SNOWEST FORUMS: Member Comments on "Letter to All Members"

[MtnDoo]

Is B-a-c-k-c-o-u-n-t-r-y-r-e-b-e-l-s-d-o-t-c-o-m. ?

Interesting, is that the same as...

m-o-c-t-o-d-s-l-e-b-e-r-y-r-t-n-u-o-c-k-c-a-B

 

[helmethair]

i don't get it

 

[drphil]

It really doesnt matter either way to me.... The forum aint what it used to be anyway.

I never subscribed to Snowest. I dont think its worth the price. My opinion
I like the things I need here which I can and will do for free and wont pay for the SPECIAL FEATURES they are like the magazine.... ya it has pages but one trip to the toilet and I can do the whole rag and still be sitting there waiting to finish up the paperwork.

 

[motorheadperf]

Im sorry but am i in the wrong place? I thought I was in SNOWEST and NOT American frickin snowmobiler where they too have to pay for a seperate website bill. THis is a bunch of crap folks. AS subscribers we ALL should have a right to use this website like we all been. I have like you all been using this site for how long and never have had any problems. And now like so many other Rich corporations out there. Now we have to start charging money. Really good way to go, especially in the more economic areas of the country. Good line of thinking. . Obviously the corporate masterminds who came up with this brilliant plan must be directly related to Governor Jennifer Grannholm of Michigan. My question to you Snowest is... If the country is so haard hit right now and next year. Why would I use my economic pennies im already giving you in the first place to pay for a web site? If this is true then I say Craigslist is free.. You put two and two together....THanks for loosing another subscriber.

 

[Diceman]

it really doesnt matter either way to me.... The forum aint what it used to be anyway.

I never subscribed to snowest. I dont think its worth the price. My opinion
i like the things i need here which i can and will do for free and wont pay for the special features they are like the magazine.... Ya it has pages but one trip to the toilet and i can do the whole rag and still be sitting there waiting to finish up the paperwork.

perfect!!!!

 

[XC700116]

If this was a PROFIT CENTER and was throwing off cash for the last 11 years, then you would be dead nuts right.

But its not, and it hasn't and there is no real expectation that it will.

Your analogy might be better like this.

The school building and facilities have been owned and operated by Harris for years,

The teachers have been their rooms to teach at their leisure and the students have had free admission.

All the while Harris has been paying for the building that everyone has been enjoying.

And now, after 11 years, they are asking all the students to pay a very small fee to cover all of the costs of that building, maintenance and upkeep.

OMG!!!!!!!! You did not just make this analogy in response to a post about paying to share your information did you??? In what world of make believe is it that the teachers have to pay to teach?

REMEMBER who here has the problem with paying and who does not, simply most of the people that come here and have very little to offer or don't share info but gain a ton of info are glad to pay for it and so would I in their shoes, some like MH will always work their tails off and pay to do it just for the good of the sport and the community. While still others will refuse to pay to support your website with content. These are the people you need to worry about and how quickly that group grows or shrinks as THAT IS why the first group comes here. If they disappear shortly thereafter so does group number 1. Then all your left with is Guys like MH sitting here broken hearted because despite their honest hard working efforts it still all collapsed.


Now consider this, Make the site a Not-for-profit organization. IE: By law all the $$ generated must either be reinvested or donated to another cause. Just a thought but that might get people past the idea of the profit potential.

The other thing that irritates me is that there was obviously a need for more capital to run the site, evidenced by the donation tab that was up for some time. BUT, while that was there we never did get an explanation of the situation like we have now after tons of hate, discontent and uproar.

Big D??? Why was a mass PM not sent to explain the situation???????? I know that for me a lack of explanation was the reason I did not donate then. I have a hard time giving money to something if I don't have specifics. There may have been a thread on it but to be forced to go on a treasure hunt for answers on why you should donate money is less than effective.

Which brings me to my final point. No matter the truth of the situation, and we're not just going to take your word for it, we've heard that enough.

Weather or not it is reality, the sequence of events seems awful convenient, first the new Grand Poobah shows up to change the world adds tons of layers to the forum, then speed problems start happening, then all of a sudden we're getting new dedicated hardware, and oh by the way we're now going to a pay site structure.

 

[Boondock]

10 DOLLARS IS NOT THE PROBLEM

I'll say this one last time, I WOULD GLADLY PAY 50.00 TO HAVE OUR FORUM BACK



OVER

No doubt! If we could have it back to the way it was a few years ago. Or even in the early 2000's. I have been a member a long time and it is going downhill fast since fistopher has taken over.
Hope HP will listen to it's users if not it will continue to spiral down.

 

[Boondock]

Also where is our fearless leader for change fistopher???

 

[GODEEP]

As a business owner that has to pay for bandwith, I fully understand this. Servers and hosts do not work for free. Personally, no issue here with paying for the best of all options. Even 3 years is cheaper than taking my family to dinner. I paid a lot more for a lifetime membership on ty, of course I did get a hat, shirt and sweatshirt with that (lmao). Count me in, I will be glad to pay some money for the benefit of this forum.

