SNOWEST FORUMS: Member Comments on "Letter to All Members"

[blurredelevens]

So those free sites will be willing to donate money to make a diffrence?

C'mon man, this isn't brain surgery.

There is all sorts of free forum software out there.
You band together, buy a url and some hosting and charge all the members a fee like they want to here. Any surplus from the members "fees" goes towards your cause.

Simple.

 

[MtnDoo]

I love SnoWest.
Please change it & charge me cuz I can pay.

Thanks!

MD.

 

[blurredelevens]

Like I said before, a few will decide to pay, the quality of this board will drop into the gutter, and the rest will go elsewhere along with the masses where info is once again readily available.

I had no idea that the average IQ around here was so low.

 

[backcountryislife]

So those free sites will be willing to donate money to make a diffrence?

NO, get off yer AZZ & donate 100% of the money yourself.

You can sit here & feel all warm & fuzzy about 5% of your $$ going to a good cause, but the reality is, the overwhelming majority of it is just going into someone else's pocket.

Also when you do it yourself, you get the opportunity to write letters, and do more for the cause than send $$.

I've written 4 letters in regards to a few local land use issues in the last two weeks alone, if I hadn't interacted with the groups that send out these notices myself that would have been missed.

 

[suitcase]

Like I said before, a few will decide to pay, the quality of this board will drop into the gutter, and the rest will go elsewhere along with the masses where info is once again readily available.

I had no idea that the average IQ around here was so low.

Just becuase people don't agree with you does not mean the IQ is low, as far as I can see remarks like that make you look like a fool. YOU have your opinion just like I have mine, grow up.

 

[suitcase]

NO, get off yer AZZ & donate 100% of the money yourself.

You can sit here & feel all warm & fuzzy about 5% of your $$ going to a good cause, but the reality is, the overwhelming majority of it is just going into someone else's pocket.

Also when you do it yourself, you get the opportunity to write letters, and do more for the cause than send $$.

I've written 4 letters in regards to a few local land use issues in the last two weeks alone, if I hadn't interacted with the groups that send out these notices myself that would have been missed.

Well I do donate and write letters, and enjoy this site and don't mind 5% of my membership fee going to the samething.

 

[Steamboat-RN]

Anything worth having in life comes at a cost. Anything that costs nothing eventually has no value. I know speaking for myself that the Snowest site has aided me to the tune of thousands of dollars and if paying a small stipend for that privelage is required then two thumbs up. I am convinced the dues and fees will be put to good use and the quality of the site will be enhanced. Snowest, thanks for 11 years of free trial, it's been a bargain.

Would that be the valueless free snowest that saved you all that money?

 

[blurredelevens]

Just becuase people don't agree with you does not mean the IQ is low, as far as I can see remarks like that make you look like a fool. YOU have your opinion just like I have mine, grow up.

If you're going to talk to me, that's gonna cost you a dollar per post.

 

[diamonddave]

I personally will be glad to pay when the time comes. I have read so much good info from this site that pertains exactly to what I have and how I ride that I couldn't imagine finding a better source.

I find it strange that people say they are planning to leave the site "based on the principal of the thing".... Basically you are saying that all the info you have gathered from this site over the length of time you have been here is literally not worth anything to you? That's surprising, to me the information is quite valuable. Should HP be penalized by losing money on this site just so that the members will have a free place to exchange information? I would think that you would be thankful to have this resource at your disposal any time you care to look at it.

I have also noticed that many people have forgotten about a portion of that money going back to supporting the sport... A website that helps fight for the rights of sledders, I think that would be a great idea, don't you?

Keep in mind, there is a LOT more being proposed here than just asking everyone to help out, there will be real benefits, for example: When was the last time you saw the dreaded "Database Error" pop up that we have been experiencing for the better part of the last year? Last time I checked, that problem has been resolved. The speed issue will be put to rest for good also, no longer will we be on a 'community' server that hosts a dozen other forums.

I think there will be some real good coming to the forum in the near future and everyone will get to experience what it has to offer before being asked to make that commitment should you wish to participate with all the premium benefits. If not, much of the forum will still be free for those who wish to not buy into it.

There are choices and advantages to be had, nothing is without options. I will be glad to pay my way when the time comes, and I will be glad to know a portion of my membership will be donated to fight for our riding areas.

First of all, I think it's rather tacky that moderators have to come on here and defend christophers big plan.

