Too all those retarded mt. Riders
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we cant teach you in a few words go take a class just like reading the manual to your beacon tells you what it does ... have a buddy go bury it and use his to find it manual cant teach you that
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Bubba700
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Sweet listen next time your in one. The layer that breaks is essentialy a slab or layer on the whole hill side that wants to slide. It doesn't matter if you put the added weight in the middle of that slab, the top, the bottom etc. Its the extra weight, not its placement that will cause the top layer to start moving on the surface hoar. Thats why the Crown line can be much further up the hill from where the person is that sets it off.
The mind set of " I am below him it won't set it off" is false.
work with a avy teacher and he is also big part of Search Rescue here in WA.
When I asked him within a second he said ofcourse. He doesnt have the actual numbers but his comment "people with avy training take it for a reason". And it has nothing to do with regular hicking trails around the lake or those scenic stops along the highway.
From my reculaction thru the years almost all multi-victims avy claimed victims wore not rookies by any means.....
But dont take this the wrong way, continued avy education and training keeps you better at evaluating the present dangers.
When I asked him within a second he said ofcourse. He doesnt have the actual numbers but his comment "people with avy training take it for a reason". And it has nothing to do with regular hicking trails around the lake or those scenic stops along the highway.
From my reculaction thru the years almost all multi-victims avy claimed victims wore not rookies by any means.....
But dont take this the wrong way, continued avy education and training keeps you better at evaluating the present dangers.
BS. plain and simple. you are much better of with the proper gear. 1/2-1%? tell that to somebody who's been saved by a beacon and friends who know how to operate their equipment properly. they probably won't ever ride with somebody without a beacon probe and shovel. it's common sense and survival. i don't want to go home and report to a buddys wife he died and we had no chance of finding him because he wasn't properly equipped.
no replacement for proper education
This is the MOUNTAIN/DEEP POWDER forum right??
Sorry, but as soon as you leave the truck (unless you ride somewhere that's not worth riding) you've got a chance of being in avy terrain.
I am SO SICK of hearing the "I avoid all avy terrain" comment. then go post on HCS, cause we're mountain riders, and SOME risk is inherent in this sport.
To say that people should not be prepared, or that being prepared is pointless is a careless & IGNORANT remark. Many people have been rescued with beacon technology & to beleaguer that fact is unacceptable in the climate that we have in mtn riding today where people are pushing harder & further every day.
If we were avoiding all avy terrain, technology would have stopped with the 1997 rmk.
NOTHING MAKES YOU COMPLETELY SAFE, precautions simply make you safer than you would be otherwise.
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BackCountryBob
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We all wear beacons wheather we are on a family trail ride or boondocking off trail. We have a responsibility to come to the aid of an avy victim and always hope they are wearing a beacon. Yes, the chances are that the victim may be deceased by the time we get there to help, but there is always a glimmer of hope we can save a life.
As far as avys not being present on the trail, sorry to report that there are numerous trails that travel thru avy territory and are dangerous avy terraine traps. We may be dim but not stupid
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just an interesting thought, just cuz the last guy was from MT, it was billings, not exactly right in the mountains. I think Ouraysledder made a great point. I think We can classify 2 main groups of people involved in avy's. Those from out of town who either just dont know better or are doing dumb things cuz there on vacation, then you get the local crowd who happen to be somewhat complacent with things, or just thing because they are local they are somehow safe.
I definately understand the idea of being local has a massive advantage IF, and a big IF, you pay attention to the weather a LOT. If your keeping track of weather patterns, temp changes, clouds/sun and wind. Its a huge amount of info about the snowpack you cant get unless you live there, and unless you pay attention.
As far as being retarted, Was in cooke this weekend under the SUPER high avy conditions that seemed to be staballizing with the sun and warmth, BUT, saw people on saturday right next to old avy runout just pounding the hills on the NW corner of crown butte, not the worst side, but a notorious area for sliding. 1 guy gets stuck, another rides up to help him and parks up next to him to help a relatively minimal stuck(unnecassary) then 2 others in the group proceed to try and go up and help but cant stop so are basically just highmarking riht by them. NOW to make it even better 1 of the guys starts on the right way away and just cuts a nice deep slow sidehill over the whole open slop going up and above the two otheres. this happnes 2 times in a row. They broke almost every rule i could think of and were in a sketchy terrain trap type place at the bottom to top it all off. I definately understand there are almost always safe places to play, but these people were constantly breaking out into the untouched hills. wonder why they werent touched?
next time instead of getting pissed off and *****ing (like i do) you should go over and nicely talk to them and explain the situation.... If they truely have no clue... all they need is someone to tell them the danger....
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suitcase
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IMO, There is an Avy danger most of the time. I go with that on my mind when we ride so I don't get to comfortable on the hill. I ride with 5 other guys that go with the same thing. I have read some post from people that you know do not have any idea about Mt. Riding, and you don't come to the Mts. for a few weeks a yr. and have all the angles, just because you take a class.