Sure, I own a couple businesses myself. Its not rocket science. BUT.. Does your business have a website that can generate income from advertising? This one does. Does your business have a magazine they need to sell and also have a great marketing tool called snowestDOTcom? This one does.

How much does your business spend on marketing? I know my advertising $$$ tends to be A BOAT LOAD MORE than the cost of running a large forum. 30,000 members is nothing. The problem here is for the small comunity of snowmobilers, 30,0000 is a large number BUT for an internet forum. 30,000 is not a big deal, nor does it require a nasa super computer lab to run.

What you all are missing, is the fact that they are simply looking to add more $$ in thier pockets. Using our info and selling it. Getting to advertise without the expenses. WAKE UP PEOPLE! If you know business, you should get it.

None of us want these "COOL NEW FEATURES". Make it a simple forum like it was back in the day. Save your money snowest, and save your reputation.

 

[MtnDoo]

Well Christopher, you're plan is already working!
Sure hope you get far with your $10 from some new lurking newbie video chatting & file-sharing .WAVs.
Gus is/was one of the bright lights in the Doo Turbo section - GONE.
How many will simply disappear silently.

Just keeping it real!

MtnDoo


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Hey guys I'm out of this site
Due to the impending changes coming to this site I will be stepping off.

Those of you who I've chatted /worked/ helpes out.. you have my cell and my e mail.
gus.bohne@comcast.net

good riding and all the best to all of you riders.

say hi to the new program being brought to you by the lil'' bernie maddoff.

Gus

 

[helmethair]

christopher is definitely making this worse and pissing people off. XC700116 is absolutely perfectly right.

 

[sledhed84]

I haven't read all the posts but all i have to say is i won't be paying for a subriscption. The only reason they needed new servers is all this stupid chit christopher decided to put on here. Personally I don't give 2 ****'s about any of it. I just posted stupid things in my garage, I already figured out how to manuilpate the points system and i'm pretty sure every other upgrade he puts on here will be just as retatded. Personally i come on here for a few good laughs and to shoot the **** with friends. If i want a good laugh I can go somewhere else, if i want to talk to friends i can call them and if i need a question answered i can look for it as a free basic member cause i can gurantee that the questions i have has already been asked and answered before.

 

[thatnewm6guy]

I read through the first couple of pages and I agree that this is probably going to deter new members from joining. Frankly, I don't post enough to justify paying for the site. I'm sure others will be in my same boat and just forget about the site when the new changes and fees are put in place.

There will always be idiots on the forum who post useless rabble if this is a paysite or not.

It bums me out to think that I won't be using the site when the changes happen. I guess I better use the time from now till then to bone up on all of the info I can get...

 

[sledder1966]

After reading about 6 pages of posts I am taking the stance of wait and see. I am not able to frequent these forums as much as I would like due to the lack of time in a 24 hour period I have to sleep sometime. I hope good things come of this change.

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

i completely agree with you and i certainly hope you're not trying to lump me into the latter category because of my join date. not everyone that appears to be a noobie is useless and not everyone with 500,000 posts is useful

No I'm not, but you see most of the guys that are saying "ohhh ten bucks isn't that much are guys that have been here for 6 months or less and all of their posts are in max threads and such.

 

[Weekday Warrior]

good nitty gritty snowmobile modding know how typically doesn't come from the x-box generation

its those crusty old guys I want to hear from, guys that have been modding sleds since I was in diapers, and they typically arn't the type that wants to see (lets alone pay for) junk on a website.

they're going to be on dial up peckin keys one at a time with dirty fingernails, if they even bother to log in.


I see the site moving from a place of information to a place of entertainment.

 

[snowcatter]

You can keep your "change"

I'm going to add my "2 cents" here. I didn't ask for all these changes and upgrades, and you guys didn't ask us either. You just started messing around with a community that was happy the way it was. If you want to start charging us for use of your site, then you can count me out. You can keep your magazine as well, I'll cancel my subscription that I have held for the last six years. Because I feel that subscribers should be given free access to the web site.

 

[MtnDoo]

Hey Christopher:

With all of the $00.02 offerings here, you could pay for one of those new servers!
(the one that could house the old forum that actually worked)

I'm seeing friends jump ship already - nice frickin jawb.

MD.

 

[tbirdscott]

Thankfully theres other good FREE snowmobile forums to visit. All the 'good' people who also refuse to pay to visit and participate on an internet forum will just mosey onto another 'free' forum and will likely make it better than what this forum will become...

Theres a reason I never posted much on this forum, and now theres another, I'll continue to browse for a while depending on what scraps are left for us non payers to read but I'll probabally not sign in again.

my 2c

Scott

 

[Freezzn]

Several months ago I posted this thread on this very subject.
http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=161226

I followed the link and it said you enjoy the outdoors. Does this mean you snowmobile?? Atv?? Or are you one of those super greenie hikers that want everything powersports shut down? You never even said if you ride, just that you spend countless hours on the computer.