2 ppl. on mtn. side... THUNDERSTRUCK 6

[FORMULA51]

Is it just me or would you guys agree that the clips on TS6 with 2 people going up the mtn. is bad video for people that don't know this is very bad teaching? I mean, what about the people that are just getting into sledding and buy this video.


Then the next thing you know we have even more avy fatalities, due to people wanting to do what they see on these videos?


No offense to the TS6 guys, but i was just wanting to see what everyone else feels about this.

 

[FORMULA51]

apparently it's just me that thinks like this...

 

[phatty]

Is it just me or would you guys agree that the clips on TS6 with 2 people going up the mtn. is bad video for people that don't know this is very bad teaching? I mean, what about the people that are just getting into sledding and buy this video.


Then the next thing you know we have even more avy fatalities, due to people wanting to do what they see on these videos?


No offense to the TS6 guys, but i was just wanting to see what everyone else feels about this.

next time you watch the video, press the pause button when the big warning message comes on at the first of the video. proceed to use your education and read the warning message carefully and completely.

Professional riders are not to be imitated...

 

[woodies]

man are you ever impatient i can hardly type that fast plus the sites bin down all morning on my comp and alot of others too.and yes i agree

 

[FORMULA51]

next time you watch the video, press the pause button when the big warning message comes on at the first of the video. proceed to use your education and read the warning message carefully and completely.

Professional riders are not to be imitated...

i understand that but how many more people are influenced with what they see rather than what they read?

i'm not saying they didn't give ample warning with their text, but seeing is another thing. How many people actually push pause just to read their warnings?

 

[Supplicate]

How many people actually push pause just to read their warnings?

How many people actually read slow enough to need to pause it to get that warning?

 

[happylilcuss]

I am just wondering if this is the same mentality that says that gun manufacturers kill innocent people. That the tabacco company's are to blame for lung cancer.. etc etc etc.. I just wish that more people would take responsibility for themselves and quit blaming other people for there own ignorance or incompitence. JC people educate yourselves on MTN riding and avalanche conditions, go to avy classes, take the needed equipment into the mtns and learn to use your equipment. Take care of yourself first and your buddies second and take responsibility for yourself. The TS guys are not to blame for some idiot trying to be like them when they have no business even trying 1/10 of what the guys in the movies are doing.

 

[FORMULA51]

I am just wondering if this is the same mentality that says that gun manufacturers kill innocent people. That the tabacco company's are to blame for lung cancer.. etc etc etc.. I just wish that more people would take responsibility for themselves and quit blaming other people for there own ignorance or incompitence. JC people educate yourselves on MTN riding and avalanche conditions, go to avy classes, take the needed equipment into the mtns and learn to use your equipment. Take care of yourself first and your buddies second and take responsibility for yourself. The TS guys are not to blame for some idiot trying to be like them when they have no business even trying 1/10 of what the guys in the movies are doing.

I'm not saying they're to blame for sh!t. all i'm saying is we all can sit around talking trash to each other for having more than one sled on the hill, but this stuff is on videos? Ski-doo isn't responsible for 2 guys on a hill, cause someone can pull the throttle, so how can you compare tobacco / gun companies to sledding?


What happens when there is an avy and someone is killed cause there was 2 ppl on the hill? we're all going to say well they shouldn't have been riding with 2 ppl on the hill.


IMO, for newbies to see this w/o having any prior knowledge of big hillclimbing, it's possible they can get pretty hemmed up cause they "saw someone else doing it". cause "that hill wasn't as big as the TS6 guys, so it's not dangerous. It's not an avy chute, so it's ok, blah blah blah."

Why is it in good practice that we all preach to each other about it, but this stuff is conveyed as all ok because they can do it, cause they're professionals, cause they know how to tell the mtn?

 

[TURBOMAN]

If you look in the thunderstruck film you will see this is spring snow. Alot less likely to slide. Mountains are use at your own risk. We all must teach each other the conditions to watch for.

Last year in lions head I was riding with Thunderstruck and we were filming a little bit here and there. We were with some less experienced people and warned them of the avy danger again and again. All of the Thunderstruck guys were getting mad that these people were not listening. A few hours latter they set off a big slide and lucky enough no one get buried, we helped them dig out and they were very sorry. After that they listened. My point to the story is that you must learn and find out the info for yourself and listen to those around you. When we climb a hill and there is more then one person on it it is most likely in spring snow. People need to be responsible enough to research what they are doing. I do know that is a big thing for some and there will always be those we dont heed the warnings. I truly hope no one watches our movies and is injured. It is for entertainment purposes only.

 

[Scott]

In older vids, maybe a TS vid, you'd see 6 or 10 sleds doing a fireworks climb on some hill....but you don't see that stuff anymore.

 

[sixpointbull]

A newbie following anything they see in TS6 or any video for that matter is asking for trouble.
You can't protect everyone from themselves. Evolution is a mighty strong force.

 

[Jaynelson]

Ehn, I can see the point you're making.....but really there isn't much in those movies that IS safe for Johnny Newguy.

