Damn. I don't have any of those. Will they help me ride my rmk better?
2023 cat. Where is it?
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Damn. I don't have any of those. Will they help me ride my rmk better?
Boat shoes are fine but I'll pass on the flat brim hat.
wow this has turned into a bunch of I'm right your wrong.im a cat guy,simply because i grew up on them and stuck with them.i have had over all good luck with minor issues mostly and maybe a handful on catastrophic failures.i strongly believe it don't matter what it is,proper care and maintenance is key with anything.i ride Harleys simply because of the culture and dealer support.i have also had good luck with Harleys.but the Indian die hards claim harley to be junk.in the 26 years of mountain riding i have seen more Polaris brought in at the end of rope more than others,i am not being biased.i really wanted to buy a 2011 pro.thought ill wait to see what others experience with them.after all the catastrophic failures i seen first hand.kept me on my heavy,slow reliable cat.many good riding days were cut short do to a polaris in the group.im one to change many things from stock to aftermarket.so i really don't care what they come out with knowing ill be changing a majority of it.and really,people want so much from the oem,my thinking is if the oem gives us everything....say goodbye to the aftermarket guys.ive yet to wish i had an 850,the 800 flat out runs for being the underdog,factory turbo sleds are different story.i do think big names promoting a brand sells a lot of this and that,its cool because this guy has it.i don't buy into youtube stars,i know how i ride and the conditions i ride,its not always blower pow days.it simply comes down to the $$$ a company wants to spend to promote.at the end of the day,if the owner runs the ball bag out of it with ZERO care/maintenance....there will be issues.its like the farmer who parks his equipment in snowbanks for the winter , come spring fire it up and run it....issues....blame this and that.when you point a finger,theres always 3 pointing back at you!as far as innovation,well someone is always in the shadows watching what others are doing and bam,here they are with the latest and greatest and light years ahead of whats been great from others for years.im not one to expect it all from manufacturers,i go aftermarket on many things to be different and support the local guy.one manufacturer/local i have never supported is wrap companies.i just don't want that attention haha
I hope they come out with something new and exciting this year. I plan to snowcheck next year and I don't want to order a first year model of anything. With Doo's Gen5 and Poo's 900 releasing this year, they'll both have a year on the snow to work out most of the bugs and I'll hopefully get a chance to try them both out to see how I like them. I'd really like to be able to do the same for a new Cat sled as well, because at this point I have no idea which brand I'll be ordering next year.
Is this really what the cat guys are clinging onto? How sad...
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This guy is actually really awesome and he's funny too lol. About right unfortunately...
One guy in our group still has a Cat. It has been a good sled for him with some issues.
He, like many others I suspect, would like a lighter version of what he has with more features. But mostly, he just wants something new, not the same old same old. So, his Cat is for sale.
Right or wrong, a lot of people feel that way about things they have had for a while when other things made by other brands are updated and yours is not. They feel, true or not, that they are being left behind. Call it marketing or peer pressure or irrational, but it is a real phenomenon with real-world impacts in retail.
Competition is good - here’s hoping Cat does some great new stuff soon!
He, like many others I suspect, would like a lighter version of what he has with more features. But mostly, he just wants something new, not the same old same old. So, his Cat is for sale.
Right or wrong, a lot of people feel that way about things they have had for a while when other things made by other brands are updated and yours is not. They feel, true or not, that they are being left behind. Call it marketing or peer pressure or irrational, but it is a real phenomenon with real-world impacts in retail.
Competition is good - here’s hoping Cat does some great new stuff soon!
Heidi McNary
this is whos is in charge of artic cat power sports division. Someone who's phone isn't about to die (like mine) email her a link to this thread. She has a Facebook page too but iam a noob and couldn't post to it cause iam dumb. She's young , has kids, and travels alot lol. She just went to Egypt to see the pyramids! So let's all hassle her for better ****e and see what happens!! Hey Heidi, when your done looking at sarcophaguses(?) Can we please get a new chassis and some displacement!! Maybe a smart phone gauge in the works too? After your trips fine but soon...
this is whos is in charge of artic cat power sports division. Someone who's phone isn't about to die (like mine) email her a link to this thread. She has a Facebook page too but iam a noob and couldn't post to it cause iam dumb. She's young , has kids, and travels alot lol. She just went to Egypt to see the pyramids! So let's all hassle her for better ****e and see what happens!! Hey Heidi, when your done looking at sarcophaguses(?) Can we please get a new chassis and some displacement!! Maybe a smart phone gauge in the works too? After your trips fine but soon...
