2022?

[GoBigParts]

Expllain how we are ridiculous. I never said anything bad about you or Arctic Cat. I just had to laugh a little about some not being able to see the significance in what Polaris just released. Had it been Cat I am sure you would be falling all over yourselves to get on one as would I.

 

[mountaincat 800]

I didn't say that you said anything bad about Cat. I said you two are boasting Polaris on the wrong forum! Get it?

 

[Vern]

Most who talk trash about Polaris reliability haven't ridden them since before 2010. I would have a bad taste in my mouth too.

And most who talk trash on the newer cats haven’t ridden one newer than a 2015, yet claim a 2021 is the same as a 2012 and we all know that is not true.

Let’s not act like the 11-15 poo were any better than the pre 2010. My group is pretty closely split between cat and poo with probably a few more poo than cat, so while I may have given up on poo before 2010 I’m still very familiar with them up to ‘18 or so. Haven’t had any 850s in the group yet. One season alone we had 4 pro chassis sleds lose engines and 2 of them were 2015s. It’s a big enough issue that even some of the diehard Polaris riders in our group will not buy 800s, instead they take the power hit and ride 6’s just for the reliability. I will say that so far the axys 8’s have been fine both turbod and not, other than one guy can’t get more than 50 miles out of a primary spring for some reason.

I don’t think anyone in here would argue with you about the list of simple updates that you posted that would make a big improvement to the cat sled, but it is what it is.

 

[NHRoadking]

Trying to compare new sleds for 2022. Cannot find the dry weight for Cat's mountain sleds on their website.

Is it there somewhere?

 

[Vern]

........ So I was seeing punk kids and rippers and try hards and posers all on a modified Polaris. I know these things are un true but thats what I saw because it was a stereotype not because its true......... I'll leave the Polaris to the kid with the lifted dodge lol.........

Stereotypes are usually based on facts. This one included, both parts, at least in my neck of the woods

 

[Pinchecharlie]

Ok...so I should say...that as a brand new guy struggling to do any side hill or stay up right and un stuck....I have seen guys ripping all brands! And the best guy I ever rode with (Rasmussen guide) made his skidoo look effortless And I asked him to ride my little blast (yes its gay) and dude ripped the crap out of it! So I guess just cause I can't rip a khaos doesn't mean others can't. I saw a guy on an old m8 all hotroded and making an awful racket, just tear the crap out of a mountain side and outa sight. Holly crap! So basically before some punk kid in a lifted dodge with a khaos on a homemade sled deck kicks my a$$ I thought I'd say if you can ride like burandt you probably should have one! And I bet burandt could rip an alpha no problem?!

 

[line8]

Ok...so I should say...that as a brand new guy struggling to do any side hill or stay up right and un stuck....I have seen guys ripping all brands! And the best guy I ever rode with (Rasmussen guide) made his skidoo look effortless And I asked him to ride my little blast (yes its gay) and dude ripped the crap out of it! So I guess just cause I can't rip a khaos doesn't mean others can't. I saw a guy on an old m8 all hotroded and making an awful racket, just tear the crap out of a mountain side and outa sight. Holly crap! So basically before some punk kid in a lifted dodge with a khaos on a homemade sled deck kicks my a$$ I thought I'd say if you can ride like burandt you probably should have one! And I bet burandt could rip an alpha no problem?!

I’ll never forget my first 2/several years of snowmobiling for everything you said here, exactly.
It’s still amazing to me my first memories of watching people do things like that and all the sounds.


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[Pinchecharlie]

I do hope that artic cat re vamps its snowmobiles. The dealer told me (dunno if its true) that the engine in the blast was a yamaha. I know yamaha as a whole takes alot of grief in the snowmobile world but their success in motor sports and engineering is hard to argue with . So having a capable mountain sled with a reliable powerful engine would , I assume bring alot of credibility . I think artic cat needs to start hiring some young unknown rippers who do the whole blog thing and breath the same fresh air in as these others. It is such a sad and true loss for them and all the snowmobile world that rob Kincade passed. Of course the proofs in the pudding so they gotta do something. Is it true they recently went under new ownership? Are they re tooling you think? Historically are they more conservative?

 

[Devilmanak]

Expllain how we are rediculas. I never said anything bad about you or Arctic Cat just had to laugh a little aboutout not being able to see the significants in what Polaris just released. Had it been CAt I am sure you would be falling all over yourselves to get on one as would I.

Mmm. Every post you have created has spelling and/or and capitalization issues. This one above blows my mind a bit. If you advertise your business through posts, you probably ought to get the basics down? Makes you look bad. Just saying.

 

[GoBigParts]

Mmm. Every post you have created has spelling and/or and capitalization issues. This one above blows my mind a bit. If you advertise your business through posts, you probably ought to get the basics down? Makes you look bad. Just saying.

Sorry not very good using phone keyboard. Tough crowd if your not a cat guy I guess. I just like to talk sleds.

 

[mountaincat 800]

Sorry not very good using phone keyboard. Tough crowd if your not a cat guy I guess. I just like to talk sleds.

Looks more like trying to stir the pot and sell sled parts to me. ? Good luck.

 

[goridedoo]

Looks more like trying to stir the pot and sell sled parts to me. ? Good luck.

Oh c'mon, don't dirtbag him like that, his business has nothing to do with this conversation. Grow up.

