SNOWEST FORUMS: Member Comments on "Letter to All Members"

[Maize]

Oh, memories. I wish I still had the emails from you begging to be let back on...

And while we're reminiscing, I still remember the time you threatened to get a restraining order against Duke1n because he wanted to kick your face in. That, is keyboard racing at its finest.

And, by the by, you didn't get banned because posted about the demise of Redline. You got banned because you posted the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, Ad nauseam. The dog-and-pony show is what got you banned. To be honest, I can't ever remember the SnoWest mucky-mucks every even talking about protecting Redline. In fact, I don't remember even talking about Redline on the forums outside of how annoying the whole thing was getting.

But, I'll give you the same advice as MPS, keep tilting at those windmills.

Are you a moderator? If so, I think this is what people have been talking about.

This is NOT moderator behavior of rhetoric.

 

[MPS]

Unfortunately, still got you beat In any case, I didn't actually tell you that I was more educated; I was being ironic. And since you missed it the first time, I was saying that "vocabulary" and "education" smack are dumb. I picked the dumbest thing, "Education" smack, and essentially created a reductio ad absurdum. It's called "nuance." Perhaps you should have taken more "Engrish" classes whilst pursuing your "MS."

And I'm not sure how I am the "the prime example of an arrogant moderator." I haven't posted around here for ages. I was simply sharing that this happens EVERY FRICKIN' TIME SnoWest changes anything on the forum. A host of users threaten to quit (some do), then they all end up back here after the other forum proves lame. Since you are so "edumacated," perhaps you'll understand that your comments are "quixotic" and you can continue "tilting at windmills."

Carry on flamethrower man.

OMG ...."still got you beat" ....yes you are the man dsp. Well I usually take what someone says on here at face value. However, Mr. Chess Player (dsp) has other meanings to his posts. OMG...ridiculous. So sorry I missed your "irony." Oh I mean your feeble attempt to cover your a$$....haha ...whatever. It is funny that you were being ironic when you said it was obvious what my education level was...I didn't know that was irony?

You are a prime example of an arrogant moderator because you are calling everyone (that has an opinion of the change) a whiner or a douche bag. I love your vocabulary...I am so impressed! You even used Latin! OMG! I can't take it...so funny!


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[MtnDoo]

WTF? I never got banned, that's total crap - nor ever need to ask to be "let back on". Better leave the Jack Daniels alone and stick to the 3.2. There were always sparks with Duke1n and I threw some of the best ones! It's all good now of course. But it doesn't matter: REDLINE IS STILL A GARAGE SALE ITEM.

LOL!

DSP - you and I couldn't even have this discussion in a few months - the auto-bots would swoop down and edit our posts. HEHE!



MD.

Oh, memories. I wish I still had the emails from you begging to be let back on...

And while we're reminiscing, I still remember the time you threatened to get a restraining order against Duke1n because he wanted to kick your face in. That, is keyboard racing at its finest.

And, by the by, you didn't get banned because posted about the demise of Redline. You got banned because you posted the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, Ad nauseam. The dog-and-pony show is what got you banned. To be honest, I can't ever remember the SnoWest mucky-mucks ever even talking about protecting Redline. In fact, I don't remember even talking about Redline on the forums outside of how annoying the whole thing was getting.

But, I'll give you the same advice as MPS, keep tilting at those windmills.

 

[dsp81]

Are you a moderator? If so, I think this is what people have been talking about.

This is NOT moderator behavior of rhetoric.

No, I haven't been a moderator for years. I do, however, understand what it is like to try and control hundreds of people who fail to operate at even a modicum of civility.

 

[dsp81]

WTF? I never got banned, that's total crap - nor ever need to ask to be "let back on". Better leave the Jack Daniels alone and stick to the 3.2.

Sorry. Time-out. I guess that is a more appropriate term for it. And that was probably more age-appropriate punishment for the behavior.

 

[x-guy]

I think a few of you here need to take the personal attacks out of this thread, how the heck is this helping any? Its not, so go have your personal arguments elsewhere, this thread has nothing to do with anyones intellect, its about caring members trying to figure out what the heck has happened the last few months to the forum we all love so much, lets try to keep it on track, otherwise your playing right into the admins hands, how many times has it been said mods were needed because of this exact same crap that has now started in this thread? Do we want to prove them right? No we want to try and save our forums!

