My Little brother got an MIP & a DUI last night out of state.

[Mafesto]

ever notice how Maf likes to stir things up? Not everything he says is serious as sin.

SSShhhhhh!

Don't let everyone know!

He's right though, I will often say some stuff that's "out there" just to get a reaction.
But I pretty much stand by my comments in this thread.

I must say I am very proud of everyone who disagreed with me, I have not received any neg rep from this!
That's cool!

 

[Nate]

Give me a call this afternoon Nate, i'll try and help with some info.

Thanks Andy but I dont have to worry.

After making some phone calls and negotiation they have dropped the MIP charge, and forwarded the DUI charge back here in Wyo. Long story short, got it reduced to a wreckless driving/exhibition ticket and he will just have to pay some fines and has agreed to some driving school and some community service. Nothing is finalized yet but its looking pretty well so far. Gotta love Wyo . Thats about as much information as i'm willing to spew at the moment.

As for knowing right from wrong. He knows. He will be comming to live with me for a little while since his big bro's helped him get out from under this. I need someone around here to take care of my house while im gone. Other than some fines and community service, he just became big bro's DD for the next couple of months

Thanks to all that helped with information and what not but this case is closed.

 

[Rubberdown!]

Good news~!

 

[MarcS]

Yep no consequences to speak of. Gotta love this country and the justice system. Next time he does this ( and he will) I hope he doesn't kill someone. JMHO

I dont like to stir things up on here, but that comment is just flat out judgemental and rude. I screwed up when I was the same age as nate's brother and I have learned my lesson and will no longer get behind the wheel with so much as 1 beer. I doubt you even know nate's brother (i dont either) but to assume that he will do this is again is wrong!!!

 

[Nate]

Yep no consequences to speak of. Gotta love this country and the justice system. Next time he does this ( and he will) I hope he doesn't kill someone. JMHO

Look pud you obviously have an irk with people who drink and drive. I get it. It's wrong. It being wrong isnt an opinion, it's fact. But to say he will do it again, well.....speculation from an arm chair is pretty easy to do. You dont know me or my brothers

Obviously the legal system down here realized that he is a damn good kid. Which no doubt he is. He just screwed up. People make mistakes, I know it's hard to see with that bright illuminating light from that halo on your head but people do. Alot of people came forward on his behalf.

But if he does plan to do it again......ill be sure to send him to Billings this go around Obviously your legal system is flawless........ I guess he will learn next time it happens.

What got him caught, was spinning a cookie in the abandoned Wal-Mart parking lot in Spearfish, 2 blocks away from the house the party was located. He parked their to go to get some sleep to get off of the streets and out of the blizzard around 11pm.

Typical 17 year old BS if you ask me. He got lucky. But it will happen again eventually right?

 

[MtnDoo]

Hopefully it doesn't happen again. (seriously)
Doesn't sound like judgment is this kid's strength.
And no, not everyone drives drunk "just once."

Here's an example of what often happens on the second offense. This 7 year old boy was killed yesterday while you were opining about legal advise to get your brother off easy. I sure hope he learned even with the lenient sentence and doesn't have to carry the guilt around that this fellow does in the future:

Olathe 7 Year Old killed by Drunk Driver April 5th

I can tell you care for your brother - maybe not making him your DD and putting him in that situation again would send a message.

Best of luck.

MtnDoo

 

[Nate]

I have to agree, hel it's my right to go out get drunk and screw up someone else's life. Some of you should stop thinking about yourselves and think of the impact it has on others.

As for laughing all the way back to Gillette well, my older brother and myself have both done stupid sh*t. I had 2 assault and batteries before 18 and I had to do alot of BS to get those thrown out. Older brother is just really good at wrecking vehicles, 6 to be exact. Just one of his life lessons. Little bro could have stayed home and got plowed with us instead of going off into another state. That's his choice. I imagine he will laugh about it soon, because I laugh about it now

Sorry Nate, but the comment that your brother should have stayed home and gotten plowed with you is, how should I say this? ROLE MODEL. Just make sure you know your rights.

