2022?

[goridedoo]

You die hards should be pissed at Cat for giving you the same sled... once again, what's this year 4 of no changes? Oh yeah, new clutch. Sweet. Same old azz chassis, still an 800. Who's gonna get excited about that? No one. Clearly. They are the laughing stock of the sled industry right now. Quit defending them. Don't blame their marketing, its part of the problem, but its not THE problem.

"Why change what works" ok... ride a 97 Powder Special, they worked great. That's a terrible take. I expect Vern will be riding a 2018 for the remainder of his life, because it works.

Polaris just changed what works, and they did something to the tune of 50 million in sales in under 24hrs ? That's what an additional 90hp at the same weight as the competition in an extremely refined chassis does for you.

 

[Vern]

You die hards should be pissed at Cat for giving you the same sled... once again, what's this year 4 of no changes? Oh yeah, new clutch. Sweet. Same old azz chassis, still an 800. Who's gonna get excited about that? No one. Clearly. They are the laughing stock of the sled industry right now. Quit defending them. Don't blame their marketing, its part of the problem, but its not THE problem.

"Why change what works" ok... ride a 97 Powder Special, they worked great. That's a terrible take. I expect Vern will be riding a 2018 for the remainder of his life, because it works.

Polaris just changed what works, and they did something to the tune of 50 million in sales in under 24hrs ? That's what an additional 90hp at the same weight as the competition in an extremely refined chassis does for you.

Because that’s what I said? We have sleds that work, so we no longer need to progress. ? I said there’s no need to change for the sake of change. For instance, the ctec8 is still new and in the same ball park for hp as the 850s so I see no need to be crying over 50cc. The whole point of my post is that cat sleds are still as good as anything on the snow and IMO they are not years behind the competition. Especially when most of the competitions hot new features are all features that cat has had for years. Most people don’t even realize that cat has had those features, or really any other features, for years. This is where the lack of marketing comes in. Cat has basically no marketing.

 

[goridedoo]

I don’t get the need for new just to have new, when something works. Yes there are things that could be updated, but the base chassis is good.

I don't get it I guess? Looks to me like that's exactly what you said. I mean yeah, the manufactures should fix things like intakes that don't work in deep snow, but they should also improve and make the other WORKING parts of the sled work better.

I would sure as hell be welcoming to the idea of 50cc if I were you, especially when the competition has an extra 50cc AND boost.

^^^ That said I will not argue with you that the Cat 800 with run right with the other NA 850s. It will. But an additional 50cc would be great, why wouldn't you want that?

Cat makes a good sled, it is VERY capable but there is ALOT of refinement that could be done VERY EASILY, and I just don't understand not doing so, it makes no sense to me, none. Like every year I watch the release wondering what their R&D spends their time doing? In 3 years time you have gotten a clutch. Thats it. A new clutch. It really is like they have just said fuk it the last 5 years.

 

[turboless terry]

You die hards should be pissed at Cat for giving you the same sled... once again, what's this year 4 of no changes? Oh yeah, new clutch. Sweet. Same old azz chassis, still an 800. Who's gonna get excited about that? No one. Clearly. They are the laughing stock of the sled industry right now. Quit defending them. Don't blame their marketing, its part of the problem, but its not THE problem.

"Why change what works" ok... ride a 97 Powder Special, they worked great. That's a terrible take. I expect Vern will be riding a 2018 for the remainder of his life, because it works.

Polaris just changed what works, and they did something to the tune of 50 million in sales in under 24hrs ? That's what an additional 90hp at the same weight as the competition in an extremely refined chassis does for you.

They aren't the laughing stock. Thats yamaha.

 

[BlueDevil]

I wouldn’t trade a ctec for and patriot 850. No way no how. Have you ever rode a stock 850??? Its like riding a couch. I agree with Vern 100%. Sometimes less is more and Polaris has had engine reliability issues for years and now they turbo it???? Glad I’m not dropping 20k to be a guinea pig. Cat didn’t change hardly anything but why is that bad??? The alpha flat works and it is the best stock sled on the market hands down.
But yes lack of changes and updates have and will hurt sales. So yes cat hurt themselves on sales but that doesn’t mean the alpha is a vintage sled that’s outta date.

 

[Vern]

I don't get it I guess? Looks to me like that's exactly what you said. I mean yeah, the manufactures should fix things like intakes that don't work in deep snow, but they should also improve and make the other WORKING parts of the sled work better.

I would sure as hell be welcoming to the idea of 50cc if I were you, especially when the competition has and extra 50cc AND boost.