 

[BackCountryBob]

I second FORMULA51---stupid does what stupid sees

 

[Bubba700]

I can understand the point you are making, I have had the same thought a few times when I see those seg. When I first started riding and was clueless to a lot of the dos and don't of sledding I thought it would be fun as h3ll to race up hills 2 or 3 at a time like that. But knowing what I know now most of the snow conditions we ride in I wouldn't chance it. I guess for the educated riders out there we can watch and see that it is on spring snow that is firm and set up and reasonably safe, but for the Johnny Newbie that doesn't know better he might think it's ok anytime. On a side note I love the TS vids. Not a climber but can't pull my eyes from the tv on the Krazy Kanadians sections. He does amazing stuff on a sled.

 

[drphil]

I would challenge anyone to show me a film clip of any video that shows guys climbing in POWDER!! It just doesnt happen because they are smart enough to stay off the hills at that time. SPRING snow and sloughing are different than NOW snow. All you will see now is downhill powder stuff and playing in the meadows from them

It seems like you are looking for someone to blame.

 

[FORMULA51]

I would challenge anyone to show me a film clip of any video that shows guys climbing in POWDER!! It just doesnt happen because they are smart enough to stay off the hills at that time. SPRING snow and sloughing are different than NOW snow. All you will see now is downhill powder stuff and playing in the meadows from them

It seems like you are looking for someone to blame.

no. what i am doing is pointing out that newbies don't take in to account the spring snow and can and will try this same sh!t in pow.



newbies can't tell a difference in this, let alone know to pay attention to spring snow / pow / their ***.



see what i'm saying?

 

[007]

BLA BLA BLA BLA

Same crap different post!

Everyone knows one sled on the hill, but last week when I was out I got stuck and sure as sh!t another guy from another group came to my rescue and cut above me and came back down to help me! When I asked him what the hell, just responded by sayin sorry! Well luckly I'm here to talk about it!

I watched Jackazz and I have no intetion to do the cr@p they do either!


KJP

 

[Jeff C]

I'm not saying they're to blame for sh!t. all i'm saying is we all can sit around talking trash to each other for having more than one sled on the hill, but this stuff is on videos? Ski-doo isn't responsible for 2 guys on a hill, cause someone can pull the throttle, so how can you compare tobacco / gun companies to sledding?


What happens when there is an avy and someone is killed cause there was 2 ppl on the hill? we're all going to say well they shouldn't have been riding with 2 ppl on the hill.


IMO, for newbies to see this w/o having any prior knowledge of big hillclimbing, it's possible they can get pretty hemmed up cause they "saw someone else doing it". cause "that hill wasn't as big as the TS6 guys, so it's not dangerous. It's not an avy chute, so it's ok, blah blah blah."

Why is it in good practice that we all preach to each other about it, but this stuff is conveyed as all ok because they can do it, cause they're professionals, cause they know how to tell the mtn?

51:

I completely understand your point, and I agree 100% with you.........

These guys should not be running up the hill, more than one at a time spring snow, early season snow, or midwinter snow.

Bottom line is that when there is a thread of "avy takes life of____________, and circumstances come out that there were several people on the hill at once, we all get on here and say "What a bunch of tards for more than one being on the hill at once".

Yet, when the guys who do this stuff for a living do it, somehow that is "ok", they are professionals, don't question them, you cannot do this so shut up!

Apparently there are different guidelines for this depending if you do this for a living, wether it is spring snow or not, wether you have the "balls" to do it etc.

We all know that most of these climbs are dangerous, so is stock car racing or all extreme sports. But if the generally accepted rules of an activity say that you should not take this type of risk, maybe,,,,,,,,,,,, juuust maybe the leaders of the sport should set a good example for others to follow.

That is all you were getting at...................... I think right?

 

[Jeff C]

........ People need to be responsible enough to research what they are doing. QUOTE]

What if these movies are part of the reason to get you to come "out west" and experience the mountains?

Where is the manual at the library entitled "Mountain highmarking - the do's and don'ts"?

The only research you can do is by getting experienced from an experienced rider, or by going on what you see (Videos), or by the live and learn method.

 

[Disco Dan Richter]

Ummmmmmmm ok Jeff. The way I see it, if you watch jackazz the movie, and copy the dumb crap they do, you deserve what you get. So that being said, anyone got a bottle rocket Jeff can borrow? LOL!

Now for the real issue at hand, warnings are put at the beginning of the video telling that is professionals, not newbies, riding and climbing the sleds. So if a newbie seriously thinks he/she can just watch a video and copy it, so be it. But, I seriously doubt, that a "NEWBIE" will watch a film and do just that.

MAybe, we should just make it law, that when you go out west, you have to take and pass a course on avy's and beacon training before you can go out and copy your favorite film riders? Good luck with that.

Also, it was spring snow. Much more stable than powder, so before any of you "newbies" start ramblin about this and similar issues, maybe look a little harder.

All that being said, I just went to my first avy course of the year Saturday. My 3rd to be exact. Do I have to? NO, but I choose too, remember, I am from Minnesota originally, so no excuses from any of you.

Ride safe, live long and prosper all.