Palin sinking like a rock?

[ruffryder]

You were presenting your case pretty well, but you lost me on this one.

Reagan was responsible for instilling fear that the government is bad bad bad and we should be afraid of it at all costs. He was responsible for projecting this image to the public all the time..... He was also responsible for getting/creating the conservative right, and for pitting them against liberals (there is a better way to say that, but it escapes me..) He was decisive, creating the conservative right and liberal left, when most people don't fit into either category...

That, to me, is a larger problem then anything, because it keeps the government and congress from working as it should.... fear and scare tactics, nothing better to control people...

and off on a tangent we go....

 

[bigfoot]

Reagan was responsible for instilling fear that the government is bad bad bad and we should be afraid of it at all costs. He was responsible for projecting this image to the public all the time..... He was also responsible for getting/creating the conservative right, and for pitting them against liberals (there is a better way to say that, but it escapes me..) He was decisive, creating the conservative right and liberal left, when most people don't fit into either category...

That, to me, is a larger problem then anything, because it keeps the government and congress from working as it should.... fear and scare tactics, nothing better to control people...

and off on a tangent we go....

NO reagan Didn't instill the fear that government is bad bad bad, do you know anything about the founding of this country? Good god man...

Reagan didn't create the conservative right, do you know anything about the GOP? you know Grand Old Party, Abraham Lincoln etc etc. That's conservative right. Reagan didn't create the liberal left. Ever heard his statement I didn't leave the democrat party it left me? Have you ever even heard him speak? You should before you talk about him again, you have some studying to do.

The distrust of government makes it work as it should, a government that doesn't fear it subjects is something our founding fathers had a lot to say about, you should read on it.

 

[winter brew]

How many Governors (you know, the people without enough experience to be VP) have been President??

Thomas Jefferson, Governor of Virginia, 1779-81
James Monroe, Governor of Virginia, 1799-1802
Andrew Jackson, Governor of the Florida Territory, 1821
Martin Van Buren, Governor of New York, 1829
William Henry Harrison, Territorial Governor of Indiana, 1801-13
John Tyler, Governor of Virginia, 1825-26
James Knox Polk, Governor of Tennessee, 1839-41
Andrew Johnson, Governor of Tennessee, 1853-57, Military Governor of Tennessee, 1862-65
Rutherford Birchard Hayes, Governor of Ohio, 1868-72, Governor of Ohio, 1876-77
Grover Cleveland, Governor of New York, 1883-85
William McKinley, Governor of Ohio, 1892-96
Theodore Roosevelt, Governor of New York, 1898-1900
William Howard Taft, Governor of the Philippines, 1901-04
Woodrow Wilson, Governor of New Jersey, 1911-13
Calvin Coolidge, Governor of Massachusetts, 1919-20
Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Governor of New York, 1929-33
James Earl Carter, Jr., Governor of Georgia, 1971-75
Ronald Wilson Reagan, Governor of California, 1967-75
William Jefferson Clinton, Governor of Arkansas, 1978-80, 1982-92
George Walker Bush, Governor of Texas, 1995-2000

 

[Ollie]

NO reagan Didn't instill the fear that government is bad bad bad, do you know anything about the founding of this country? Good god man...

Reagan didn't create the conservative right, do you know anything about the GOP? you know Grand Old Party, Abraham Lincoln etc etc. That's conservative right. Reagan didn't create the liberal left. Ever heard his statement I didn't leave the democrat party it left me? Have you ever even heard him speak? You should before you talk about him again, you have some studying to do.

The distrust of government makes it work as it should, a government that doesn't fear it subjects is something our founding fathers had a lot to say about, you should read on it.

You forgot a few other things that liberals hate to admit.

Reagon created and proved it worked, trickle down economics.
Reagon is directly responcible for the fall of the berlin wall.
Reagon is the creater of the greatest period of prosperity in 50 years (until clinton looted it and destroyed it).

