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Patrol Plans Sobriety Checkpoints

I have met Mafesto in person and he's a damn good guy, he took time out of his work day to build a clutch tool for my Team secondary and I didn't even know him at that time. I can tell just from meeting him that he is one of those people that thinks of others before himself. The world needs more people like that.:beer;

Dammit, I'm trying to build a reputation on here!
Talk like that ain't helping!;)
 
Maf i hope a drunk like your self hits you right in your drivers door at 70 and then we will see what you think about dwi. or better yet hit your passenger door with your wife siiting there you stupid ****.

Blu

Smile. God loves you and me!
 
thats what i think about drunks. if you had a loved one killed you would think the same way too.

My Snowest friend, you don't know me at all.

I've put many friends in the dirt already from alcohol/vehicle related deaths.
Was pallbearer for 4 of them.
So I certainly have no shortage of objectivity.
 
My Snowest friend, you don't know me at all.

I've put many friends in the dirt already from alcohol/vehicle related deaths.
Was pallbearer for 4 of them.
So I certainly have no shortage of objectivity.

Maf your right i don't know you, may be i jumped to conclusion but i just got my info from your comments you have stated.
 
Maf i hope a drunk like your self hits you right in your drivers door at 70 and then we will see what you think about dwi. or better yet hit your passenger door with your wife siiting there you stupid ****.

Man that is just wrong. I would not wish that on anyone.
 
Maf i hope a drunk like your self hits you right in your drivers door at 70 and then we will see what you think about dwi. or better yet hit your passenger door with your wife siiting there you stupid ****.

Hey there Blu Du, how about listing you name and address so I can stop by with a half rack of cold ones and discuss your negative opinion of my friend Bill with you?:mad:

I specialize in attitude adjustment, and you, sir, are in dire need.
 
Hey there Blu Du, how about listing you name and address so I can stop by with a half rack of cold ones and discuss your negative opinion of my friend Bill with you?:mad:

I specialize in attitude adjustment, and you, sir, are in dire need.

Thanks Bruce,
But really, this is just a forum.
Most of you know me well enough that you know I try to provoke a radical response.
Well, I got a radical response. No big deal.
WE ARE ALL FRIENDS HERE!!!!
Let's keep it that way.:beer;:beer;:beer;

Remember, this is only entertainment!
 
Let's all remember that this great country was built on debate. Federalist versus Democratic-Republican (not a typo), Ford versus Chevy, Less Filling versus Tastes Great... our founding fathers excelled at intelligently articulating a viewpoint and responding to criticism of it. In fact, our whole system of representative government came to be because of an agreement known as the Great Compromise. If anyone remembers their history, there was quite a span between the signing of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. So many viewpoints had to be taken into consideration in order to form a cohesive government, and it took thoughtful people willing to listen to arguments in direct opposition to their own and let those shape the system in order to make it happen. In the new world of winner take all, it's viewed as a weakness to admit an opponent's argument has validity. What a shame, because that's how great ideas are lost.

Back to the subject...

Let's see the 4th amendment in it's entirety:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

When I read this, I see nothing that differentiates between public and private property. I take this to mean that without probable cause a checkpoint is in violation of the 4th amendment. Taking the public property viewpoint further, I also find bag searches entering public arenas to be in violation of it as well. However, when I have to forfeit a bag in order to view the event, then I guess that it's a choice I make; view the event by following the rules or go home.

The difference to me with a checkpoint is I don't have a choice. If I see a checkpoint coming and I choose to bypass or turn around, then that supposedly gives the LEO "reasonable suspicion" to detain me. If I choose to exercise my 4th amendment rights, then I suppose they could say I was resisting.

Here's a what-if: Let's say that I'm at a checkpoint and stone-cold sober. I refuse to roll down my window because I know that the police are using a passive sensor in their flashlight to detect alcohol vapor. I view this as being secure in my papers and effects, yet I'm sure it would be interpreted by the LEO that I'm hiding something which means he's free to yank me out of the car and search it. Do you see the slippery slope the checkpoint theory rests on? Where does it stop?
 
Pro_Marinero,

You seem to be very wise.
I will take every opportunity to argue with you on any topic just to have a
chance at expanding my narrow viewpoints.
Thanks for the thought provoking posts!

Bill
 
Pro_Marinero,

You seem to be very wise.
I will take every opportunity to argue with you on any topic just to have a
chance at expanding my narrow viewpoints.
Thanks for the thought provoking posts!

Bill

Bah... I'm just an idiot who can Google. Any idiot who can use Google seems like a regular Socrates nowadays. :D

Thanks
 
Hey there Blu Du, how about listing you name and address so I can stop by with a half rack of cold ones and discuss your negative opinion of my friend Bill with you?:mad:

I specialize in attitude adjustment, and you, sir, are in dire need.

Wow, you must be the toughest cat on this whole internet !!!!!:eek:
 
Wow, you must be the toughest cat on this whole internet !!!!!:eek:

Slick
Never said a word about being "tough". Re-read my post. I said I specialize in attitude adjustment and that, in fact, is what I do for a living.

When someone makes outrageous statements wishing harm on a friends wife and calling him names I am more than willing to defend him with whatever tools I have in my bag of tricks.

There is more than one way to bring about an attitude adjustment.
 
Slick
I said I specialize in attitude adjustment and that, in fact, is what I do for a living.

This can be taken a couple different ways, like you could be a bouncer or a psychiatrist. I would think most people would ASSume to go with the bouncer type of attitude adjustment that you do.
 
This can be taken a couple different ways, like you could be a bouncer or a psychiatrist. I would think most people would ASSume to go with the bouncer type of attitude adjustment that you do.

Well then, my friend, most people's ASSumption would have been wrong.:)
 
I just want to state that my post earlier was about protecting individual rights and the limits on the power of the government.

Drinking and driving is a touchy subject. Lots of people do it. Chances are, most of us know someone who has either killed someone, or someone who has died due to a drinking and driving incident. It is very sad indeed.

Chances are, many of us have driven home from the bar when we were not supposed to.
 
I think it should be part of your driving test....take the test sober, after 2 drinks, 4 drinks, 8 drinks, etc LOL. Some people can drive good after some drinks and some can't drive to begin with. I have friends who's cars I'd rather be a passenger in after they've drank 10 beers than other friends dead sober.

It's just like any other traffic law....it's a big blanket trying to stop a few idiots who can't handle themselves. Me going 10, 20, or 30 over the speed limit on a nice piece of deserted highway ain't hurting anyone, but I'll still get the ticket just the same as someone speeding through a school zone at lunch hour.
 
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