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The official SnoWest GUN RANT Thread!

FYI, I you make contact with manufacturer about purchase of a "sniper" rifle, such as a barret or McMillen, you WILL be visited by the ATF. They are looking closely at what people are buying and or looking at. Kinda scary, hope we can make it through.

You sir are a moron:nod:. Sorry but you really can't/don't believe that the atf will come visit you. I have been buying guns since 1994 when I turned 18. I have been tagged as a multiple buyer for buying a few to many guns in one day. In 18 years over 200 purchases I have spoke to a ATF agent twice, once after a heavy weekend of purchasing(they called to see what I was up to , I think I bought 8 or 10 guns that weekend) and another at the Shot Show, I inquired how long I would be getting delayed on out of state purchases. I could go on but I think I would be better off pulling a pack of frozen chicken out of the freezer and talking to it.
 
Nope.
Not at all.
Not even in the very least tiny bit.

Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.” – Genesis 9:6

I suggest you go back and read my response.
It was patently obvious that you were desperately trying to bait me.
I was really hoping you would do a better job.

So all those red letters between the black ones that talk about love, turning a cheek, without sin cast the first stone, you will be judged how you were judged, those aren't as important?


Or that part where vengence is the lords? Don't think it said it is ours. I'm all for punishing a person but me I sure don't want to stand at the head of the line explaining why I sanctioned the killing of Gods people.

You claim to believe in Jesus and God, so you have to admit that all people have worth and value in Gods eyes and even after doing something as terrible as murder that person still is loved by God and has every right and chance to return to God....yet you are willing to say that you are willing to act as judge and condemn them?


Shall we talk about turning weapons into plow shares? Maybe "I am a man of peace"
 
I am a HUGE HK fan.
Used to be a direct dealer for them years ago.
My personal favorite is the Silenced USP Tactical .45

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My absolute favorite gun to shoot

There had to be at least a dozen silencer companies displaying their cans at SHOT last week. That industry is THRIVING!

Here's a few HK from my collection
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So all those red letters between the black ones that talk about love, turning a cheek, without sin cast the first stone, you will be judged how you were judged, those aren't as important?


Or that part where vengence is the lords? Don't think it said it is ours. I'm all for punishing a person but me I sure don't want to stand at the head of the line explaining why I sanctioned the killing of Gods people.

You claim to believe in Jesus and God, so you have to admit that all people have worth and value in Gods eyes and even after doing something as terrible as murder that person still is loved by God and has every right and chance to return to God....yet you are willing to say that you are willing to act as judge and condemn them?


Shall we talk about turning weapons into plow shares? Maybe "I am a man of peace"

Just curious what you think about this:
There is only so much money. It is 10x cheaper to use death penalty than keep someone in jail for life. Said money saved from using death penalty is enough to support 2 poor children and give them a chance at life. Would you take the life of the criminal to save the two children or give the criminal the luxury of 3 square meals, shelter, and a daily shower(something those kids dream of).

I think it is pathetic the luxuries bestowed upon our criminals. Imo, make them pay for their incarceration, if they do not have the means, then send them to work camps. Prison is not ment to be a happy place(but do not use other prisoners to make it unhappy, just hard labor).
 
Interesting read. You are putting words in my mouth. I am not referring to banning guns. I am a gun owner and regularly shoot and hunt. I am referring to the proposition to put regulations on fully automatic weapons, high capacity magazines, and hand guns. I am not saying nor did I ever say this will completely solve the problem, however I believe it would be a step in the right direction to keeping our kids safe.

It is easy to perform a study on a topic and correlate the results so that they support your study. The example of swiss men in the military being issued rifles is weak. The study completely lacks control. As the government and lifestyle in Switzerland is much different than that of the United States. There are far too many factors to take into consideration to make a direct correlation between their gun laws and crime.

It was not my intention to start an argument as I feel my opinion on the issue is fairly on the fence. Not completely left winged or right winged. I just feel that everyone should take a good hard look at these laws and consider that there may be a better way.

Sorry man, its pretty much impossible to have a good ol' fashion debate. People 'round here can't imagine any view but their own being right...
 
You sir are a moron:nod:. Sorry but you really can't/don't believe that the atf will come visit you. I have been buying guns since 1994 when I turned 18. I have been tagged as a multiple buyer for buying a few to many guns in one day. In 18 years over 200 purchases I have spoke to a ATF agent twice, once after a heavy weekend of purchasing(they called to see what I was up to , I think I bought 8 or 10 guns that weekend) and another at the Shot Show, I inquired how long I would be getting delayed on out of state purchases. I could go on but I think I would be better off pulling a pack of frozen chicken out of the freezer and talking to it.


