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Albany Parking Area

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It seems that safesnowrider made his point by simply asking the question. Albany Mountain has a vested interest in that parking lot and the people that camp in it. He makes his living from it and good for him. It's the American way but please don't think we don't know that.
The question was, "Do you remind folks it is not a camping area?" I don't think you do. You are in a tough position. You have to play both sides of the fence. I've always enjoyed doing business there and will continue for now. I've been going since I was a kid and it was a little cabin looking shack but I don't kid myself about where you stand on camping in that parking lot. Please don't you try to kid me either. Answering fair questions with a "what's your point” and being a wise *** just seems to sidestep the issue and for you and that may equate to bad business. It made me raise an eyebrow. You should care if they camp there. If you don’t, it makes you appear to be part of the problem. Good luck. You are in a unique position.

More questions, questions, and statements.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
I make my living with the railroad.

Again I could care less that people camp there.

I have sold no one hamburgers, beer, gas staying at the parking lot.

Whatever Albany Lodge does or how they run their business has no bearing on my presence in Albany.

I have been an advocate of keeping some order at the lot with phone calls and discussion with pertainent Forest Service managers, even questioning the lack of information regarding camping.

Do I remind people not to camp there (you don't think I do), no.
I tell them to go to AlbanyCabins.com and hopefully we can accomodiate them, as we have many good people staying there so they don't need to camp
My wife and I run AlbanyCabins which we own. We provide exclusive private parking for our guests so they don't need to deal with the turmoil of the dreaded lot.

So as I read questions that make no sense to me and have no bearing on me, I can ask for more detail and should be able to do so without being called a liar or a cheat, walking both sides of the fence.

Lets try changing this thread instead from how many complaints we have about Albany Parking; to how many letters and phone calls YOU have made regarding the situation at the lot and demand some proper management for the money you spend there. Ollie does stuff like this and attends meetings and such.

Please refer to Albany Lodge about any hamburger, beer, parking, theft, and camping questions.
And thanks for the thoughtout answer, although I must say, you are mistaken on many points
 
Please excuse my comments. I truly thought you were the lodge. My apologies. I have made phone calls to the forest service about this matter.
 
Ditto on the apology- I made the connection to the lodge in your first post- second paragraph- when you mentioned Albany Lodge- I assumed-incorrectly-by the way- you were the Lodge. My apologies
 
Nobody has answered the question on how overnight parking affects the not enough space issue. If a camper leaves at 10 at night and is back at 5 in the morning he still takes up the same space. I understand rules or rules but just answer the question.

And on a side note isn't overnight parking a little broad without parking hours behind it. I mean if I leave at 1130pm, pull out onto the road, and return at 1230 am was it considered overnight?
 
Nobody has answered the question on how overnight parking affects the not enough space issue. If a camper leaves at 10 at night and is back at 5 in the morning he still takes up the same space. I understand rules or rules but just answer the question.

And on a side note isn't overnight parking a little broad without parking hours behind it. I mean if I leave at 1130pm, pull out onto the road, and return at 1230 am was it considered overnight?

The main issue of camping (or overnight parking with self contained units), per the Forest Service, is when they contract out the snow plowing of the lot, there are too many vehicles in place to allow for efficient plowing of the lot. This is what their basis was last year when they were leaning on the no camping issue. It was not really an issue of capacity, just snow removal. So the empty space vacated at night allows for snow removal at night. There of course are the complaints about snow removal (or lack of it) and people get stuck the next morning in the lot. Kinda darned if you do, darned if you don't.:confused:

I put forth to them that a multitude of people come for the weekend or more to the lot and area. With no notice given last year, it would burden many that drove to the area with overnight parking in mind. Ranger Romero told me at that point the executive order regarding by the supervisor had not been completed and seemed to go ahead and really, look the other way. So for the most part, the ruling of no overnight parking was not enforced. At least up to now. If I had to deal with it, I would suggest a 72 hour rule regarding parking while ticketing unattached trailers that happens often.

So that didn't help the situation of snow removal in the lot and I am guessing that the contractor would do what he could during the slower weekdays (or week nights) in which the usage is greatly reduced.

Regarding the pre-midnight departure; like anything else if we (or they) are cutting straws on this technicality, then I would venture to say that new rules would need to be made regarding lot hours (say from 8 am to 8 pm). That would eliminate the issue as you stated, but again another "freedom" taken away.

Just another problem resulting from too little paradise for so many people.
 
Ditto on the apology- I made the connection to the lodge in your first post- second paragraph- when you mentioned Albany Lodge- I assumed-incorrectly-by the way- you were the Lodge. My apologies

Albany Mountain, I'm next in line. I thought you were the lodge. I made the same assumption. I gave you a bunch of grief for no reason at all. My sincerest apologies. You were probably wondering what the hell some of us were talking about. Sorry.
 
