Alot of people will only register one sled and will leave the family at home. Gas tax money I believe is split three ways motorized, nonmotorized and shared, whatever that means. Nonmotorized can use any trail they want! Fuel costs do not warrant this large of an increase. I guess poor management,excessive spending and theft must be added into operating costs.
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Well, my family and I will pay it this year for sure. But if the trails are as gawdawful as they were last year in the horns we will certainly find a new place to ride! The trails were absolute garbage the entire time we were there and we were there saturday-tuesday riding! I don't mind it but my folks don't enjoy it.
$55 is steep, but if fees are dispbursed to the proper areas we will all continue paying them. Hopefully those with families aren't scared off by the increase. For those of us that only have one or two sleds to pay for the new fees shouldn't stop us. Be there in January!
From thier website: MBNA is a non-profit organization supported by its members, other community contributors, and grants. Memberships and donations are vital for covering administrative costs such as insurance, mailings, and the web site where we post information about trail conditions and events. They also help pay for grooming of the ski trails, which is done entirely by MBNA.
My guess it they get grants from RTP much the same as we do. I will have to check, but I am pretty sure they don't get any from tag sales as they are a Non-profit organization on ther own.
To each his own. But understand without trails we face a graater chance of being locked out!
Not sure how the gas tax works, I just know we get roughly 15 for every permit sold back into the program.
We had probably the worst year in snow ever. Trails were not great anywhere in the state, i know here int eh Snowy's we rode pavement for miles and there was not enough to cover. You won't get good trail's with out a good base, and we never got it last year. Guess what I am saying is last year is a hard one to add to the Trails gripe list based on snow cover!
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The experience of riding in the mountains is well worth it in my opinion especially for us who live in the ****ty flatlands. Nothing beats taking a trip to see what kinda challenges we can come across. Its a rush for me to be able to do the kind of riding in the mountains that i can never do at home. for the people who love the mountain riding they will pay just for the experience that they only get a couple times a year.
Seems like when they used independents to do the grooming we had good results and they controlled the budgit. Then the state took over and it was crap and now budgit is out of line????
**Edit, I even remember some of the independents putting flyers out in the parking lot to protest it and to let people know it wasnt them dropping the ball a few years ago???????am i right on that?
**Edit, I even remember some of the independents putting flyers out in the parking lot to protest it and to let people know it wasnt them dropping the ball a few years ago???????am i right on that?
$50 is fine with me- not even a tank of fuel in the truck.
NY was getting around $100 per year for sled tags when I left so Wyoming at $50 is still a steal
NY was getting around $100 per year for sled tags when I left so Wyoming at $50 is still a steal
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I think we all understand that we have to pay to play and most of us aren't going to crab about an increase. The increase needs to be reasonable and the sledders need to see tangible results (improved grooming equipment, better trails, better signage, etc). Don't get me wrong, those guys in the Snowy's worked their tails off to keep trails groomed last year but low snow and that crap the FS left them with to use made it pretty tough.
That being said, what about looking forward? Gas prices aren't going to go down and that will affect the number of miles/cost to groom. What about a multi-year permit? The only problem I see is that with the current system they need your VIN for your permit and some people get new sleds every year. A multi-year permit gives some long-term planning (oh, wait - the govt doesn't care about long term). Nevermind.
I think we all understand that we have to pay to play and most of us aren't going to crab about an increase. The increase needs to be reasonable and the sledders need to see tangible results (improved grooming equipment, better trails, better signage, etc). Don't get me wrong, those guys in the Snowy's worked their tails off to keep trails groomed last year but low snow and that crap the FS left them with to use made it pretty tough.
That being said, what about looking forward? Gas prices aren't going to go down and that will affect the number of miles/cost to groom. What about a multi-year permit? The only problem I see is that with the current system they need your VIN for your permit and some people get new sleds every year. A multi-year permit gives some long-term planning (oh, wait - the govt doesn't care about long term). Nevermind.