 

[MtnDoo]

Sorry, dude - maybe you're using Medical Marajuana for recreational purposes. Never got held down, either. Next.....

Weren't you wearing your brother-in-law's underwear or something last time we talked????

Sorry. Time-out. I guess that is a more appropriate term for it. And that was probably more age-appropriate punishment for the behavior.

 

[smwizzz]

Ha ha...

Sorry for the laugh.... . We need to change the tread name.... "The Entertainment Channel".

Thank god for spell check!!!

 

[MPS]

I think a few of you here need to take the personal attacks out of this thread, how the heck is this helping any? Its not, so go have your personal arguments elsewhere, this thread has nothing to do with anyones intellect, its about caring members trying to figure out what the heck has happened the last few months to the forum we all love so much, lets try to keep it on track, otherwise your playing right into the admins hands, how many times has it been said mods were needed because of this exact same crap that has now started in this thread? Do we want to prove them right? No we want to try and save our forums!

Duly noted bro!


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[Skidoo99]

Not a chance.

Personally, I have to agree with the nay sayers..I will NEVER pay for a membership to ANY snowmobile site. I spend enough money on parts, bling, and other items that are advertised on these sites. The site in turn gets paid their dues by the product manufacturer/advertiser.

That's how it works...and anything more is a money grab. Period.

If Snow West wants to keep continued loyal member base, they had better seriously re-evaluate their position on this paid membership farce. Otherwise, this website will fall faster than Nortel stocks. And I'm not buying into the paid membership community runs "better" baloney either..

Respectfully,
Shawn

 

[IShartd]

So, he's systematically dismantling this site with the hopes of getting paid under the false pretense of paying for 2 servers, a switch, a firewall and a 12Mbps internet connection.

10 Year+ users are droping like flies.
Contributors are already frazzled and discouraged.

What, for the sake of protecting one measly admin's salary? Yawn.

This is a crock.

The important and valuable thing here is the community.
It just happened to grow up around this site - could have been any other, but it happened here.

I'm more concerned with preserving & protecting the contributors and community and the value for the lurkers than with all of the add-on MySledSpace, Twitter, FaceBook crap proposed.

MD.

"The important and valuable thing here is the community". AMEN Brother!!!!

 

[x-guy]

Duly noted bro!


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I just have a feeling this is the last thread where members even have a chance of changing things, as little as that chance may be. We are all upset and heated, and I know personally this has been building up for the past few months, ever since my inbox started getting spammed by announcements. The bottom line is we have been asked for constuctive input here, and honestly if they even listen to a small portion of the majority on here, maybe things will be changed for the better.

There has been some really good ideas in this thread and perhaps it may change their approach, or pay structures, lets hope they stick to their word and listen. Do not turn against each other here, one thing we all share in common is that we are passionate for this sport, and its a powerful thing that seems to keep the sledding community as a whole together whether in snowest or elsewhere. See you guys on the mountain

 

[m8magicandmystery]

No, I haven't been a moderator for years. I do, however, understand what it is like to try and control hundreds of people

wow..they say a picture says a thousand words...but you just threw that long held belief out the window with the few words above...i thought you had shot yourself in the bunker cause you had vd and didn;t want to be captured..??

 

[diamonddave]

Don't fall for dsp's bait. He's trying to discredit the opposition.

Demote cristopher and bill us $50 a year.

 

[BigFish BC]

iam a long time user here really like this place meet allot of cool people & had fun with them.i like helping people out when i can thats why i come & to meet new people too. i wont be paying to give people help & help make someone else money its just not right. this place was fine a few months ago now its like a bomb went off just not that fun too be here anymore in the aftermath sad day for sure.

 

[christopher]

This will be a thread just for comments on "The Letter".

 

[yz400ex]

Why was anyone invited to comment on this topic?? Is anyone reading this?? Will there be any changes to the decision that has already been made? Nobody listened to the complaints about the changes that were already made.. why pay for something you dont like and if nobody is listening to make the changes to what is not liked, what is the point of saying anything..?

People are who make this forum and I feel those people will be migrating to other free sites so why would even the people who say they will stay and pay actually follow through?? There will be very few people who stay and as noted before.. people who are looking for info will find this pay site and never join.. The chances of getting "new" members is very slim.. I just dont think this plan was very well thought out.. I figure a company that has been in business as many years as HP would have looked at stats and numbers, thought of things realistically and made much better decisions on this.. The site was fine before all the new changes..Majority really doesnt care for the new things going to be implemented so the added $$$ going into making this so much so called "better" is just a waste for everyone involved IMO.