Reagon was a stonch democrat till the democratic party decided to create class warfare to promote their tax and spend agenda still being pushed by obama and the rest of the dems in charge.

Obama was instramental in creating a way for an extremely liberal group (whos name completely escapes me) to push for and get home loans for people that had zero chance to get a loan because they didn't qualify. Yet Obama blames McCain for the mess.

The guy the dems put in charge of the oversight commitee on banking was in bed HUGE with Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac and was directly responcible for getting them to give loans to people that didn't qualify. The CEO of Freddie Mac even admitted the Dems were the only reason Freddie Mac was still alive and kicking.

Yet the media doesn't mention any of this.
Wouldn't want to admit the truth now would we.

 

[bigfoot]

I thought about going into that Ollie, judging by my new rep points and comments I already made the point though.....

 

[Original Tetonice]

Keep in mind Ronald Regan believed in debt. Buy money at a cheap low interest rate and than selling the goods and service at a much higher percentage.

Example: the spec house building market has operated on that principle for years as has many other buisnesses.

Does anyone remember when interest was at 10% and how the high rate slowed down the economy ?

OT

 

[Ollie]

Does anyone remember when interest was at 10% and how the high rate slowed down the economy ?

OT

OH YEA!
I remember when 13% was considered good.

 

[likinit2]

politics suck, period. but... i can't help but pay attention to this election.

one thing that i can't help but wonder is why we keep comparing the v.p. candidate to the presidential candidate?

i'm leaning toward the mccain side but i'd sure like to hear more about him than his chesty running mate.

I agree, why is it that the Democrats have to reach to the VP for a comparison. McCain is running for president, not Palin. The biggest bonus Palin has going for her is the fact that she doesn't have "Washington D.C." experience. All that means is she has not had the time to get brainwashed by special interest groups and poisoned by pac money, she is still one of "us". My god, if something happened to McCain we could have common sense in the White House. I still think Obama will end up winning the presidency and I really hope his aproach ends up working with the middle class job picture. I voted for Romney but people are scared of what they don't understand. (LDS) I guess Obama was right. When it comes right down to it, us simpletons stick to our guns and religion.

 

[Wade]

None of us have ever cared who was vice president, until recently, ah la Al Gore and Cheney. So, all of a sudden it's the most important thing in the world. Liberals sure have turned out to be a bunch of sexist, sickening. Don't give me that crop about McCain being old, his mother is still going, he'll die after his term.

As for the stupid statement that a common person can't or shouldn't hold office, because they aren't a type A personality; think back a minute, what kind of crap have the type A's gotten us into? Personally, I think our president should be a average hard working person. Not some scum sucking lawyer. It appeared to me that the Bush and Clinton families were going to form a royal blood line for this country. Glad to see that end.

I also think their economic plans are totally different. Robin Hood versus McCain. Robin Hood was a thief, glorified by the poor, still a thief. The only thing that made him palatable was the royals were hugely mistreating the commoners. Although not everyone has equal chances, a person can better himself in this country. And, the poor's suffering in this country is largely due to laziness. Not true in the middle ages.

And I have to agree, why the heck do we keep comparing Palin and Obama? That's the stupidest comparison to make. Face it, if Palin became president, she'd be a completely lame duck. Obama would not be. Huge difference.

Hey, since the children are now open season, let's talk about Bidens little lobbyist son, wonder if he's going to avoid jail. Or, will it be a civil penalty?

And, we all know that Biden would never become president, standing on his own two feet. But, I can see Palin doing just that in four years. Palin can gain experience, but you can't remove blowhard from someone. And, I give McCain and Obama equal chances of finishing their terms, McCain natural or medical, Obama impeached.

The worst thing McCain could have done, was pick another stupid Senator as vice president. You know, this really goes to show you how few good people there are in Governors seats.

And, don't harsh on Reagan so much. It was either him or that idiot Carter, or Mondale. After a term of Carter, Reagan looked like our Saviour. Maybe you had to be there.

