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Our Dog Was Murdered....

Anyone who would own a German shepard, Rottweiller, Pittbull, Doberman etc. Should be shot along with the worthless sons a *****es they call dogs. Those type of dogs have absolutly no purpose in this world, end of story!
Lemme guess.... you're a cat person? :confused: That's seriously the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time.

Dino... very sorry to hear about your family pet.
 
I love it when people try to defend dangerous breeds.

Wednesday, January 30, 2008
Insurers Reluctant to Insure Dangerous Dog Breeds
Insurance Companies Assess Risk the Old Fashion Way
Springfield, IL - The trend of insurance companies refusing to offer homeowner policies to owners of "dangerous" breeds is occurring nationwide. There is a simple reason for this: Insurance companies have to pay if the dog injures a person.

Depending upon the severity of the attack, they may pay 30,000 to 75,000 to 300,000 dollars and beyond. This is partly due to the fact that dog attacks often inflict serious facial injury. The cost of reconstructive surgery is astronomical and often, multiple surgeries over many years are required to mend the damage.

Insurance companies make the logical distinction that pit bulls, rottweilers and several other breeds have a "higher risk of inflicting greater damage." It's no different than accessing the injury risk of a motorcyclist vs. a motorist. The former has much higher premiums because when motorcyclists are involved in accidents, they tend to suffer greater injury.
Pit bull and rottweiler advocates say this is unfair. They say, "All dogs should be created equal." They say, "Singling out a breed is akin to discrimination."
One has to wonder how much longer the larger public is willing to buy this nonsense. Owners of breeds like chiuauas and beagles need to ask themselves a question: "Should I pay higher premiums because someone down the street chooses to own a pit bull?" By disallowing insurance companies to properly asses risk and place higher premiums into the hands they are due, all dog owners will pay the price.

Common dangerous dog breeds
When addressing the topic of "dangerous dogs", it is important to remember that no breed is guaranteed to be 100% bite-free or attack-free.

In 2000, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported that 25 breeds of dogs were involved in 238 fatal dog bites from 1979-1998. More than 50% of the deaths for which the breed was known were caused by Pit Bull type dogs and Rottweilers.*

Due to the high cost of dog bite liability claims, some insurance companies have blacklisted certain breeds and are refusing to provide homeowners insurance to those who own these dog breeds. According to the Insurance Information Institute, liability claims have increased from $250 million in 1996 to $310 million in 2001.

"Blacklisted" breeds may include:
Pit Bulls Alaskan Malamutes
Rottweilers Akitas
Chow Chows American Staffordshire Terriers
Doberman Pinschers Boxers
German Shepherds Great Danes
Siberian Huskies Wolf-hybrids
Perro de Presa Canarios.
The Presa Canario breed came to the forefront when Diane Whipple was attacked and killed outside the door of her California apartment.
Any dog that has any of the above breeds in their lineage.


If a dog has a history of violent behavior, it is determined to be a dangerous dog no matter what its pedigree. Once a determination has been made that the dog is dangerous, the laws of the community governing dangerous dogs must be applied.

YOU ARE A TOOL!!!!!!

what you are saying is that any dog over the size of 50 or so is a dangerous dog. lots of those dogs are used as fighting dogs and yes, they will harm you. but as others have said, labs and other family dogs can be very mean too. they bite and have harmed people too. little dogs you can kick, and they go away. training is the key as i said earlier!!!

example
handguns, lets say a 9mm kills the most people. do we quit making them too. they will use another gun, same as dogs!!!

as for insurance comp. they should have the choise to insure animals. charge what they want. if you own the dog, you can pay the money. same as a cheap car or a high dollar car. if you own a (family friendly dog) why insure it then anyways. it shouldnt attack, right...
 
dont use poison, if you do, you will have a bunch of dead animals in your yard. they will all eat a meatball, plus its a bad way to go. (anti freeze) will have seizures and the kids dont need to see that. it eats their insides and its very slow and painful.
 
YOU ARE A TOOL!!!!!!

what you are saying is that any dog over the size of 50 or so is a dangerous dog. lots of those dogs are used as fighting dogs and yes, they will harm you. but as others have said, labs and other family dogs can be very mean too. they bite and have harmed people too. little dogs you can kick, and they go away. training is the key as i said earlier!!!

example
handguns, lets say a 9mm kills the most people. do we quit making them too. they will use another gun, same as dogs!!!

as for insurance comp. they should have the choise to insure animals. charge what they want. if you own the dog, you can pay the money. same as a cheap car or a high dollar car. if you own a (family friendly dog) why insure it then anyways. it shouldnt attack, right...