^^^ That said will not argue with you that the Cat 800 with run right with the other NA 850s. It will. But an additional 50cc would be great, why wouldn't you want that?

Cat makes a good sled, it is VERY capable but there is ALOT of refinement that could be done VERY EASILY, and I just don't understand not doing so, it makes no sense to me, none. Like every year I watch the release wondering what their R&D spends their time doing? In 3 years time you have gotten a clutch. Thats it. A new clutch. It really is like they have just said fuk it the last 5 years.

It takes a lot of time to work the bugs out of a new engine, why would I want to buy something rushed out right after they had just barely released an engine they spent years on to get right? Especially when the current engine is already competitive with the bigger competitors engines. If I wanted to got back to shotty unreliable engines I’d start riding Polaris again. That is the exact reason I left Polaris for cat in the first place.

I agree that the cat chassis would benefit from some slight changes, I myself have been on the wanting new running boards band wagon for a few years now, But I think the main chassis itself is solid and performs well.

 

[goridedoo]

It takes a lot of time to work the bugs out of a new engine, why would I want to buy something rushed out right after they had just barely released an engine they spent years on to get right? Especially when the current engine is already competitive with the bigger competitors engines. If I wanted to got back to shotty unreliable engines I’d start riding Polaris again. That is the exact reason I left Polaris for cat in the first place.

I agree that the cat chassis would benefit from some slight changes, I myself have been on the wanting new running boards band wagon for a few years now, But I think the main chassis itself is solid and performs well.

Just barely released? The Ctec is now going on its 5th year for 2022. For reference, the Axys 800 motor was on the snow for 3 years before the addition of the 850. The 850 is a good motor, with the exception of a few 2019s that weren’t built properly.

The 850 Etec received a turbo after 3.5 years.

 

[CB.8]

Dear cat,

Please give us a $hit motor so that two years from now you can “fix” it and make us drool that I can now get 1500 miles on the new motor.

Please take the best track in the industry and give us one that sucks so next year you can release one that only sucks a little and then the year after that give us one that even sucks more.

I hear bamboo is light and strong. Please make my next set of a arms out of that please using elmers glue, so the after market companies can make some money.

I also hear that the short tunnels and the short coolers that you have been using for years don’t work and that they are a gimmick.

For the sake of weight, I don’t like my big gas tank cause fuel weighs a lot and I just ride to the warming hut to drink beer. Maybe make half of the gas tank a cooler. That will get you sled of the year for sure!

Last but not least please put friggin 860 sticker on the hood, doo and cat riders won’t know it is just a sticker.

I will give Polaris and Skidoo credit for the bringing the factory boost, but unless you live in Utah how many people can ride a stock 800 to its potential? Who can afford a 20+k sled? Not me!

We are so lucky to have the factory sleds we have today. There is not a bad one in the bunch. Could they be better? Yes but at what cost?

 

[goridedoo]

Dear Cat,
Please give us the 2012 ProClimb every year until 2030, we would hate for you to rush any changes.

Love,
The die hards in the green blinders

 

[CB.8]

For the record I rode Polaris for 22 years and grew up in a Polaris dealership literally. In 2008, after 15 plus years of Polaris not making a motor that would last 2 seasons I made the switch to Cat. I am proud to say besides one stator issue cat has never left me stranded.

I am glad that I didn’t suffer with the boys of blue for the next 8 to 10 years with crappy under powered sleds.

My next sled will probably be a Polaris if the wheels on the bus don’t fall off for another 25 years of motor whoas.

 

[turboless terry]

I wouldn’t trade a ctec for and patriot 850. No way no how. Have you ever rode a stock 850??? Its like riding a couch. I agree with Vern 100%. Sometimes less is more and Polaris has had engine reliability issues for years and now they turbo it???? Glad I’m not dropping 20k to be a guinea pig. Cat didn’t change hardly anything but why is that bad??? The alpha flat works and it is the best stock sled on the market hands down.
But yes lack of changes and updates have and will hurt sales. So yes cat hurt themselves on sales but that doesn’t mean the alpha is a vintage sled that’s outta date.