Palin isn't sinking, she being overloaded and pushed under, by the pile-on by the media. The media is dead set on making sure we get a Robin Hood in office, and everything is fair game. Personally, I'm liking Palin more and more, and Obama is scaring me more and more.

Can anyone actually prove Obama is really who he says he is????? People want to elect someone, that appeared out of Indonesia with a untraceable past. Maybe he should do some DNA tests to prove he's the grandson of "his" grandmother. I still can't believe where even talking about giving the keys of the country to this guy!

 

[milehighassassin]

Trickle down economics is bull$hit. If you believe that works I have a pyrimid business you need to get involved in.

 

[AdrenalineAddict]

Very well said Wade. I would enjoy seeing what McCain and Palin could do for the country. We don't need any more slick talking lawyers or career politicians in the white house. All I need to know about Obama is he has no patriotism whatsoever. He removed the US Flag from his 757 for f%&k sakes. Who would give this guy the time of day? Wouldn't it be a fresh change to see a person who has led the life we all live every day have some pull in Washington. A common person with common sense ideals who believes drilling on a dot in ANWR will not destroy the State of Alaska. She appears to understand supply and demand. She appears to have the ability to prioritize and think on her own doing whats in the best interest of the country and or state. When some nutjob screws her over at the state level she fires his azz. She should be commended for her actions not persecuted. What have we become? Maybe a better question would be, what has our media become? Think for yourselves, don't be blindsided and brainwashed by what you here in the media. One more liberal supreme court justice and big time gun control will be upon us. The right to bear arms will be destroyed, and by the way, do you enjoy snowmobiling or do you want to vote more closures upon yourself? The choice is yours!!

 

[Original Tetonice]

We can't forget about the media hype and how both parties use the media to hype, ignite, lie and inflate there campaigns.

OT

 

[highmtn]

You forgot a few other things that liberals hate to admit.

Reagon created and proved it worked, trickle down economics.
Reagon is directly responcible for the fall of the berlin wall.
Reagon is the creater of the greatest period of prosperity in 50 years (until clinton looted it and destroyed it).

Reagon was a stonch democrat till the democratic party decided to create class warfare to promote their tax and spend agenda still being pushed by obama and the rest of the dems in charge.

Obama was instramental in creating a way for an extremely liberal group (whos name completely escapes me) to push for and get home loans for people that had zero chance to get a loan because they didn't qualify. Yet Obama blames McCain for the mess.

The guy the dems put in charge of the oversight commitee on banking was in bed HUGE with Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac and was directly responcible for getting them to give loans to people that didn't qualify. The CEO of Freddie Mac even admitted the Dems were the only reason Freddie Mac was still alive and kicking.

Yet the media doesn't mention any of this.
Wouldn't want to admit the truth now would we.

Well put Ollie
So many people I know had good paying jobs with benefits during the 80's(under Reagan) lost them during or shortly after the Clinton era. Weyco mills, International Paper, Longbell, Ross Simmons, Hoh River, Itt Rayonier, Reynolds Aluminum(my dad worked there)all gone,I could go on, these are ones I dealt with. Mills closing also effect jobs that supply raw materials, trucking, tooling and other supplies. Bush and the GOP get the blame for jobs going overseas. That's funny, Do people think Companies Call Factories R Us and have one delivered and started? Location, workforce, logistics, training, and have the new one online before closing the existing one takes years.

I heard a Seattle talk show ranting about lost jobs and then the host did a Hyundai commercial during the break.

Do I think Bush was a great President? No. But I know that Clinton was a terrible one and Gore would have been much worse. What I've read of Obama leads me to believe he's worse yet.

Obama is represented on this thread as highly qualified to be President and in contrast Palin as unqualified working class. Weren't the Wall Street bankers considered highly qualified? now the working class are being asked to bail them out.