Second of all, 94 Ford guy and others...yes you have and all of us have reaped the rewards of all this great info from Snowest. However, you/we recieved all this great information when it was still a free site.

Christopher, I would appreciate a serious answer to a serious question: How many members are you anticipating will stay and pay out of the 36,000 present members? You must have some estimates?

 

[TheCirque]

RIP Snowest....

I'm sad to hear about the upcoming demise of the Forums. It's my opinion that their days are numbered.

Simple is better. I think Snowest is out of touch with their "consumer base" here. Things have been getting more complicated for awhile now. Change is one thing, but I don't think "more interactive" is what we're all looking for here.

I personally don't give a crap about "Webinars with industry insiders" crazy search features, etc., and I'm betting not many people do either. I want "Use-Ability", simplicity. What I do want is to know how to fix my 97 RMK..or where to get parts or what my buddies are building, riding this week. Snowest is moving away from this. More technology won't compensate for the complicated, must pay, hoity-toity attitude that is gaining speed here.

The worth of Snowest was in the people that showed up and offered info. Once they go away, there is no value...no matter how kick a$$ your new server is. Even the occasional argument was fun. (If you quit responding to a knuckle-head, they go away)

We just want to ride...and talk snowmobiles.


It's my theory that in the vaccum left by Snowest becoming a pay site, there will arise a greater FREE forum like the one we all used to know and love. I'll be there...just like I WAS here.

Rest in Peace, Snowest. Ya got greedy and you'll pay the price....not us.

 

[diamonddave]

I had no idea that the average IQ around here was so low.

This was evident with the newspaper industry failing comeback!!

 

[94fordguy]

First of all, I think it's rather tacky that moderators have to come on here and defend christophers big plan.

Second of all, 94 Ford guy and others...yes you have and all of us have reaped the rewards of all this great info from Snowest. However, you/we recieved all this great information when it was still a free site.

Christopher, I would appreciate a serious answer to a serious question: How many members are you anticipating will stay and pay out of the 36,000 present members? You must have some estimates?

Like I said, those are my personal views, I have not been told to support this because I am a moderator, I do look forward to some of the changes that are coming... there is some stuff that I will have no use for, but some of it I am looking forward to.

Second, Yes, I have benefited from a lot of information on this site over the last several years, and that's why I don't mind helping keep the lights on,

The users make this place one heck of a party, but it is after all HP that has been providing the facilities, and now they are asking for a little help during the renovation process... Waxing the floors, paying the electrical bill, fixing the roof, if we all are beneficiaries of the hall, why not help out with making it look as good as it can.

 

[Steamboat-RN]

Agreed.
We see and recognize that this is a risk.
But...

On the other side of that very same coin is the all to real possibility that we will successfully bring in people who have studiously avoided participating in any of the public forums simply because they are not willing to deal with all the juvenile nonsense that so frequently attends this place.

There are a whole lot of real players in our industry that DO NOT PARTICIPATE on any forums.

We will be working to bring some of them in here.

So you would have us believe that there is this vast collection of intelligent, knowledgeable lurkers out there just waiting to join in the forum? But that they have been reluctant to do so because they would have to be subjected to all of us riff-raff?
Your theory is that if someone pays to use a site that they are somehow more intelligent.
Do you plan on paying those "real players in our industry" to join the forum?
How lucky for us who are only fake players.

BTW. Some of the so called "junenile nonsense" on this site is exactally what gives this site character. And has kept many of us coming back to see what happens next.

You have to take the good with the bad on any forum. Not all threads will have intrinsic value. Some only offer comic relief. (snopropanther comes to mind)
Even this thread is like watching a slow-motion train wreck.
I know the outcome will be a disaster and yet I can't turn away.

 

[SHIZZIZZLE]

newer member to this site. and won't be for long, i guess. why pay, when you can get as good or better service free on the net. now a member on a free site that is fast, clean, and lotsa info. www.snowandmud.com

Guess I won't be here for long, and I was really looking forward to it!

 

[Flamedcummins]

I'm still curious if say 30,000 people stay and all of em spend 30 bucks for a 3 year membership and then the doors close hows that get dealt with, are 30k people gonna find out where the head guy with all the money is and take care of "business" Amazing the talk on the other free sites seems to be all the people leaving here and finding new places...looks real grim... as stated before i'm not opposed to paying the 10 bucks just need to make sure its gonna be worth my hard earned cash, even if it be only 10 dollars

 

[Steamboat-RN]

The users make this place one heck of a party, but it is after all HP that has been providing the facilities, and now they are asking for a little help during the renovation process... Waxing the floors, paying the electrical bill, fixing the roof, if we all are beneficiaries of the hall, why not help out with making it look as good as it can.

