OBAMA suporters

[AkHockey10]

I for one am against abortions. I do agree with 24jetfoot. As much as i hate abortions, whatever a women wants to do, that is their own choice and I respect that but, they are the ones who will be living with that decision for the rest of there life. IF not having an abortion puts the mothers life at risk, that is different.

 

[AkHockey10]

So what happens when your daughter is walking home and gets raped? Should she just have that baby and deal with it?

There was a lady (girl) at my church who was rapped, and her parents wanted her to have an abortion but she made the choice to have the baby and put it up for adoption. That baby has since then been adopted and is doing very well.

If that was my daughter I would not want her to have an abortion. I would probably beat up every boy who looks at her though, lol.

I would try and talk her out of having an abortion but, its all 100 percent her decision. Like I said, If not having an abortion puts the mothers life at risk, that there is a different story.

Yes, having a young girl (or any female) go through a time like that would suck big time. Yes, it will probably change her lifestyle and she might have trust issues (can you blame her? absolutely not) But, there is nothing wrong with having the baby and putting it up for adoption.

This is probably irrelevant...
I know of a girl from high school who had an abortion and regrets it. My cousin is 19 and has a 3 year old. She wishes that, that one time with her boyfriend never happened but, she never once did think of having an abortion. She is a great mom and loves her little girl (I cant wait to meet her for the first time in Dec!!!)

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

I'll try and answer all the replies... I don't know how him posting his view is any different than me posting mine... and I already said where I was from, Eastern Washington. The city is Brewster, population 3,000.

I'm not spitting on the constitution, you are. It's called truth. You think the founding fathers would agree with killing a baby? It's pretty certain where I will go with my arguments because I believe in the Bible, the article of which our country was founded. Our country now sucks.... ever wonder why? We now kill babies... it's not a woman's RIGHT to kill a baby, it's a woman's choice to kill a baby. She should have thought about the consequences of a child before she took the steps to make one. No responsiblity. So let's take tax payer monies and kill it. And when are most babies aborted? Long after 11 weeks, so your argument is faulty in that it's just a ball of cells Sturgis. Most abortions take place at 16 to 20 weeks, so you say it's alive then. Murder.

Same sex marriage WILL destroy our country. You tear apart what makes us great, the family, you tear apart our country. It isn't just a religious issue. You cannot separate faith and politics. You can't put one in the corner and leave it for an opportune time, they go hand in hand.

I'm pretty involved in politics... I'll leave it at that.

UNWANTED babies... is that even possible to say? "Hey, who wants that little prick, let's kill it"... hope somebody doesn't say that about you when they have tired of you when you reach 80 yrs old and are considered useless... it's gonna happen if things keep heading the way they are... they already are in other places.

Can a baby just born survive on it's own? Nope, needs parents just like in the womb. Can a just born baby think? Hard to say, needs parents to nurture it. Dude your arguments are terrible....

Never adopted a baby Exactly , helped with a few, and donated alot to help needs of all kinds of things I believe in.

Who told me what the right thing to do is? The Bible. Tells me to care for the least of these... I think a child falls under that category.

Proceed.

So because you've chosen to follow a book a stories passed down thru the ages that YOU deem to interpret as the "rules of your life" doesn't mean everyone else subscribes to your same "guidelines. Just because you've determined that you will follow the bible to the letter doesn't mean everyone else has to. What makes Christianity any more relevant than any other religion? News flash, our founding fathers formed the US to ESCAPE religious persecution. Abortion is NOT murder no matter how many times you've been told that it is. What about when a girl is raped by a preacher? Ohh that's right they prefer little boys. You have your beliefs and as important as they are to you, they do not govern anyone but you and the group of people that show up to church every Sunday so all of your friends and neighbors can see how devout you are.

Now back to the topic of this thread, Nobama scares the crap out of me.

 

[HuskerCat]

So because you've chosen to follow a book a stories passed down thru the ages that YOU deem to interpret as the "rules of your life" doesn't mean everyone else subscribes to your same "guidelines. Just because you've determined that you will follow the bible to the letter doesn't mean everyone else has to. What makes Christianity any more relevant than any other religion? News flash, our founding fathers formed the US to ESCAPE religious persecution.

Perhaps you should go back to history class. The pilgrims were the ones who came here to escape religious persecution. Our country was founded by men who were upset by taxation without representation from England.
The Founding Fathers formed the constitution with the intent to give us freedom "of" religion, not freedom "from" it.

