into it as i know where you stand. funny thing what do you think the rule for establishing government tenants was? hmmm conspicuoulsy alot of similarities with "my bible".