Wow, the resort to name calling when you have no argument sure didn't take long. Reread the post. The survey pertains to DEATHS not just attacks. When was the last time you heard of a death by Chihuha or Pug. And you can train a dog all you want but people forget they are pack animals and pack oriented instincts. German shepards for instance will try to establish alpha status within a neighborhood of dogs. Used to have a friend that had a white one that was extremely territorial and would flash his teeth. He warmed up after awhile but he was a bully to the other dogs. And if you were not from the neighborhood he was the first to check you out and you do not approch him, he approches you. Yeah Sledge was loving to the family but a genuine nuisance in the neighborhood. Friend is also a K-9 officer and his dog is awesome around the kids etc. But you still have to watch him around guests, and people passing by.
 
German shepards for instance will try to establish alpha status within a neighborhood of dogs.


"German shepherds are herding dogs, bred for generations to guide and
protect sheep. In modern society, they are among the dogs of choice for
families with small children, because of their extremely strong protective
instinct. They have three distinctively different kinds of bite: the
guiding nip, which is gentle and does not break the skin; the
grab-and-drag, to pull a puppy or lamb or child away from danger, which is
as gentle as emergency circumstances allow; and the reactive bite, usually
in defense of territory, a child, or someone else the dog is inclined to
guard. The reactive bite usually comes only after many warning barks,
growls, and other exhibitions intended to avert a conflict. When it does
come, it is typically accompanied by a frontal leap for the wrist or
throat.
Because German shepherds often use the guiding nip and the
grab-and-drag with children, who sometimes misread the dogs' intentions and
pull away in panic, they are involved in biting incidents at almost twice
the rate that their numbers alone would predict: approximately 28% of all
bite cases, according to a recent five-year compilation of Minneapolis
animal control data. Yet none of the Minneapolis bites by German shepherds
involved a serious injury: hurting someone is almost never the dogs'
intent.

In the German shepherd mauling, killing, and maiming cases I have
recorded, there have almost always been circumstances of duress: the dog
was deranged from being kept alone on a chain for prolonged periods without
human contract, was starving, was otherwise severely abused, was
protecting puppies, or was part of a pack including other dangerous dogs.
None of the German shepherd attacks have involved predatory behavior on the part of an otherwise healthy dog."


Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada
September 1982 to November 13, 2006
– Merritt Clifton --

IMO All those little yip yap dogs are much more prone to biting! They just can't inflict nearly the amount of damaga any larger dog can. Either way I still think it's all in the handler and the way the dog was raised, treated and trained.
 
if anything the owner of the boston terrier is negligent for not protecting his dog. Letting a small dog roam is not resposible ownership. Would you put your boston down if it killed a cat or a rabbit, no different than a big dog killing your dog. Suck it up and build a fence then apologize to your wife for failing to provide a safe enviroment for her dog
 
if anything the owner of the boston terrier is negligent for not protecting his dog.

negligence
Conduct that falls below the standards of behavior established by law for the protection of others against unreasonable risk of harm. A person has acted negligently if he or she has departed from the conduct expected of a reasonably prudent person acting under similar circumstances.

In order to establish negligence as a Cause of Action under the law of torts, a plaintiff must prove that the defendant had a duty to the plaintiff, the defendant breached that duty by failing to conform to the required standard of conduct, the defendant's negligent conduct was the cause of the harm to the plaintiff, and the plaintiff was, in fact, harmed or damaged.


The owner of the shepard or his property was not harmed therefore he could not defend themselves by stating the owner of the Terrier was negligent. The duty in this case was the basic step of taking steps to protect the general public from harm and failure to take those steps as a reasonable person would.

Did I fail to mention I carry an insurance license in 9 catagories, and just completed 20 credit hours of continuing education. 10 of which was my refresher in Legal Concepts and Doctrines, Tort law, etc. Not to toot my own horn as any attourney is trained far more extensively, But I can follow one in a conversation and understand what they are talking about without having to dumb it down. eh, I'm tired of talking to the wall.
 
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I don't believe the "Nature vs. Nurture" 100% when it comes to dogs.


I am around a lot of German Sheppard’s, they are all raised the same, all come from the same lineage and all bred for the same purpose yet NONE are the same.

They may look like twins, but their personalities are all very different. A small animal can walk by and one dog will freak out and try to give chase (strong predatory instinct) while the next dog won't look twice.


Nurture plays a huge part in a dog’s behavior, but humans on a whole know nothing about dogs let alone train it. Sure there are good pet owners, but I'd say the vast majority do not invest the time needed to properly train/raise a dog.
 
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. eh, I'm tired of talking to the wall.[/QUOTE]


I'm not a wall, I'm a window.
 
Wow, the resort to name calling when you have no argument sure didn't take long. Reread the post. The survey pertains to DEATHS not just attacks. When was the last time you heard of a death by Chihuha or Pug. And you can train a dog all you want but people forget they are pack animals and pack oriented instincts. German shepards for instance will try to establish alpha status within a neighborhood of dogs. Used to have a friend that had a white one that was extremely territorial and would flash his teeth. He warmed up after awhile but he was a bully to the other dogs. And if you were not from the neighborhood he was the first to check you out and you do not approch him, he approches you. Yeah Sledge was loving to the family but a genuine nuisance in the neighborhood. Friend is also a K-9 officer and his dog is awesome around the kids etc. But you still have to watch him around guests, and people passing by.

sorry dude, didnt know i was in court!!

heres a small dog that kills a baby. YES IT HAPPENS

Small dog kills 6-week-old girl in California
October 9, 2000
Web posted at: 6:17 AM EDT (1017 GMT)


LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A small Pomeranian dog killed a 6-week-old baby while the infant's caretaker briefly left the child unattended to warm a bottle of milk, authorities in Los Angeles said.