 

[modsledr]

Perhaps you should go back to history class. The pilgrims were the ones who came here to escape religious persecution. Our country was founded by men who were upset by taxation without representation from England.
The Founding Fathers formed the constitution with the intent to give us freedom "of" religion, not freedom "from" it.

I agree, but remember, freedom of religion also has to include the personal choice for no religion at all.

 

[Sturgis Sledder]

Perhaps you should go back to history class. The pilgrims were the ones who came here to escape religious persecution. Our country was founded by men who were upset by taxation without representation from England.
The Founding Fathers formed the constitution with the intent to give us freedom "of" religion, not freedom "from" it.

The founding fathers were here DUE to the pilgrims, and yes you are very correct freedom of religion as has been said can mean freedom from religion.

 

[brushwolf]

The founding fathers were here DUE to the pilgrims, and yes you are very correct freedom of religion as has been said can mean freedom from religion.

This is where you are totally wrong.....There is a guarantee of freedom of religion but there is No guarantee of freedom from religion. The athiests want their religion to supercede all others but, there is nothing in the constitution or the bill of rights that supports this silly notion. In fact, without religios principles just what kind of a society do you think we would be living in today?

 

[ruffryder]

In fact, without religios principles just what kind of a society do you think we would be living in today?

A better one...... and what is up with saying "In fact" while asking a question?

For many people a lack of religion is not a lack of spirituality, just a little fyi, though you will say that it is impossible anyways..

 

[Wade]

This is where you are totally wrong.....There is a guarantee of freedom of religion but there is No guarantee of freedom from religion. The athiests want their religion to supercede all others but, there is nothing in the constitution or the bill of rights that supports this silly notion. In fact, without religios principles just what kind of a society do you think we would be living in today?

I don't think so. Do you consider Buddhism a religion, they claim 230 to 1,700 million people. Depending upon the version, there is no real GOD in their beliefs, more a philosophy. Just an overriding belief and moral rules, and ethics, and truth. An atheist can similarly have a belief in moral civic virtues, and as you call it, "religious principles" [sp corrected]. But, not believe in the mystical sentient being, such as Allah, God, Spirits, Muhammad, Jesus, etc........

Many people that are "religious" also believe that religion has no place in government. Because, once religion has a place in government, all you need do to take over that government is convert more people to your religion. And then you win. Another words, a christian that demands our government favor christian beliefs, make wake up one morning to find that he is illegal in the eyes of the new government. It pays to keep the system open to all.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

Funny how MountainRiderM7 hasn't made a comment in a while I think we scared the 17 year old away. This thread is good for all of us, keeps our eyes open and more importantly our MINDS open. Only 3-4 more months and our time will be "on the snow" Oh yeah, go McCain-Palin

Im not on the internet 24/7, as apparently you are and have way too much time on your hands.

 

[H2SNOW]

heres one for ya ......lets say my wife is pregnant with child .....I beat her with a stick in the midsection ...baby dies .....is that murder or what ??....keep it up and mom dies

now is that double homicide ?????

can't tell me that the life in her is not important

 

[modsledr]

heres one for ya ......lets say my wife is pregnant with child .....I beat her with a stick in the midsection ...baby dies .....is that murder or what ??....keep it up and mom dies

now is that double homicide ?????

can't tell me that the life in her is not important

Well, now we know you're not only a closet liberal, you're also a wife beater.

 

[Wade]

What do people think, are there just too many people in this world?

Does every child born all over the world get a chance at "decent" life after birth. School, chance to make something of themselves? Frac no!

How many children die of malnutrition, lack of water, or gassed by a dictator, ect? If you have the ability to stop post birth death, (and you do) and you didn't do anything, is that murder? I assume these children are living people also? So, how can someone preach about the unborn, when they haven't saved the born?

I personally don't want to be responsible for feeding the world. And, I don't want to be everyone's policeman. I don't condone abortion, I just hate people telling others what to think and do. I also believe that if you give a family a fish, they'll continue to have children, and then blame you if the next fish don't arrive on time and if there isn't enough for the new larger family. If you teach a family to fish, a responsible society might develop, and smaller families may be the outcome. IMO

MountainRiderM7, nope, just get on here between digging holes and busting concrete. I'm too old to do that all day without a break.

 

[HuskerCat]

I agree, but remember, freedom of religion also has to include the personal choice for no religion at all.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I was alluding to the fact that the men who wrote our constitution were deeply religious. The idea behind freedom of religion was that you could practice whatever religion you wished or none at all for that matter. The whole idea behind seperation of church and state was to keep one particular religion from seizing control of the Government, ie. the Catholic church in all of Europe. The Founding Fathers however, used the Bible and in particular, the Ten Commandments as a foundation for the moral standards by which we live today.
I might be getting off topic.