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I don't understand the lack of marketing by AC/Textron. With the prices of new sleds and complexity they could refine the current models and keep prices lower and market themselves as a less expensive and reliable option, much like the Japanese dual sport motorcycles like the Kawasaki KLR 650 and Suzuki DRZ 400 for example. They could keep loyal fans by doing some basic upgrades such as raised platform (like an Ice Age kit), taper the tunnel and snowflap, bring back a MC dual rail option, and keep the price competitively less then doo and poo. They have been working with Garmin on the dirt side, so why not offer a Garmin/AC gauge upgrade? Maybe these are things in the works, but they sure have failed on the marketing side. The Black Cats is about all that's out there, but if they wanted to kickstart their marketing bring in some of the social media guys like Muskoka, Syxxes, and maybe try and bring back Chris Burandt as brand ambassadors. Probably get more bang for the buck marketing exposure that way then all the model reveal shows and traditional advertising.
I've read a bunch of forums and heard tons of people say that "its the same as a 12 model" etc etc and it just proves that the marketing is a huge factor in the lower sales when compared to the other brands. I've ridden cats since 2011 starting with an M series and now on an 18 mtn cat so ive always payed attention to the new changes every year, but i just read on a ski doo forum someone said "there just like a 12 but changed some plastics or something in 18" they litterally think that in 10 years all thats changed is a little plastic. Dont get me wrong should they lose some weight yes belt drive yes more power sure, but i ride an 18 that a ski doo 850 cant touch on a hill, swapped riders the doo still couldnt touch the cat. Axys and now the matryx seem like good sleds but by no means miles ahead out on the snow but people have to go by what they see and ski doo and polaris have great marketing saying how this new thing and that new thing are the best and cat just says hey we got some sleds for sale. there is another thread in the ascender page that a guy said he saw a few New cats with what he thought was new chassis intriguing at least.
I didn't hear anything about a turbo on the Cat either; if so, that's impressive no matter the circumstances. Not sure how pulling a hill would have made much difference, but it'd be really wild to see any stock Cat out-climb a turbo.
There's definitely some truth to the criticism of Cat's marketing. There are some people who've never even rode with a Cat in the group, and with all the hype over 850s and turbos and all, it's easy to assume a sled with "just" an 800 can't keep up. Always hard to predict what'll resonate, but Cat could come up with a marketing campaign showing their sleds hanging with and beating the "bigger, badder" Doos and Poos. They might have to be selective on conditions, and probably stick to NA sled comparisons and ignore the turbo, but that's pretty much what marketing departments do. Also, it wouldn't cost that much to come up with a cohesive message and some things to hype. How much mileage did Polaris get out of "flickable?" Cat did used to have some pretty good marketing...
Put a turbo on a jack stand and see how much boost it makes. Big bores will even make more difference on a hill than in a drag race.
I don't know why people get so butt hurt over people saying it's basically a 12. So far from the truth it's not even worth discussing with them. 12 was a pile should have came in 12 with what they came with in 14. Even the little underpowered pro would spank them. It's like calling a Matryx an axys or xm a xp. So far from the truth it's not even funny. Completely different sleds. People get too clouded with brand loyalty.
So Waite what...textron owns them both? And klim and snowbike thing? Or is that super old and they sold already? Iam confused lol
Ok so...dude who created polaris goes on to create artic cat? Text-only buys polaris. Text-only buys artic cat. So there's no way in hell they are not sharing tech or foundries or machining or engineering....
Any snowmobile history buffs wanna tell me the whole story just for fun?
Any snowmobile history buffs wanna tell me the whole story just for fun?
Textron sold Polaris in like 1981. They don’t own both.
One of the founding members that started Polaris split off and started the company that would become Arctic Cat. As stated Textron owned Polaris much earlier and sold it. No overlap between Polaris and Arctic Cat on an engineering or manufacturing level. There are some companies that have supplied parts to both, TEAM clutches and Hayes brakes for example, but nothing is really the same design other than the Hayes master cylinders and secondary clutches for a few years.
Much of the Cat history can be read here: https://www.bosscatlegacy.com/acproto/acprotohis.htm
An old Hot rodder like yourself would probably enjoy checking out some of the old Boss Cat race iron too! https://www.bosscatlegacy.com/sitemap/sitemap.htm
The parent company that now owns Polaris also owns Klim, Timbersled, Ice Age, and probably some others. Arctic Cat bought Motorfist before the Textron buyout, and they've done a good job of trying to run that into the ground too.
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