The relative, who was caring for the infant girl, found her head buried in the dog's mouth Saturday night, sheriff's Deputy Cruz Solis said. The girl died of head trauma at an area hospital, he said.

The baby's name was withheld because her parents were out of the country and had not been notified, Solis said.

The relative has not been charged. Animal control officers took the dog.

Pomeranians are a breed of miniature canines that have a foxlike face, pointy ears and long, fluffy hair. The deputy said Pomeranian attacks are rare.

"Obviously it doesn't take much to kill a 6-week old baby but it's not something that happens with that breed," Solis said


yes, i understand a larger dog can kill and harm more than a little dog. yes the #s are higher with a big dog. but little ones kill too. they are dogs and its up to the owner to take care of the dog. if you want i can find more, but it would be a waste of time. you have your opinion, i have mine.

heres one more, jack russell terrier


Police are investigating after a Lexington baby was killed by the family dog.

The attack happened at around 3:50, Friday afternoon, at a home on Seven Pines Drive.

Police say the family's Jack Russell Terrier mauled seven-week-old Justin Mozer while his mother was in the bathroom, reportedly bathing another child.

The coroner says the baby was found unresponsive at the home and later died at the hospital.

Right now, the death is being ruled an accident and no charges have been filed.

There's no word on Mozer's funeral arrangements.
Funeral arrangments for Justin have not yet been set.
 
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negligence
Not to toot my own horn as any attourney is trained far more extensively, But I can follow one in a conversation and understand what they are talking about without having to dumb it down. eh, I'm tired of talking to the wall.

Now we're getting somewhere.
 
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Bad deal.:(

To those of you wanting to poison the dog, or inflict a suffering death........
You my friends are cowards!

If indeed the dog needs to be put down, allow the owner the opportunity to do it.
If you have to take matters into your own hands, tell the neighbor what you are gonna do, and how you are gonna do it.

To poison it, just so you don't have to "get your hands dirty" is as chickenchit as it gets.

Grow up & grow a pair!
Well I couldn't agree with this more. I have spoke with the owner of the dog and told him of my feelings, and that his dog should be put down. He said no way. Now I wait for the animal control officer to step up to the plate. To answer some questions ... the attack took place on the county road in front of his house as my wife was walking our two mutts down the road...on leashes. Public property. If nothing becomes of this I am sure that some day I will be home and walking with Judy and Roscoe ... the one dog we have and my 45 acp. It will be quick and painless for his dog. We had just put down a German Shepard we had for 12 years, not a mean bone in her body. Its not the breed of dog its how they are raised. As for getting attached to a dog yes that's me. Dino
 
if anything the owner of the boston terrier is negligent for not protecting his dog. Letting a small dog roam is not resposible ownership. Would you put your boston down if it killed a cat or a rabbit, no different than a big dog killing your dog. Suck it up and build a fence then apologize to your wife for failing to provide a safe enviroment for her dog
Ah we live in rural Montana on five acres. The only fences people out here build are to keep in there livestock. The Boston doesn't hardly leave the inside of our house much less ROAM. Ah wait a minute I cant believe I am answering to this post:eek: Dino
 
dude... its an animal . not a human being. get another one. (every dog has its day) there is a reason for that saying.
You must not have dogs or if you do, you most likely take care (use the term loosely) of them like the guy with the German Shepard in this story.

I am very attached to the dogs and cats that I have and when they do pass, I will get others, but to write them off as "dude...it's an animal...get another one" is pretty ****ing cold hearted don't you think? My dogs are treated and trained very well and they would not attack another human or animal unless it came to protecting the family.

The German Shepard should be dealt with, but correctly, not with some poison placed out where the dog (and anything else for that matter) can find and eat it. If the owners are not forced to take the responsibility themselves by the affected party or animal control/court system, they will most likely replace the dog and cause the same problem again. Just my $.02.

Dino, I'm sorry for your loss:(
 
It doesn't surprise me that the German Shepard took out the little dog. I have never seen one of those little kick me dogs not bark and yap at everything. They are so annoying, if you want something that small get a cat. The cat could at least get away. Big Dog 1, Little Dog 0. :devil:
 
It doesn't surprise me that the German Shepard took out the little dog. I have never seen one of those little kick me dogs not bark and yap at everything. They are so annoying, if you want something that small get a cat. The cat could at least get away. Big Dog 1, Little Dog 0. :devil:

Pretty cruel remark to someone who just lost a loved one.
You sir are an azzhole.:mad:
 
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