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Patrol Plans Sobriety Checkpoints

It's just like anything else, the bad apples ruined it for everyone. I bet there is a very small percentage of people that blow between .08 and .10 that have killed people while driving. But it's the people that drive home when they are completely "smashed" that are killing people and themselves.

jsledder said:
after all if your at .08 that means you had just a little too much cough syrup. A guy can't even go downtown for happy hour and have 2 beers without legally being over the limit, you come across one of these "checkpoints" and your now in for a big pain in the ***.
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When I was in high school I was caught drinking(underage obviously), but I wasn't driving. I had 5 or 6 beers and only blew a .087. I only weight about 165 pounds. I don't know how the hell you could blow a .08 on two beers unless you chugged them in 30 seconds and didn't eat the whole day. If you can I guess I've drove drunk ALOT, because I've went to the bar alot and had two beers and then drove 30 miles to a friend's house. Two is always my limit if I'm driving. I'll usually eat something between and drink a pop afterwards too.

HawkShot99 said:
.08 to me I could most likely drive fine, .08 to a smaller person is a much greater effect.
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How so?

A 110 lb. person that blows a .08 has an equal amount(percentage wise) of alcohol in their blood as a 250 lb. person that blows .08 does. It takes the lighter person less alcohol to get there and excluding genetics, etc. they could drive just as good as you. .08 BAC does not mean you have drank a specific amount of alcohol. It could be one mixed drink for a 100 lb. petite woman and 10 beers for a 300 pound alcohlic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_alcohol_content
 
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I don't see how this is even an argument. The law states that if you blow over a .08 you are drunk and in violation of the law. It's not that hard of a concept. If you break the law and are caught then you should be punished. The .08 isn't a number that was picked out of a hat, there is research that went into the reasoning behind that number.

I'm from North Dakota, apparently one of the leaders in drinking and driving. I can't say that I'm an angel and have never driven after having too many, I did in the past. Now, in my employment I see DUIs on a daily basis and would like to keep my employment. I enjoy driving too much to lose the privilege, but more importantly I would never be able to live with myself if my drinking and driving caused harm to another person. I guess there are a lot of people on this forum that it wouldn't bother...
 
Well said!!
NDflatlander said:
I don't see how this is even an argument. The law states that if you blow over a .08 you are drunk and in violation of the law. It's not that hard of a concept. If you break the law and are caught then you should be punished. The .08 isn't a number that was picked out of a hat, there is research that went into the reasoning behind that number.

I'm from North Dakota, apparently one of the leaders in drinking and driving. I can't say that I'm an angel and have never driven after having too many, I did in the past. Now, in my employment I see DUIs on a daily basis and would like to keep my employment. I enjoy driving too much to lose the privilege, but more importantly I would never be able to live with myself if my drinking and driving caused harm to another person. I guess there are a lot of people on this forum that it wouldn't bother...
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NDflatlander said:
I don't see how this is even an argument. The law states that if you blow over a .08 you are drunk and in violation of the law. It's not that hard of a concept. If you break the law and are caught then you should be punished. The .08 isn't a number that was picked out of a hat, there is research that went into the reasoning behind that number.

I'm from North Dakota, apparently one of the leaders in drinking and driving. I can't say that I'm an angel and have never driven after having too many, I did in the past. Now, in my employment I see DUIs on a daily basis and would like to keep my employment. I enjoy driving too much to lose the privilege, but more importantly I would never be able to live with myself if my drinking and driving caused harm to another person. I guess there are a lot of people on this forum that it wouldn't bother...
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Just because it is a law doesn't make it right! And where exactly is this .08 research, and who did this?
 
Many times at the legal limit is officer discretion to charge you with DUI depending on orders from above if 0 tolerence is to be enforced. I blew .08 once after pacing myself and I really wasn't that bad. I had a mile to go and the officer let me off but followed me home. I have also seen people blow .07, .08 and .09 and the officer made them call a ride.
 
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SD must be a little easier. the only call you make for a ride in MN is the next morning from inside the jail.
 
Counties make a diff too. Brookings county has either a judge or a prosecutor that lost an arm to a drunk driver. From what I heard there is no pleabargain with they guy and you get max punishment.
 
Anti-Hero said:
That is too funny rotflmao.