 

[boondocker97]

I do hope that artic cat re vamps its snowmobiles. The dealer told me (dunno if its true) that the engine in the blast was a yamaha. I know yamaha as a whole takes alot of grief in the snowmobile world but their success in motor sports and engineering is hard to argue with . So having a capable mountain sled with a reliable powerful engine would , I assume bring alot of credibility . I think artic cat needs to start hiring some young unknown rippers who do the whole blog thing and breath the same fresh air in as these others. It is such a sad and true loss for them and all the snowmobile world that rob Kincade passed. Of course the proofs in the pudding so they gotta do something. Is it true they recently went under new ownership? Are they re tooling you think? Historically are they more conservative?

I'm pretty sure the engine in the Blast sleds is an Arctic Cat design and made in their engine plant in St. Cloud. They do use some Yamaha 4 strokes though in the 200 and the big triple cylinder.

Textron bought Arctic Cat a couple years ago. I think mostly for the off-road dirt side of things. If they could make some cuts and get the snowmobiles profitable they'd keep them. If not they'd be gone. So things got a little stale before Textron would commit anymore money to the program. They saw some profits and started making some changes (Blast sleds and Alpha Rail). New things were slated for 2022, but Textron shut down early last year and basically eliminated 1/2 a season of testing. Which pushed everything out a year. Just what I hear through a grapevine.

What most people, myself included, are upset with is that when that happened they seemingly put little effort into relatively easy improvements for 2022. That being said coming from an engineering industry I understand that nothing happens fast in the corporate world. For every set of changes it takes 3 weeks minimum on the engineering side to make updates (1 week for design, 1 week to update drawings, 1 week for QC). Then it goes out for testing for a few weeks, then comes back for any revisions. So you're looking at a couple months to get those changes finalized. Then there's the supply chain to get sorted out. Right now in my industry we are seeing 5-6 month lead times on some items that were 6-12 weeks pre-covid. It's not a hoax or excuse. And that's after they get a purchase order (not counting the bid and quote process). It's a lot different supply agreement for 1000 sets of running board extrusions than 20,000 on a production run. Then there's tooling changes to accommodate that. It's easy to cuss things when you're on the outside looking in. Polaris offering only 2500 turbo sleds this year just goes to show how parts supplies can be limiting. Plus it limits their warranty liability on a new powerplant combination!

 

[mountaincat 800]

Oh c'mon, don't dirtbag him like that, his business has nothing to do with this conversation. Grow up.

Oh I get it! Only good guys like yourself can dish out the crap. foad

 

[Clark42]

I think artic cat needs to start hiring some young unknown rippers who do the whole blog thing and breath the same fresh air in as these others.

If they were smart they would be throwing money at people who already have a social media following. They need well-known riders to promote their product in order to correct established 'word of mouth' such as the saying that the 2022 is a 2012 with new plastics.

Notice how Lynx/BRP picked up Ross Robinson from BBA, A brand/product with a bunch of question marks now has a well known snowmobiler with a huge following making quality content promoting your product.

Cat should be pursuing any unsigned snowmobiler that has a social media presence (20k+ followers on a platform, youtube presence, ect.). Polaris seems like they're so good at this portion of marketing. They have a whole army of 'regular joes' acting as walking billboards for them. Just go over to the Polaris section and count the amount of times you see the phrase "Polaris Ambassador". People with some sort of pull, whether Snowest popularity or social media presence, Polaris throws them a nickel and gets free advertisement all over the place

 

[Pinchecharlie]

Just curious if artic cat or textron has issued a mission statement or has committed to the snowmobile industry or if their short selling it? Of course thats an un informed statement but iam allways surprised how big money makes money.

 

[Vern]

If they were smart they would be throwing money at people who already have a social media following. They need well-known riders to promote their product in order to correct established 'word of mouth' such as the saying that the 2022 is a 2012 with new plastics.

Notice how Lynx/BRP picked up Ross Robinson from BBA, A brand/product with a bunch of question marks now has a well known snowmobiler with a huge following making quality content promoting your product.

Cat should be pursuing any unsigned snowmobiler that has a social media presence (20k+ followers on a platform, youtube presence, ect.). Polaris seems like they're so good at this portion of marketing. They have a whole army of 'regular joes' acting as walking billboards for them. Just go over to the Polaris section and count the amount of times you see the phrase "Polaris Ambassador". People with some sort of pull, whether Snowest popularity or social media presence, Polaris throws them a nickel and gets free advertisement all over the place

And this, IMO, is the number 1 reason Polaris is crushing it. Not because of the product itself, the sled may work, but they are not that much better performing than anything else on the snow. They know how to use social media better than any other brand.

 

[Pinchecharlie]

Its allways the hot rod guys that get things noticed. How does artic cat do with racing? Are they competitive? Some serious opportunities for those willing to put themselves out there!! I know a red bull athlete and he is lwell taken care of but wakes up terrified everyday lol.

 

[NHRoadking]

Marketing gets attention, but quality, innovation and features probably sell more sleds.

 

[Fredde_Swe]

If they were smart they would be throwing money at people who already have a social media following. They need well-known riders to promote their product in order to correct established 'word of mouth' such as the saying that the 2022 is a 2012 with new plastics.

Notice how Lynx/BRP picked up Ross Robinson from BBA, A brand/product with a bunch of question marks now has a well known snowmobiler with a huge following making quality content promoting your product.

Cat should be pursuing any unsigned snowmobiler that has a social media presence (20k+ followers on a platform, youtube presence, ect.). Polaris seems like they're so good at this portion of marketing. They have a whole army of 'regular joes' acting as walking billboards for them. Just go over to the Polaris section and count the amount of times you see the phrase "Polaris Ambassador". People with some sort of pull, whether Snowest popularity or social media presence, Polaris throws them a nickel and gets free advertisement all over the place

Wish Cat would take a look at Muskoka Freerider and sign him. Great content, seems to be a nice guy and a steadily growing following number. He’s on a Doo but money talks?