I would. Giving up my alpha for a boost. I've rode a stock 850. My wife's kaos runs stellar. The cat doesn't have as much power. Runs really good but falls off up top. The ctec doesn't have a perfect record either. Polaris had a few issues on the 19s. 19 cats were going down too.the alpha is awesome but saying it's the best sled is a stretch. The 850 kaos is probably the best all around sled. It does everything pretty well. The alpha does certain things awesome and some it sucks. The alpha is more user specific. The best sled is really up to the user. The boost has more power, lighter, narrower, bigger tank with estart, better boards, better fit and finish, a belt holder, easier to work on, more storage, a better gauge that you can see the temp, more warranty without buying extra, sits up out of the snow, shorter tunnel, runs in deep snow, better skis, belt drive even though i don't think it is as big a deal as everyone says. Steers twice as easy. They also use less oil and gas.
Cat has alpha rail and the best track. So yes i would say it's really subjective

 

[Vern]

Dear Cat,
Please give us the 2012 ProClimb every year until 2030, we would hate for you to rush any changes.

Love,
The die hards in the green blinders

Polaris slaps a short cooler and new plastics on an axys to get the matryx and it becomes a “highly refined” new chassis. Cat makes even more changes and refinements from the 2012 proclimb to the ascender platform and they’re made fun of and treat as if the 2012 and 2021 are the exact same sled.

Why is that?

 

[Dam Dave]

exactly, and the short cooler is a copy of a 2013 Pro Climb lol

they even said in the Polaris release that every suspension part from an Axys bolts directly onto a Matrix lol the Matrix is not a new chassis

 

[GoBigParts]

Polaris slaps a short cooler and new plastics on an axys to get the matryx and it becomes a “highly refined” new chassis. Cat makes even more changes and refinements from the 2012 proclimb to the ascender platform and they’re made fun of and treat as if the 2012 and 2021 are the exact same sled.

Why is that?

Not sure you have seen all the changes. The tunnel is all new, the plastics are new, the seat and tank or narrower and moved ahead. The 850 now puts out 20% more accelleration on the standard 850 than last seaons, not counting the up to 50% above that on the boost. All new P2 clutch. These are just to name a few.

 

[summ8rmk]

Don't forget the new ski loops, now they look more like cats(minus the stupid jagged unnecessary rearward pointy thingy)

Sent it

 

[Vern]

Not sure you have seen all the changes. The tunnel is all new, the plastics are new, the seat and tank or narrower and moved ahead. The 850 now puts out 20% more accelleration on the standard 850 than last seaons, not counting the up to 50% above that on the boost. All new P2 clutch. These are just to name a few.

Yes, Ive seen all the new changes, it is still just a refined axys, everything I’ve seen says ergos and suspension are still 100% axys. no more of a new chassis than the ascender is from a proclimb, yet poo is praised for “innovation” while cat is belittled for not changing anything.

I’m not a diehard cat fanboy, I grew up on Polaris, but Polaris’s lack of reliability left a bad taste in my mouth and my cats have been basically flawless since I’ve switched 15 years ago, some with upwards of 5k miles without even doing a top end. Why would I give up what I’ve had the best of luck with just to keep up with the joneses? I ride with mostly axys turbos and have no problem keeping up on my na alpha, on top of that I feel the cat chassis is actually easier to throw around in general than the poo.

 

[BlueDevil]

Seems like everybody knows how well the new Polaris works. Guess I haven’t been on one to know. But it’s a Polaris so it will always be better.

 

[line8]

Dear Cat,
Please give us the 2012 ProClimb every year until 2030, we would hate for you to rush any changes.

Love,
The die hards in the green blinders

This is a little humorous and has a teeny bit of merit.
But, same could be said of all brands in general. Polaris did make some engine strides. Good thing too because those stock prices; smart.
Just bait for some of your keyboard entertainment I think.


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[rkm]

Not sure you have seen all the changes. The tunnel is all new, the plastics are new, the seat and tank or narrower and moved ahead. The 850 now puts out 20% more accelleration on the standard 850 than last seaons, not counting the up to 50% above that on the boost. All new P2 clutch. These are just to name a few.

20% more acceleration? Um they didnt change the track, gearing or clutching on the standard 850 as well as adding weight to the sled. So where did you make up that number?
Is it cause they finally got the mapping close enough that the 850s finally run right?

 

[goridedoo]

20% more acceleration? Um they didnt change the track, gearing or clutching on the standard 850 as well as adding weight to the sled. So where did you make up that number?
Is it cause they finally got the mapping close enough that the 850s finally run right?

20% better "response" is the claim- Erik Woog says new high resolution engine management, whatever that means, but he claims its significant, and said the difference is like going from a 21 850 to one of HIS big bore 911's or a Carl 900. Which is a bold claim for someone who builds and sells the 911 kit. His words, not mine.