 

[swampwater]

For those of you who think the founding fathers were not men of God ant think they gave us freedom from religion read these state preambles and my John Quincy Adams Quote below. Swampy

Subject: States Preambles



Do you know the Preamble for your state? . . . interesting

B! e sure and read the message at the bottom!

Alabama 1901, Preamble We the people of the State of Alabama , invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution.

Alaska 1956, Preamble We, the people of Alaska , grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.

Arizona 1911, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arkansas , grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom...

Colorado 1876, Preamble We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the S! upreme Ruler of Universe...

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut , acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.

Delaware 1897, Preamble Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences. !

Florida 1885, Preamble We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble We , the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance .. Establish this Constitution.

Idaho 1889, Preamble We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure ! its ble ssings.

Illinois 1870, Preamble We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil , political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

Indiana 1851, Preamble We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to ch! oose ou r form of government.

Iowa 1857, Preamble We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supre me Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.

Kansas 1859, Preamble We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish t! his Con stitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana 1921, Preamble We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.

Maine 1820, Preamble We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity . And imploring His aid and direction.

Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction

Michigan 1908, Preamble le. We, the people of the State of Michigan , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution.

Minnesota, We, the people of the State of Minnesota grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its bles! sings:

Mississippi 1890, Preamble We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness . Establish this Constitution.

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty established this Constitution.

Nebraska 1875, Preamble We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . Establish this Constitution.

Nevada 1864, Preamble We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution...

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V Every individual has a natural and unalienable! right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.

New Jersey 1844, Preamble We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty G! od for the blessings of liberty.

New York 1846, Preamble We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God f or our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.





North Carolina 1868, Preamble We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, a nd acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those...

North Dakota 1889, Preamble We , the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common...

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance...

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He h! ath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing...

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

South Dakota 1889, Preamble We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties .

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of Go! d.

Utah 1896, Preamble Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.

Vermont 1777, Preamble Whereas all gover nment ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man .

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other

Washington 1889, Preamble We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution

West Virginia 1872, Preamble Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of c ivil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ...

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility...

Wyoming 1890, Preamble We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution..

 

[HawkShot99]

heres one for ya ......lets say my wife is pregnant with child .....I beat her with a stick in the midsection ...baby dies .....is that murder or what ??....keep it up and mom dies

now is that double homicide ?????

can't tell me that the life in her is not important

I have seen on the news many times were a pregnant woman is killed and the murderer is charged with 2 homicides.









As far as abortion goes......I feel it is wrong, and should deffinatly not be looked at as another form of birth control. However their are way to many babies born that are not wanted by their parents, and they end up not being treated properly.
The adoption process in this country is pathetic as well. My neighbor is not able to have a child, but still wanted a family. So her and her husband decided to adopt a baby. They had to jump through so many hoops for the adoption places so they could prove they would take care of the kid.(The wife is a nurse, the husband a cop. So they are not pieces of crap that is going to neglect the baby)


So in conclusion I do not know where I stand on abortion.

 

[H2SNOW]

Well, now we know you're not only a closet liberal, you're also a wife beater.

Originally Posted by H2SNOW View Post
heres one for ya ......lets say modsledrs wife is pregnant with child .....he beats her with a stick in the midsection ...baby dies .....is that murder or what ??....modsledr keeps it up and mom dies

now is that double homicide ?????

can't tell me that he won't be on death row

 

[Freak]

I like snowmobiling and hunting just as much as the next guy, that has nothing to do with what we are talking about here

Wait til he makes Al Gore head of the EPA. PM snowest admin now to reserve your new name - MountainwalkerMnothin

Anyone voting for Obama falls into one of two categories - 1- Ignorant-you have no idea who this devil is. 2-You just hate America and the constitution.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxiG56M-eU&feature=related

 

[H2SNOW]

Wait til he makes Al Gore head of the EPA. PM snowest admin now to reserve your new name - MountainwalkerMnothin

Anyone voting for Obama falls into one of two categories - 1- Ignorant-you have no idea who this devil is. 2-You just hate America and the constitution.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxiG56M-eU&feature=related

yup I they bust my balls for sayin like it is ..

 

[superdoo]

can obama do this?

canuck here, but found a pretty cool vid on your boy mccain


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQsckD9trn4&feature=user