I may be a moron, but have spent a few uncomfortable hours with ATF agents wanting to know why i was looking at barret and McMillen "sniper" rifles. They may not visit everyone, maybe they don't like me:face-icon-small-dis Maybe I should not have made such a general statement about ATF visits.:sorry:
 
I may be a moron, but have spent a few uncomfortable hours with ATF agents wanting to know why i was looking at barret and McMillen "sniper" rifles. They may not visit everyone, maybe they don't like me:face-icon-small-dis Maybe I should not have made such a general statement about ATF visits.:sorry:

Like Tog, I have been in this industry for a very long time.
And if you got "visited" for only inquiring about a Barrett, then I am 100% CERTAIN there is more to the story than meets the eye.

A BMG 50 is NOT an NFA Weapon.
As such it merits no special attention in and of itself.
There had to be a 2nd trigger event that caused the visit.

And if I read your comment correctly, you did not PURCHASE one and fill out a 4473, you only INQUIRED about one?
 
So all those red letters between the black ones that talk about love, turning a cheek, without sin cast the first stone, you will be judged how you were judged, those aren't as important?


Or that part where vengence is the lords? Don't think it said it is ours. I'm all for punishing a person but me I sure don't want to stand at the head of the line explaining why I sanctioned the killing of Gods people.

You claim to believe in Jesus and God, so you have to admit that all people have worth and value in Gods eyes and even after doing something as terrible as murder that person still is loved by God and has every right and chance to return to God....yet you are willing to say that you are willing to act as judge and condemn them?


Shall we talk about turning weapons into plow shares? Maybe "I am a man of peace"

Clearly you and I view both the very nature of God as well as the afterlife/eternity quite differently.

There is temporal judgement and eternal judgement.
I am neither allowed nor able to pass eternal judgement.
Thus every soul, other than the Son's of Perdition, have the opportunity to return to God's presence (in one degree or another) in the afterlife/eternity.

But during our sojourn through our Mortal Probation here on earth we are subject to Temporal Judgement.

If someone breaks into your home and murders your wife, then begins the process of going from room to room executing each of your children, and you, having an opportunity to stop him choose NOT to use lethal force thus allowing him to continue on with his murderous rampage, you will have a profound accountability before the Lord that I am not willing to accept..

How many would you stand idly by and allow to die when you could stop the bloodshed and the carnage.

How many innocent little children in the school would you allow to die before you stopped the gunman? Or for that matter, WOULD you ever stop him?

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Here are a few quotes I use to help guide me in these matters.
They are likely not familiar to you.


There is one principle which is eternal; it is the duty of all men to protect their lives and the lives of the household, whenever necessity requires, and no power has the right to forbid it, should the last extreme arrive...”
Joseph Smith, Section Six, 1843-44, p. 391.


We all believe that the Lord will fight our battles; but how? Will He do it while we are unconcerned and make no effort whatever for our own safety when an enemy is upon us? If we make no effort to guard our towns, our houses, our cities, our wives and children, will the Lord guard them for us? He will not; but if we pursue the opposite course and strive to help Him to accomplish His designs, then will He fight our battles. We are baptized for the remission of sins; but it would be quite as unreasonable to expect a remission of sins without baptism, as to expect the Lord to fight our battles without our taking every precaution to be prepared to defend ourselves. The Lord requires us to be quite as willing to fight our own battles as to have Him fight them for us. If we are not ready for an enemy when he comes upon us, we have not lived up to the requirements of Him who guides the ship of Zion, or who dictates the affairs of his kingdom.”
Brigham Young, JD, Vol. 11, p. 131, August 1-10, 1865.


And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion.”
Alma 43:47


We believe that men should appeal to the civil law for redress of all wrongs and grievances, where personal abuse is inflicted or the right of property or character infringed, where such laws exist as will protect the same; but we believe that all men are justified in defending themselves, their friends, and property, and the government, from the unlawful assaults and encroachments of all persons in times of exigency, where immediate appeal cannot be made to the laws, and relief afforded.”
Doctrine and Covenants 134:11
 
Just curious what you think about this:
There is only so much money. It is 10x cheaper to use death penalty than keep someone in jail for life. Said money saved from using death penalty is enough to support 2 poor children and give them a chance at life. Would you take the life of the criminal to save the two children or give the criminal the luxury of 3 square meals, shelter, and a daily shower(something those kids dream of).

I think it is pathetic the luxuries bestowed upon our criminals. Imo, make them pay for their incarceration, if they do not have the means, then send them to work camps. Prison is not ment to be a happy place(but do not use other prisoners to make it unhappy, just hard labor).

Bed, food, work, sleep. That is all.

Might double check though, I doubt it is cheaper to use the death penalty than to lock someone up for life...at least with out it currently works.
 
Sorry man, its pretty much impossible to have a good ol' fashion debate. People 'round here can't imagine any view but their own being right...

ok show me some evidence to supprt your ideas. good luck


I do agree though Ive tried to talk sense in the bible thumpers around here before
 
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Clearly you and I view both the very nature of God as well as the afterlife/eternity quite differently.

