Weight vs. Clicker

[Original Tetonice]

1st off nobody here said the center roller levers did not work.

The only thing that was mentioned is that "HOW the center rollers work", "the personality of them", "what you would observe when you operate them".....can be replicated with thunder shift/heavy hitter levers.

...ot said clutch kits don't work.

When I was in NY testing the 1200 turbo with Justin Fuller (http://fullpowerperformance.com/) I was given the task to tune a set of the center roller levers. These levers were one of the first sets for nouis to have in a skidoo sled, they still had blue layout dye on them and some of the ramps were not hardened enough, the metal was starting to smear. Some ramps had a blue dot, some had a red dot on them; different curves.
I was given the task to see what I could do to get them to work in one of the turbo 1200 sleds. I spent about 18 hours of testing with them as per Justin and CJ request.

I ended up going with the dalton brute levers for the particular application because they were the only levers that I could load the engine hard enough to come off the start line without breaking the track free.

The dalton levers helped us win the American Snowmobiler Manufacturer's Challenge for Quickest 60 foot time of the weekend, highest mph in the low octane turbo class, and the Quiet Giant award.

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In the end I rather calibrate using as stock as possible. Make sure alignment is good and calibrate the clutch details so that rpms do not fluctuate under wide open throttle and/or if fluctuate under w.o.t. the rpms recover quickly, then you will have a good calibration.
Plus having Dalton at my side with Dale being able to make me anything I need regarding helix's at the snap of a finger and overnighted to a testing location, I can't beat that.

The CRA was Never Developed to work with the 1200 Turbo. Im surprised you didn't know that Joe. Had you called SuperTorquer and spoke to Randy the owner he wouold have told you that.

FYI 4 stroke turbo's require alot of weight in order to keep the rpm within powerband.

Nice try at changing the subject from the XP to 4 stroke turbo's.....Haha your not fooling anyone Joe.

Joe go to www.SuperTorquer.com and let me know if there is a CRA application for the Skidoo 1200 turbo or non-turbo LMAO

OT

 

[prairiepowderhead]

I would like to find someone that could tell me what setup works the best in the rt1000 as close to stock as posible . And I dont think that OT's statement is wrong, I just think that he has a hateful attitude twards someone inparticular. ( thats you Joe) I have seen Dynomo Joes clutch kits really work and work well.

 

[Original Tetonice]

I would like to find someone that could tell me what setup works the best in the rt1000 as close to stock as posible . And I dont think that OT's statement is wrong, I just think that he has a hateful attitude twards someone inparticular. ( thats you Joe) I have seen Dynomo Joes clutch kits really work and work well.

I don't hate anyone i just have trouble with folks who mis-lead folks who are novices with the TRA. And Joe on many occasions has fit that discription.

OT

 

[snengineer]

Have you guys ever meet, OT and DJoe? If not come on down to the Fairview shootout next weekend so we can settle this clutching debockle once and for all. I would love to see this myself

 

[prairiepowderhead]

I don't hate anyone i just have trouble with folks who mis-lead folks who are novices with the TRA. And Joe on many occasions has fit that discription.

OT

Have you riden Joes setup or are you trying to demonstrate that you dont need to ride in all conditions with all different types of snow with clutch parts in your pocket and a puller in your trunk, all you need to do is take the word of someone that talks nice and smells pretty, NO THANKS , I have riden alot of different sleds all of them acting differently, I have riden one sled that pulls your guts out , pulled the clutch of put it on another sled ,identical to it , and got beat by a kids sled, now are you going to tall me that you hae a clutch kit that fits every sled , or should I listen to someone that test multipal kits on multipal sleds.

 

[Original Tetonice]

You can also come to the World Championship Hillclimb this weekend in JH where you will see plenty of the SuperTorquer CRA being used in XP's and Polaris sleds

Im not certain you will see Joe's kit at the event ?

OT

 

[prairiepowderhead]

Maybe I will have a P90 bored to fit my rt, fix all these problems

 

[Original Tetonice]

Have you riden Joes setup or are you trying to demonstrate that you dont need to ride in all conditions with all different types of snow with clutch parts in your pocket and a puller in your trunk, all you need to do is take the word of someone that talks nice and smells pretty, NO THANKS , I have riden alot of different sleds all of them acting differently, I have riden one sled that pulls your guts out , pulled the clutch of put it on another sled ,identical to it , and got beat by a kids sled, now are you going to tall me that you hae a clutch kit that fits every sled , or should I listen to someone that test multipal kits on multipal sleds.

Yes, i have tested against Joes kit on several occasion and the results have been the same. Lots of heat, fails to maintain rpm resulting in slower trackspeeds.

It's fair to mention that all the testing was done in deep snow above 8000 feet.


Note: In fairness ALL clutch kits need tweaked since ALL motor will slightly differ from one XP 800 to the next. Also the type of oil you run and the belt you run can also effect engine and clutching performance.

Note: SuperTorquers recommends 52 grams of weight my XP runs best with 51 grams @ 8100 rpm
OT

 

[AkSledHed]

LMAO..........you really think people believe that BS?? When you can have a decent conversation with the man (Joe) without calling him names and bad mouthing his business then maybe. Nahhhhhh, that'll never happen.