The issue as I see it is that the decision to fix up the hall was made without any imput from the users. Many of the changes do not sit well with a LARGE percentage of the long time users.
There should have been some polls and suggestion posts asking for what WE wanted for improvements.
Christopher put the cart before the horse and rammed too much through. Nearly caused the system to implode. And now wants use to pay to fix it.

But then, I'm not one of those "real players".

Party-on Nero and don't pay any attention to those flames.

 

[spook222]

it amazes me how one person could come on here and screw things up so badly. Christoper is probably a nice person in his own right but as soon as his first post popped up on sw, things quickly started going down hill. I have personally gained lots more knowledge on this site than I have been able to offer, but hopefully that will change, if not on this site, there are others.
It boils down to this for me, the site was clipping along and seemed to run pretty well, once in a while an idiot would come along and do what idiots do, but generally the mods stayed out of things and they worked themselves out.
That's how it should be in my opinion. Now the mods are heavy handed, the site is slow and full of useless fluff and most of the people that have helped me in the past are gone or talking about leaving and to top it off, now they want me to pay for it? As has been stated earlier, if the site was put back to pre Christopher I would gladly pay triple what is being asked. Will I pay $10 a year? I guess if I can swallow this bs that's being shoved down my throat, we'll see

 

[Flamedcummins]

The issue as I see it is that the decision to fix up the hall was made without any imput from the users. Many of the changes do not sit well with a LARGE percentage of the long time users.
There should have been some polls and suggestion posts asking for what WE wanted for improvements.
Christopher put the cart before the horse and rammed too much through. Nearly caused the system to implode. And now wants use to pay to fix it.

But then, I'm not one of those "real players".

Party-on Nero and don't pay any attention to those flames.

Agreed it be like having someone show up paint your house neon pink and green while your at work and then charge you to fix it....Members make the community but teh community has no say so what so ever....communism

 

[Dobber1]

funny how most people will spend 10 to sit on there azz in front of a putor.but wont send SAWS the 10 bucks to save our riding areas

.....nor will they join a club!

 

[MPS]

I find it interesting that Darrell Harris sells Harris Publishing to his two sons and since then things go in a very different direction. I guess the two boys need to pay that monthly loan payment along with their high mortgages and large car payments...gotta keep up with the Jones's ya know! hahaha

Christopher....I really didn't have an opinion of you before this thread. I certainly do now. BTW, I don't like what you have done to this forum. Big D...you know my feelings about you...I thought you were at a Star Wars convention, the dark side must have gotten the best of you, eh?

I must agree with my bro Slim...if you have a sled related business you better not be a moderator! It is pathetic SW has allowed this, but this isn't a democracy...but usually a business listens to their customers. hmmmm does mmsports have a vested interest? LMFAO! I have never heard of you until this thread....but it is pretty apparent what your agenda is. You sound like your Preston buddies ....ya know the ex-chief of police and ex-mayor/state parole officer...hahaha....are you all that way down there!? Seriously? "Whiner forum?" LMAO....I am seeing more and more of this...you disagree with a moderator and/or you express your opinion about the direction of this forum you are labelled a whiner....haha...all I can say is pathetic. You (certain moderators) sound like the current occupants of the White House. I guess we should just shut up like Obama wants all the conservatives to do in regards to Obamacare? I am really sick of stupid people...my tolerance level is about gone.

I have met a lot of good friends on here...life long friends...for example, Sunridge Sledhead, Idaho Slim, CoyoteGirl, sledchick, Idpwdagrl, SnoJo, Kevco, Mtm7, Super B, Ski-Doo Junkie, Griz....I am sure I have missed some and I apologize. I will forever be grateful for linking me with these great people. This is the ONLY reason I will consider staying on this forum....because of the great people I have met on here and for good information they provide. If I stay it will have NOTHING to do with these so-called services you provide. Don't get me wrong I am grateful that SW forum has been a vehicle for me to met great people and receive great info.

Another question...is Greg Manwaring in charge of the advertising on this site? I know he is in charge of the magazine's advertising. Gee...you might be wondering how I know so much about the inner-workings of SW...LMAO.

Cheers! MPS