No I do not think you can call this an age thing. The fact of the matter is that the system is twisted. Where does the .08 come from? Is there any real science to back this number? Of the people that have killed others due to alcohol how many were close to .08? Very few I bet! And the worst part of this is that Citizens are willing to look the other way as the Constitutional rights are being stripped from them so that the police can make a quick buck on DUI checkpoints. As the Nuge would say people being sheep with their sheepy nose up another sheepy azz.
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I've read the constitution and nowhere in it is a right to drink and drive. The Constitution is not a living document like so many people think it is. It was written by our founding fathers who had a great plan for our great young country. I'm sure they had morals and ethics also. Which sadly are lacking in way to many people nowdays And yes there is science to the .08 limit. Lots of research on lots of people have been done measuring reaction time after certain amounts of alcohol was consumed and how many minutes between those drinks and how long it took to affect people. I'm sure if you care enough you could leave this forum and google it and find out all the research and FACTS you would ever want on this subject. Also there was a statement on here by someone claiming that Colorado did not calibrate for Barometric pressure and probably people were convicted wrongly. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Doesn't it take less alcohol to get drunk at high altidude than at sea level. So if that is the case were the machines really wrong?Or were they showing people at a lower BAC than they really were?
 
skidoorulz said:
I've read the constitution and nowhere in it is a right to drink and drive. The Constitution is not a living document like so many people think it is. It was written by our founding fathers who had a great plan for our great young country. I'm sure they had morals and ethics also. Which sadly are lacking in way to many people nowdays And yes there is science to the .08 limit. Lots of research on lots of people have been done measuring reaction time after certain amounts of alcohol was consumed and how many minutes between those drinks and how long it took to affect people. I'm sure if you care enough you could leave this forum and google it and find out all the research and FACTS you would ever want on this subject. Also there was a statement on here by someone claiming that Colorado did not calibrate for Barometric pressure and probably people were convicted wrongly. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Doesn't it take less alcohol to get drunk at high altidude than at sea level. So if that is the case were the machines really wrong?Or were they showing people at a lower BAC than they really were?
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Believe me I have done 100 times more research on this topic then you will ever have the interest in doing. As for the Constitution there is the part that has to due with the Premise of innocence, and also Probable cause, hence the officer at a checkpoint had no reason or Probable cause to contact a driver. Maybe you should read this document again. And yes please come to Colorado and we will sit on top of Trail Ridge road and drink I bet that your tolerence will be nothing(pressure). And yes the intoxilyzer 5000en runs at 34c normal body temp 37c. As for .08 all this reseach I have done, leads me nowhere, sure you can find many links but not any non bias reputable websites. But if you believe everything on the internet is true, sure it is out there. Furthermore I have had talks with the late Fred Maxwell (Director of the breath evidential alcohol testing division of CDPHE) about Henry's law and the intoxilyzer, and the molarity of the calibration solution is also wrong, Beverage grade alcohol is 192 proof that means you must calibrate with 192 proof not 200proof denatured with benzene. Oh yeah their HGN test 77% accurate if done correctly.
 
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NDflatlander said:
I don't see how this is even an argument. The law states that if you blow over a .08 you are drunk and in violation of the law. It's not that hard of a concept. If you break the law and are caught then you should be punished. The .08 isn't a number that was picked out of a hat, there is research that went into the reasoning behind that number.

I'm from North Dakota, apparently one of the leaders in drinking and driving. I can't say that I'm an angel and have never driven after having too many, I did in the past. Now, in my employment I see DUIs on a daily basis and would like to keep my employment. I enjoy driving too much to lose the privilege, but more importantly I would never be able to live with myself if my drinking and driving caused harm to another person. I guess there are a lot of people on this forum that it wouldn't bother...
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X3..........
 
decarls said:
SD must be a little easier. the only call you make for a ride in MN is the next morning from inside the jail.
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you ain't kidding they won't even let you walk the 4 blocks home! Gotta get a SOBER ride. Awfull feeling calling everyone in your phone who was out partying with ya and are all passed out. Took me almost 30 minutes to find a damn sober ride.

With all this talk of .08, etc not being terrible drunk, in MN the average BAC of those who get a DUI is 0.16!! Food for thought...
 
Yes if the average BrAC is .16 then maybe they ought to be realistic and make a DUI .15, if most of the DUI's are .16 that means that most of them were driving ok (only 30% had an accident). Twice the legal limit, that just shows you the legal limit is crap! Maybe just arrest people that get into alcohol related accidents. They ought to put interlocks in police cars as well.
 