 

[Original Tetonice]

LMAO..........you really think people believe that BS?? When you can have a decent conversation with the man (Joe) without calling him names and bad mouthing his business then maybe. Nahhhhhh, that'll never happen.

LMAO...I can not have a decent conversation with Joe as long as he mis-leads people regarding the movement of the TRA ramps.

Furthermore if you choose to believe the ramps do not move when clicking your TRA clicker from #6 down to #5, #4, #3, #2, #1 , your being fooled by Joe.

OT

 

[prairiepowderhead]

LMAO..........you really think people believe that BS?? When you can have a decent conversation with the man (Joe) without calling him names and bad mouthing his business then maybe. Nahhhhhh, that'll never happen.

I second that, Its kind of hard to believe someone that runs others into the dirt as hard as you do, I for one like arguements but not name calling and grave digging

 

[Original Tetonice]

It's called and Eye For An Eye.....In the real world a person has a right to defend them self.

In Joe's case he hurts himself when he posts BS statements such as the TRA ramps do not move when clicking from #6 down to #5, #4, #3, #2 or #1

OT

 

[Dynamo^Joe]

It's called and Eye For An Eye.....In the real world a person has a right to defend them self.
In Joe's case he hurts himself when he posts BS statements such as the TRA ramps do not move when clicking from #6 down to #5, #4, #3, #2 or #1
OT

sorry I never said anything of the sort.

ot, Time and time again you fail to admit you said this...
You said - Teh ranps move whin teh cluntch is turming.

We said - No!...The ramps do not move when the clutch is turning.

I feel sorry for you stevie. I feel sorry for you that you can't kick being so unlikable.

I still feel sorry for you. Putting words in people's mouths with a side of bashing is not the answer there stevie. there there...there there...

 

[Original Tetonice]

You argued, saying "my experiances, teh ranps move whin teh sled isn opernation."
We said "Our experiences, ramps do not move when in operation, they are stationary and rest against the cam adjusting screw."

Ramps still don't move when in operation.

Joe, by chance do you suffer from bi-poler disorder ? You know there are meds for such a problem

Joe, when on clicker #6 and clicking down to either #5,#4,#3,#2,or #1 what happens to the ramps under this situation ?

OT

 

[Original Tetonice]

Please watch this video.
It shows ramp position changing when clutch is at rest, stopped, engine shut off, maybe not even on the sled to change ramp position.
The only time ramp moves is when the operator changes the clicker....when engine is shut off.
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Thought I would just touch on that fer ya...
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Example #2 of Joe's Bi-Poler dis-order. LOL

OT

 

[Red-eye]

1st off nobody here said the center roller levers did not work.

The only thing that was mentioned is that "HOW the center rollers work", "the personality of them", "what you would observe when you operate them".....can be replicated with thunder shift/heavy hitter levers.

...ot said clutch kits don't work.

When I was in NY testing the 1200 turbo with Justin Fuller (http://fullpowerperformance.com/) I was given the task to tune a set of the center roller levers. These levers were one of the first sets for nouis to have in a skidoo sled, they still had blue layout dye on them and some of the ramps were not hardened enough, the metal was starting to smear. Some ramps had a blue dot, some had a red dot on them; different curves.
I was given the task to see what I could do to get them to work in one of the turbo 1200 sleds. I spent about 18 hours of testing with them as per Justin and CJ request.

I ended up going with the dalton brute levers for the particular application because they were the only levers that I could load the engine hard enough to come off the start line without breaking the track free.

The dalton levers helped us win the American Snowmobiler Manufacturer's Challenge for Quickest 60 foot time of the weekend, highest mph in the low octane turbo class, and the Quiet Giant award.

----------------------------------
In the end I rather calibrate using as stock as possible. Make sure alignment is good and calibrate the clutch details so that rpms do not fluctuate under wide open throttle and/or if fluctuate under w.o.t. the rpms recover quickly, then you will have a good calibration.
Plus having Dalton at my side with Dale being able to make me anything I need regarding helix's at the snap of a finger and overnighted to a testing location, I can't beat that.

I have never seen thunder shift heavy hitters down shift like super torquers CRA and mantain full shift out. Maybe the bugs are out of them and should be tried again.

 

[Original Tetonice]

I have never seen thunder shift heavy hitters down shift like super torquers CRA and mantain full shift out. Maybe the bugs are out of them and should be tried again.

I agree Red-Eye....I ran ThunderProducts as well as Team Products before switching tp the CRA. I believe Team Industries purchased the rights of the Shifters from Thunder Products....I could be wrong

OT

 

[cklinen]

So OT you running the hill at the King to show everyone how its done

 

[Original Tetonice]

Dang, i forgot to sign up for the RMSHA season and didn't gather enough points to qualify.....Yah Right !!!!

My kid however is signed up to run amatures on Thursday. Questions remains if he's just going to make a run or will he return his mod sled to stock so he can compete and not just make a disqualifying run for having mods in the amature class.

OT

 

[Dartos]

So I called Super Torquer to ask some questions, see if I could get a handle on his product. I bought a kit.

I decided to get this kit for a couple of reasons. I had decided from everything I read the stock clutching has a lot of room for improvement and I wanted something that was a step up, a big step up at that. I decided that stock parts placed in an aftermarket kit was out. The Thunder shift type arms I felt was a step up but not a big step. And last, Tetonice said they just flat out work.