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I doubt the increase will cause problems with local riders that spend a bunch of their time riding in WY but I think you will see a drop in tourism traffic and out of state riders. For example, when I lived in MT we would take our sleds to Jackson every year and ride TOG the friday of the Hillclimbs. A $25 sticker wasn't a big deal for one day of riding but I'm positive our group would have not paid $55 a piece for sticker when we were only going to ride once, and most likey be really hung over when we did. I think the large groups coming from the mid west might feel the same way, if a state like MT or CO has registration for 25-30/sled, they would be more attractive to large out of state groups. I don't know any of this for a fact but I can see that there's a chance overall revenue would fall with over doubling the price of registration. Slowly phasing in an increase would probably set better with people than the one time large price increase.
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You would be hard pressed to find a larger precentage of people in Jackson hillclimb weekend that are more intersted in snowmobiling than drinking. BUT....
That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying there are lots of people that end up in WY for various reasons that may not be related to snowmobiling. I know when I travel for work I concider driving and bringing my sled if I'll have a chance to ride in a new area, but sledding has nothing to do with my job. If it cost me $100 for a sticker and I'm only going to ride for a day and I probabably won't be back for the season I'll most likely skip it. Same thing when my girlfriend drags me to her parents house during the winter, I'll take off and ride a couple days but again, a $100 sticker or in this case maybe even a $60 sticker would probably make me skip it. Because I live reasonably close to WY, I'll buy the sticker but I plan to be there most of the season.
Another consideration is the people in eastern MT that ride Top of the World and the beartooth pass over to Cooke City, that trail is only in WY for a couple miles but most of the people I know that make that ride into Cooke pay for the WY sticker just to avoid any possible trouble. If the sticker price doubles they may stop buying that insurance and find another way around that stay in MT.
I'm not arguing that prices don't need to go up, I'm just saying there are lots of conciderations to think about before doubling the price of something. If the price increase in incremental over several years the demand has time to adjust and you may be able to keep a large portion of people from throwing in the towel.
It's $55 for an entire season. I spend more than that to go out to dinner with my wife. Go ride one day on a snowboard at Vail and you are paying over $100. If you want the trails maintained than I would just suck it up and pay it. Imagine how mogul bad some of those trails would get if there were no grooming... no thanks
Any way you look at it, you gotta pay to play in this sport.
Any way you look at it, you gotta pay to play in this sport.
Yeah but buy a season pass to ski/snowboard, ride 30-40 times a season, and you're paying closer to $15 a day. But different activity, different costs.
In any case, $55 isn't awful, especially for those riding here often and only owning a sled or two. I'm new to Wyoming but I'll have a sticker if I ever get my sled back together.
Groomed trails are nice, but trails are boring!
In any case, $55 isn't awful, especially for those riding here often and only owning a sled or two. I'm new to Wyoming but I'll have a sticker if I ever get my sled back together.
Groomed trails are nice, but trails are boring!
There are areas in the snowies you have to ride trails to get to the secret pow spots. Of course none of us give a crap to ride trails.
I have to ride 15-25 miles of trails to get to where I want from the north side at my cabin. Way nicer feeling non-strained and 100% on top of my game when I get to my secret pow locations in the trees than feeling like I got beat up the whole ride in because of a whooped out trail...
No the price is not set, that is just the price the legislative committee is looking at. It still has to go thought the legislature committee and through a full vote. The price will not change until 2013 at the earliest. The prices are as follows, incase you have not gotten the word.
Resident 40.00$
Non-res 55.00$
Commercial 200.00$
Again nothing is set in stone yet!
According to sources here in the snowies, the state is allowing more control of grooming by the contractors. Our source says the trail heads should be groomed six days a week, dependent on snow conditions of course.
I'm assuming the commercial license is for rentals? Is that for their entire rental fleet or one sled? What did it used to be?
Is anyone concerned with the possible economic impact around Laramie, Saratoga, Centennial, Albany?
Hopefully the economy rebounds and the price of fuel drops so guys, and gals, will be making more and it won't be an issue.
Is anyone concerned with the possible economic impact around Laramie, Saratoga, Centennial, Albany?
Hopefully the economy rebounds and the price of fuel drops so guys, and gals, will be making more and it won't be an issue.
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