Nobody has answered the question on how overnight parking affects the not enough space issue. If a camper leaves at 10 at night and is back at 5 in the morning he still takes up the same space. I understand rules or rules but just answer the question.

And on a side note isn't overnight parking a little broad without parking hours behind it. I mean if I leave at 1130pm, pull out onto the road, and return at 1230 am was it considered overnight?

Skidoo eater, I don't have an answer but only an opinion. You are right; a camper takes up the same space no matter when it is there. If that camper leaves at the end of the day (conforming to the spirit of the rule) then the playing field is leveled for everyone looking to get that space in the morning.
I think that if a camper leaves at 11:30 and shows back up at 12:30 then that camper has just done an end run on that rule. I want that rule enforced and it sounds like you want it changed and that is fine (different sides of the same coin) but until it's changed, I wish people would respect it and not try to find ways around it. Finally, times do need to be established so that is clearly defined as to what constitutes “Overnight Parking” (I don’t know if they are or not).
 
Nobody has answered the question on how overnight parking affects the not enough space issue. If a camper leaves at 10 at night and is back at 5 in the morning he still takes up the same space. I understand rules or rules but just answer the question.

And on a side note isn't overnight parking a little broad without parking hours behind it. I mean if I leave at 1130pm, pull out onto the road, and return at 1230 am was it considered overnight?

The problem (as i see it) isn't the parking overnight.
It's the situation i ran into when I got there.
Here's the RV, they have a 4' pull out, a 6 place trailer parked 10' off to one side (taking up a total of 2 extra spots) then they have 6 sleds parked in another spot.

Had they parked along the side and left the trailer hooked up to the RV and parked the sleds either out of the way or on the side of the hill there would have been no problem.

It's just people being rude. They didn't think of anyone or anything other than what they wanted. Simple curtousy would have cured the whole problem
 
Ollie, well said. That's why I took offense to it was because all campers got the blame. Overnight parking wrong? Yes according to their rules. But it's no different than the trailers left there. Thanks again Ollie for your thoughts, and I hope this doesn't create hard feelings among people fighting for the privilege of the same sport.
 
The problem (as i see it) isn't the parking overnight.
It's the situation i ran into when I got there.
Here's the RV, they have a 4' pull out, a 6 place trailer parked 10' off to one side (taking up a total of 2 extra spots) then they have 6 sleds parked in another spot.

Had they parked along the side and left the trailer hooked up to the RV and parked the sleds either out of the way or on the side of the hill there would have been no problem.

It's just people being rude. They didn't think of anyone or anything other than what they wanted. Simple curtousy would have cured the whole problem

you could not be more correct. that is the reason that i went off the handle at fist too. we are always tying to take up the least amount of space as possible.
 
Ollies last post was the exact reason why I started this thread. I never imagined that it would have gotten this much response. Apparently, I was not the only one concerned with this issue.

I am glad to say that I parked at Green Rock today and for as many vehicles as there were, it all seemed pretty orderly......good to see. The wind and blowing snow were horrible on the east side, so we went over to the west side near French Creek. The snow was awesome, I love riding in deep powder, today was the perfect day.
 
I know what you mean, I got nailed as well during this thread. and I thought I was being good:rolleyes:

KL

Yeah you did. A couple of us misunderstood your post(me included) and gave you some grief(no red rep from here, i'll sign mine). I still feel bad. I asked you some pretty direct questions thinking you were the associated with the lodge. I apologize again.
 
Coming from a former western rider (Utah) and now a flatlander. Day parking means day parking. Don't justify you're actions because you travel from great distances spend lots of coin etc. The rules and policies are in place for a reason. I'm confident that the few that violate these rules are generally nice people that are simply caught up in the moment and just want to get out and have fun and enjoy the Wyoming experience. Just take the extra few minutes think it through and do the right thing.
 
Coming from a former western rider (Utah) and now a flatlander. Day parking means day parking. Don't justify you're actions because you travel from great distances spend lots of coin etc. The rules and policies are in place for a reason. I'm confident that the few that violate these rules are generally nice people that are simply caught up in the moment and just want to get out and have fun and enjoy the Wyoming experience. Just take the extra few minutes think it through and do the right thing.

not sure if you are familiar with the area or lot, but the only real alternatives to staying in the lot is to drive back to laramie (40 miles) or stay at a motel, cabin or lodge. if you hafta drive 80 miles round trip with trailer, you might as well stay at the motel aside from paying campground fees. doesn't justify breaking rules, but somehow the lot needs expansion to help with the demand.

hog
 
With the growing popularity of the snowies I am hoping they expand the lot to include overnight camping. THey could charge more (no offence guys) and make it a lot nicer. They did put in new outhouses (MUCH APPRICIATED).
 
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