No one said the law was perfect in all regards or for every drinker. However, it is the law. Everyone knows it, like it or not. So it is only prudent and safer for the innocent and your bank account to comply. Just my .08;)
Anti-Hero said:
Yes if the average BrAC is .16 then maybe they ought to be realistic and make a DUI .15, if most of the DUI's are .16 that means that most of them were driving ok (only 30% had an accident). Twice the legal limit, that just shows you the legal limit is crap! Maybe just arrest people that get into alcohol related accidents. They ought to put interlocks in police cars as well.
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Ok Anti-Hero here's one to think about. I do not know if you are married and have kids, but let's say you are and do. Fred stops by Joe's tavern after work and has 3 beers and leaves. Fred pulls out of the parking lot and 3 blocks down the street Fred runs a stop sign and T- bones your wife of 10 years and your 5 year old daughter sitting in the back seat in a carseat right behind your wife, causing your wifes car with your 5 yearold daughter inside to careen out of control and through a power pole and underneath a parked tractor trailer. Both of them were killed instantly because the speed limit on both roads was 45mph. Now the police and fire and paramedics are on the scene but it is to late for your wife and 5 year old daughter. John Samaritan was right behind Fred since he pulled out of Joe's bar. John tells the police that Fred had just pulled out of Joe's lot not more than 3 blocks down the road. Now Fred seems ok and surely isn't acting drunk so the police tell John thanks and decide to give Fred a sobreity test and the breathalizer. Fred passes the sobreity test so the police do the breathalizer and Fred blows .08. They send Fred to the hospital to have his minor injuries looked at and he goes home 2 hours later and the paramedics are still cutting your wife and daughter out of their car. 2 days later after somewhat waking up from the shock of losing your wife and 5 year old daughter in this terrible wreck just 2 days before, you call the police and ask what charges were filed against this man and you are told that even though he blew a .08 and was by law legally drunk we will not file charges because he was at a .08 and we beleive that .15 should actually be the legal limit. Now tell me what you would do. Would you do everything in your power to crucify the police and have Fred put in prison for manslaughter or muder or whatever you could get him on because afterall .08 is the law. ORRRRRRR would you call Fred up and invite him out for a beer and let bygones be bygones? If you chose the first option, YOU MY FREIND ARE A HIPOCRIT. If you chose the second option, YOU MY FREIND ARE, welllll there are no words for that.
 
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Now this is getting good! Instead of facts now story time! Ok so before i was being preached that the law was the law like it or not, but in the scenario two options once again: 1 to go with the law. or 2 fight the law, right. Ok so since the new law is .15 is a dui. Running a stop sign in Colorado is a 4 point ticket, drunk or not. the police can also ad on this thing called failure to yeild, 3 points, and careless or reckless driving, 8 or 12 points. So the fact of the matter is most likely he will be charged with something, and lose his license. So instead of being a drunk driver in fact he was no more than a crappy driver.

OK now back to the real world, not a made story. The police have been pushed by this MADD panel crap so much that if he were by some chance able to pass a road side breathaliar test they would not stop, there would have to by law use the intoxyliar 5000 or 8000 to have a chemical print out. and once again since this machine is not claibrated correct or ran correct, the police are able to manipulate the outcome of the machine, (most really do not because i do not think they know enough about the machine to do so). and if that machine read say .132, they would not stop, down for a blood test, and then they see oh look residual trace amounts of THC, so now they got there DUI. And all the do gooders and MADD panels are DAMM happy. Now instead of paying a fine and court costs alone add in SR-22, MADD panel crap, Alcohol Education, therapy, car interlock, and random other crap, why? for an 11.4 billion dollar profit. wait; back a second the THC well where did that come from? How many know that chocolate contains trace amount of THC? the police no way hell would they no something like this.

Fact I told once officer Asbestos was a mineral, he laughed at me and told me "son asbestos is a man made fiber" what a dumb azz!
 
How about we settling this once and for all, and all get drunk at the bar. When we get into accidents we can figure out which BAC should be the standard. :rolleyes:

The sad thing is that drunk driving goes on all the time, everywhere..... but most don't say anything until something bad happens, and then it is "They knew better...."

There is a reason for MADD, because people die from drunk driving accidents all the time......, yet it is totally preventable.
 
Maybe just arrest people that get into alcohol related accidents-cause by then it would be to late for the guy that got schmucked by the drunk.

Now this is getting good! Instead of facts now story time!- I believe in the "story" that the cops said oh he's .08 but we THINK .15 should be the limit. Yep sure am right, "he was at a .08 and we beleive that .15 should actually be the legal limit."

Anti, dude did you get hosed over on a DUI charge, cause you seem to have some anger over this. I got one once and the first thing I admitted other then needing to slow the drink down, was that I deserved it, and that it was long overdue. Still admitt it, in fact I was damned lucky I made it that long and that I only got caught at .16.
 
Answer the question. Don't just sit there and give lawyer mumble jumble. I think I have finally figured you out. You are either someone who has received 1 or more DUI's in the past and have paid high priced lawyers to skirt and bend the laws to get your *** out of a jam instead of acting like a man and taking your punishment. Or you are one of the high priced scumbags I mentioned earlier and will do anything for a buck in cluding get people out of DUI's regardless of the laws. If you are the first then the next DUI you get do yourself and all others a huge favor take your punishment like a man and then take the money you would have paid the high priced scumbag and use it to treat your problem. If you are the second well there is no help for you. NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO MORE CRAP !!!!!!!!

I just looked at this guys bio. Here is something real funny! His stated ocupation is Health and SAFETY. I almost choked when I read that one.
 
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