Now this site has done nothing but turn everyone against each other.. People who would have had a civilized conversation with another, now dislikes this person because they have a different opinion on what is going on.. This site will never be the same, even if it decided to NIX the entire pay site idea.. Like stated, people are just mad and angry at each other and this has ruined a lot of what could have been friendships due to all the bickering..


This used to be a site that was more like a family.. Now it seems to be segregated to the MODS, Christopher, and the people who have been on this site forever, against everyone else which to me is very sad. I am sure this post will make a few mad and this is not what I am trying to do.. I am just stating the obvious.. Take from it what you would like... I am sure it is not the cost of the site driving people away.. $30 isnt much, but to pay for something you arent happy with any longer or something you dont believe in just isnt going to happen.. It will be a very sad day when the "dues" are to be paid.. I appreciate a lot of the help and advise that has been given to me over the short time I have been a member.. Very good people on here and this "family" like feeling will be missed.. It was good while it lasted... Since nobody cares about the complaints WE have or the WANT to make any changes, this will not last... Good luck to Snowest..!

 

[MtnDoo]

<<In order to keep this thread clear of "debris", a separate thread has been created to discuss this. Please post your comments, questions, and replies over here:>> --Brian

So, 728 user comments for and against are just "debris"?

Wow - this is clearly more than just Christopher's antics.

MD.

 

[dsp81]

Don't fall for dsp's bait. He's trying to discredit the opposition.

Demote cristopher and bill us $50 a year.

I'm not trying to discredit the opposition. I think they do a pretty good job of that on their own. I'm not picking sides here because I honestly don't care which direction things go. Don't know Christopher and have never met him. I've only been back here about 5 times in the last 4 years.

I was around, however, when the FuseTalk was updated - and there was a riot (And there was usually a riot every time an incremental upgrade occured). I was also around when the change to VB happened - and there was a riot. I was also around when the SwapMeet changed - and there was a riot. You may be seeing a pattern here. I was simply commenting that this happens every time. And as an aside, it's usually the same people leading the revolt.

As a moderator, you can't banter with the membership because then you are asking for everyone to question every decision you will ever make. I invite you all to open your own site, add 30,000 users and try to play referee. People will say the damndest things perched behind their keyboards. It really isn't that fun reading through every thread trying to pick out (sometimes highly) objectionable material or looking for morons who post **** on a site with this much traffic.

I do, however, find all this angst aimed at me pretty entertaining. It doesn't matter what I say, MPS, MtnDoo, and their ilk will go after me. They perceive me as the enemy because anyone who disagrees with their position is not only wrong, but stupid (and they probably just don't like me, the person they've never met). They'll grasp at straws and shoot back the obligatory "I know you are, but what am I?" (which has already happened a couple times). I don't take what they say personal because I have no clue who they are. In real life I'm sure they're nice enough guys. There is just something about anonymity and distance that gives people the confidence to say whatever may strike the brain.

But the fact is that they're still not really privy to all the information involved in making the decisions for the direction of the forum. I understand that a lot of people here feel like SnoWest is their home and they feel like their home is being bulldozed. But this is a business, and I'm guessing that Harris Publishing is in a better position to decide how best to monetize their assets. User feedback is important, but not dispositive. At some point, they have to make a decision and push towards it.

Perhaps people could refrain from launching personal attacks at the owners and accusing them of poor business management. Or they could voice their displeasure once, instead of writing the same thing half a million times and attacking anyone who might disagree with them. If you're really that displeased by the direction, then go start your own site and have a go at it. If it really is a bad business decision, then SnoWest forums will fold and you'll all end up on your feet at some other forum. I doubt it will happen, but prognosticators will be prognosticators.

 

[MPS]

I do, however, find all this angst aimed at me pretty entertaining. It doesn't matter what I say, MPS, MtnDoo, and their ilk will go after me. They perceive me as the enemy because anyone who disagrees with their position is not only wrong, but stupid (and they probably just don't like me, the person they've never met). They'll grasp at straws and shoot back the obligatory "I know you are, but what am I?" (which has already happened a couple times). I don't take what they say personally because I have no clue who they are. In real life I'm sure they're nice enough guys. There is just something about anonymity and distance that gives people the confidence to say whatever may strike the brain.

Give it a rest. Gotta have the last word, don't ya?


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