 

[ruffryder]

As for the stupid statement that a common person can't or shouldn't hold office, because they aren't a type A personality; think back a minute, what kind of crap have the type A's gotten us into? Personally, I think our president should be a average hard working person. Not some scum sucking lawyer. It appeared to me that the Bush and Clinton families were going to form a royal blood line for this country. Glad to see that end.

So, the politicians aren't hard working? I think the average hard working person has very little knowledge of how a government is run. How economic policy effects the economy and how foreign policy effects the world.

How much schooling did it take for you to get your job? Could an average person do it? I doubt so.. an average person couldn't do my job either.. you could train them to simulate what I do... but they probably wouldn't know why and you would have GIGO problems galore....

You call the comment stupid, but I call it reality.... based on the bs about politicians that gets posted around the web and how gullible we seem to be, do you really want that in a position of power?

I mean, we would all be getting that 425,000 check right now... oops only 425

 

[ruffryder]

So many people I know had good paying jobs with benefits during the 80's(under Reagan) lost them during or shortly after the Clinton era. Weyco mills, International Paper, Longbell, Ross Simmons, Hoh River, Itt Rayonier, Reynolds Aluminum(my dad worked there)all gone,I could go on, these are ones I dealt with. Mills closing also effect jobs that supply raw materials, trucking, tooling and other supplies.

You are talking timing, not causality.. wasn't there this little thing called China that happened during that same time? High energy and labor costs are the reason, as well as dirt cheap costs elsewhere.... It was inevitable for the business to go elsewhere, or should the govt prop them up like they are trying to do with Wall Street?

Weren't the Wall Street bankers considered highly qualified? now the working class are being asked to bail them out.

Highly qualified at getting money... which they have done... and are trying to get more... That is the problem with a type A personality when the goal is money... and only money.

 

[ruffryder]

She appears to have the ability to prioritize and think on her own doing whats in the best interest of the country and or state. When some nutjob screws her over at the state level she fires his azz.

I agree she has been really good for Alaska... though I find it hilarious that one of the most conservative states in beliefs is also the most socialist states in actuality... Got to hand it to conservatives, having your cake and eat it too.... Isn't that the mantra of the daily standard?

 

[highmtn]

You are talking timing, not causality.. wasn't there this little thing called China that happened during that same time? High energy and labor costs are the reason, as well as dirt cheap costs elsewhere.... It was inevitable for the business to go elsewhere, or should the govt prop them up like they are trying to do with Wall Street?



Highly qualified at getting money... which they have done... and are trying to get more... That is the problem with a type A personality when the goal is money... and only money.

Casualty of Clinton Roadless debacle and Bruce Babbits mismanagement. Timber supply disappeared. We didn't import lumber from China(We do from Canada), We exported logs to them, 12"- 20" rough Douglas fir and Hemlock was called C sort. Also had J sorts (Japan) and a K sort Korea.


They were supposed to make money for the Company, That's what they were hired to do. And failed

 

[Burndown1]

I am not saying she is not a good person, but as far as knowledge... she is out of her league...

Media... I don't watch tv, so I got no media...

I just look at the words that come out of her mouth... and they shock me!

Ruff the rider should talk about knowledge, or rocks.

 

[Ollie]

Ruffy, the reason everyone (including me) keeps comparing Palin to Obama is simple.

Obama is the one that keeps talking about experience and that Palin lacks it, yet he has practically zero himself.

Obama is the one that touts the fact he is an "outsider" while denouncing Palin who is also an outsider.

Obama is the one that says McCain is too old to hold office yet he puts up Biden.

Obama and Palin keep getting compared because Obama keeps putting the comparison out there.

Milehigh, we could argue about trickle down economics all day and we would disagree. You either understand it or you don't. Simple.

 

[justadude]

Bam!!!

i agree she has been really good for alaska... Though i find it hilarious that one of the most conservative states in beliefs is also the most socialist states in actuality... Got to hand it to conservatives, having your cake and eat it too.... Isn't that the mantra of the daily standard?