With that being said, the riders talked about in the first post, WELL, there are a lot of people out there riding snowmobiles that think this is a competion to show everyone how cool you are, how fast your sled is our how high you can put a mark on the hill!! What they don't realize is that this sport is about, ME MY SLED AND THE MOUNTAINS. Don't get me wrong there is some fun with close friends and puting a mark on the hill,while razzing your buddies on how is brand of sled sucks LOL. But there is no competion with close friends, if they are true friends you should have nothing to prove.
With that being said, the riders talked about in the first post, WELL, there are a lot of people out there riding snowmobiles that think this is a competion to show everyone how cool you are, how fast your sled is our how high you can put a mark on the hill!! What they don't realize is that this sport is about, ME MY SLED AND THE MOUNTAINS. Don't get me wrong there is some fun with close friends and puting a mark on the hill,while razzing your buddies on how is brand of sled sucks LOL. But there is no competion with close friends, if they are true friends you should have nothing to prove.
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suitcase
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There are several, ice, sugar snow, wet and heavy, etc. Get on the hill and cut yourself a cube. But take a class if you plan on riding in the Mts. it could save your life.
yea i will buy that one. I can certainly see how more training allows you to be close to or involved in more slides, but i also think more training drastically reduces the death rate.
I think its interesting too that when conditions are low or moderate i tend to not even think or worry about avys... need to change that kind of thinking in myself and others...
Bottom line, no matter the conditions or where your riding, dont get complacent thinking your knowledge, skills, and equipment will protect you.
Wow somebody has taken their HERO COOKIES...im glad you live in the states and we dont have to deal with your BS and the chute passing attitude in Canada
With that attitude your an accident waiting to happen
WOW! it sure is evident who has seen first hand or been in an avalanche.
Originally Posted by polaris dude
well now that 2 people have informed me that there CAN be avys anywhere no one has yet to address what to look for in the snow layers...
Polaris dude, besides taking an avy class, study the avalanche forecast websites. They have a daily report, videos of snow pits as well as reports of avalanches with pictures. These websites are an excellent place to learn from the people who have made a living looking at snow conditions.
Originally Posted by polaris dude
well now that 2 people have informed me that there CAN be avys anywhere no one has yet to address what to look for in the snow layers...
Polaris dude, besides taking an avy class, study the avalanche forecast websites. They have a daily report, videos of snow pits as well as reports of avalanches with pictures. These websites are an excellent place to learn from the people who have made a living looking at snow conditions.
Trauma !
Getting raked through the trees over rocks, stumps, tangled up in a sled, head over heals, Etc.
A beacon and probe just makes it convenient to recover the body.
See below quote
I have been riding for over FORTY YEARS (in the NW) - who ever you are, you are being DUMB
DUDE people are dying because of your type of attitude. Machines back then did NOT go where they go today... IF YOU CHOOSE to ride where EVER your machine will go, then you have to be smart enough to know how to RIDE RIGHT, RIDE SMART to RIDE ANOTHER DAY. Do not be so selfish to make your buddies carry your body out of the mountains some day because you wanted the thrill to ride the chute and not be RESPONSIBLE! Your life is not worth it, and your family would appreciate you coming home at the end of a day ALIVE, not in a body bag. If there is a line to hit a highmark - go find another mountain!
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zoombyu
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Boy, some of you guys can be harsh. You could be having the same conversation about cars, drinking, drugs, etc. People will be people. Some are more educated, some are more experienced, some are mentally challenged, and some just end up in the wrong place at the wrong time. Each year is more HP and more track, which keeps testing the limits of man, machine, and nature. I hope I never have to be involved in any avalanche, and I am trying to educate myself to stay out of that situation, but if I am or you are, I hope someone knows what to do. Check out the following site for a great deal of avy information.
http://www.mtavalanche.com/index.shtml
http://www.mtavalanche.com/index.shtml
SO... you don't ride in the mountains?
It gets old hearing folks say this type of absolute statement.
It's ALL gray when it comes to mtn riding, and if you're not as prepared as possible, you're just ASKING for it to turn black.
That is a great quote btw. Risk though is a personal matter & some people's version of risk is different than others. I've had more friends die in one year of class V boating that I've seen die my whole time sledding, but I'm not going to stop boating.
No matter how any of us look at this issue, the most important thing in my opinion is that we ALL take the safety of all the other riders around us into account. (this includes wearing a beacon in case we need to search for someone else)
The fact is, an avalanche can happen at any time on any given slope! Its hard to know FOR SURE if its going to happen, Yes you can be prepared with all the gear and you can check avy danger but you still never know if its going to slide. Everyone is has there own thoughts on it but its a fact! Some people may think they know everything, and thats what will get them in trouble. I've only been riding mtns for 5 years and i know a few slopes very well, summer and winter and i never thought they would slide(there are very mellow), but they did. I've seen slides but never been in one and you NEVER KNOW. Its your decision who you ride with and where you ride, if you want to stay alive, you need a friend who knows how to find you, Riding 4 to 5 times more up a chute is not worth your life, you only have one life, but there is always another day! Have fun and be safe.
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