There is temporal judgement and eternal judgement.
I am neither allowed nor able to pass eternal judgement.
Thus every soul, other than the Son's of Perdition, have the opportunity to return to God's presence (in one degree or another) in the afterlife/eternity.

But during our sojourn through our Mortal Probation here on earth we are subject to Temporal Judgement.

If someone breaks into your home and murders your wife, then begins the process of going from room to room executing each of your children, and you, having an opportunity to stop him choose NOT to use lethal force thus allowing him to continue on with his murderous rampage, you will have a profound accountability before the Lord that I am not willing to accept..

How many would you stand idly by and allow to die when you could stop the bloodshed and the carnage.

How many innocent little children in the school would you allow to die before you stopped the gunman? Or for that matter, WOULD you ever stop him?

==================

Here are a few quotes I use to help guide me in these matters.
They are likely not familiar to you.


There is one principle which is eternal; it is the duty of all men to protect their lives and the lives of the household, whenever necessity requires, and no power has the right to forbid it, should the last extreme arrive...”
Joseph Smith, Section Six, 1843-44, p. 391.


We all believe that the Lord will fight our battles; but how? Will He do it while we are unconcerned and make no effort whatever for our own safety when an enemy is upon us? If we make no effort to guard our towns, our houses, our cities, our wives and children, will the Lord guard them for us? He will not; but if we pursue the opposite course and strive to help Him to accomplish His designs, then will He fight our battles. We are baptized for the remission of sins; but it would be quite as unreasonable to expect a remission of sins without baptism, as to expect the Lord to fight our battles without our taking every precaution to be prepared to defend ourselves. The Lord requires us to be quite as willing to fight our own battles as to have Him fight them for us. If we are not ready for an enemy when he comes upon us, we have not lived up to the requirements of Him who guides the ship of Zion, or who dictates the affairs of his kingdom.”
Brigham Young, JD, Vol. 11, p. 131, August 1-10, 1865.


And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion.”
Alma 43:47


We believe that men should appeal to the civil law for redress of all wrongs and grievances, where personal abuse is inflicted or the right of property or character infringed, where such laws exist as will protect the same; but we believe that all men are justified in defending themselves, their friends, and property, and the government, from the unlawful assaults and encroachments of all persons in times of exigency, where immediate appeal cannot be made to the laws, and relief afforded.”
Doctrine and Covenants 134:11

Homey you done lost me....Jesus Christ himself says there is only one way and that is through him. Deny him in this life and you get denied when this life ends....no second chance after you kick it.

I'm baffeled how if my family was murdered and I didn't kill that person I'm not getting into heaven...completley baffeled.

I've heard the arguements that we can help God defend families, etc....but the Bible tells me all must acknowledge the name of God and that I can call on the name of God. God can stop that rampage if I call on him.

I can stop someone without ending their life, it is possible so your question of WOULD I do something doesn't make sense. You assume the only way to stop them is with lethal force. Not true.

I'm not familiar with your quotes, not at all.

But I've never read anything in RED letters that came close to implying your first idea.

As for the second one....What can worry add to your life? The whole flowers and sparrows deal....

And where does the lord say defend even unto bloodshed?

You never really answered my questions about the words of Jesus?


Now this isn't to say I am in favor of gun control...far from it. But when you post pictures that lump biblical beliefs into the mix and than only halfway apply the pro-life part I can't just let it slide.
 
this debate boils down to one thing for me.It s about law abiding people losing freedom due to the actions of a small few ( literally 1 in a million small ) . people are tired of taking it in the shorts for the action or inaction af others. I have never seen any evidence to support the idea that gun control works. In fact most of the evidence seems to suggest the opposite is true.
 
Homey you done lost me....Jesus Christ himself says there is only one way and that is through him. Deny him in this life and you get denied when this life ends....no second chance after you kick it.

I'm baffeled how if my family was murdered and I didn't kill that person I'm not getting into heaven...completley baffeled.

I've heard the arguements that we can help God defend families, etc....but the Bible tells me all must acknowledge the name of God and that I can call on the name of God. God can stop that rampage if I call on him.

I can stop someone without ending their life, it is possible so your question of WOULD I do something doesn't make sense. You assume the only way to stop them is with lethal force. Not true.

I'm not familiar with your quotes, not at all.

But I've never read anything in RED letters that came close to implying your first idea.

As for the second one....What can worry add to your life? The whole flowers and sparrows deal....

And where does the lord say defend even unto bloodshed?

You never really answered my questions about the words of Jesus?


Now this isn't to say I am in favor of gun control...far from it. But when you post pictures that lump biblical beliefs into the mix and than only halfway apply the pro-life part I can't just let it slide.

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