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hey if he's gonna get plowed....which he is....id rather have him do it with ME and not over state lines He doesnt leave when he drinks with me. But id rather have him drink with me than with a bunch of 17 year old tards.

To me....that is ROLE model good sir. I cant stop him from drinking, but I can prevent him from drinking out and about, so to offset the situation i'll let him drink with me at MY house with MY friends where he CANT leave. Nobody leaves, on a good weekend ill have 8 or 9 peoples sleeping at my house.

 

[MtnDoo]

Nate,

Endorsing a 17yr old getting "plowed" and then relying on you to keep him under wraps is not being a responsible roll model.

Unless your last name is Palin, chances are 17yr old bro isn't always going to want to drink with his big brother. LOL.

Clearly your containment strategy has already failed you, or you wouldn't be in the position you and he are in.
You can't be responsible for him - you need to teach him to be responsible for himself.

Should he leave (for whatever reason), get into a dire situation (which commonly happens) you would then be liable for providing alcohol to a minor and contributing to the delinquency of a minor and any other offense that a plantif's layer could dig up. The problem has now doubled to bring you into the fold. (kind of the old "give him a fish" vs. "teach him to fish adage")

Time to re-think your strategy and help him take responsibility and make decent decisions.
I've got a younger brother too - just sharing my experience here.

MD.

hey if he's gonna get plowed....which he is....id rather have him do it with ME and not over state lines He doesnt leave when he drinks with me. But id rather have him drink with me than with a bunch of 17 year old tards.

To me....that is ROLE model good sir. I cant stop him from drinking, but I can prevent him from drinking out and about, so to offset the situation i'll let him drink with me at MY house with MY friends where he CANT leave. Nobody leaves, on a good weekend ill have 8 or 9 peoples sleeping at my house.

 

[Nate]

Nate,

Endorsing a 17yr old getting "plowed" and then relying on you to keep him under wraps is not being a responsible roll model.

Unless your last name is Palin, chances are 17yr old bro isn't always going to want to drink with his big brother. LOL.

Clearly your containment strategy has already failed you, or you wouldn't be in the position you and he are in.
You can't be responsible for him - you need to teach him to be responsible for himself.

Should he leave (for whatever reason), get into a dire situation (which commonly happens) you would then be liable for providing alcohol to a minor and contributing to the delinquency of a minor and any other offense that a plantif's layer could dig up. The problem has now doubled to bring you into the fold. (kind of the old "give him a fish" vs. "teach him to fish adage")

Time to re-think your strategy and help him take responsibility and make decent decisions.
I've got a younger brother too - just sharing my experience here.

MD.

PM Sent good sir

 

[MtnDoo]

Back atchya big bro.

 

[skidoorulz]

Look pud you obviously have an irk with people who drink and drive. I get it. It's wrong. It being wrong isnt an opinion, it's fact. But to say he will do it again, well.....speculation from an arm chair is pretty easy to do. You dont know me or my brothers

Obviously the legal system down here realized that he is a damn good kid. Which no doubt he is. He just screwed up. People make mistakes, I know it's hard to see with that bright illuminating light from that halo on your head but people do. Alot of people came forward on his behalf.

But if he does plan to do it again......ill be sure to send him to Billings this go around Obviously your legal system is flawless........ I guess he will learn next time it happens.

What got him caught, was spinning a cookie in the abandoned Wal-Mart parking lot in Spearfish, 2 blocks away from the house the party was located. He parked their to go to get some sleep to get off of the streets and out of the blizzard around 11pm.

Typical 17 year old BS if you ask me. He got lucky. But it will happen again eventually right?

Yep your a good role model allright Call people names when you don't agree what they say. That's a good role model! I deleted my post after I though about it a little and felt it was a little harsh. But now after thinking a little more, nope I stand by whay I said. You make comments on here like if you live in Spear I'll by the beers when I get there. If he's gonna get plowed I'd rather he get plowed with me. Why so you both can die in the same wreck? I said he'll do it again. Speculation yes, I agree. But with you as a role model, I doubt it is speculation. You say the only reason he got caught was because he was spinning cookies in a parking lot. No, the reason he got caught was because he was driving drunk. Now in another post you say you have 8 or 9 I assume underage people crashed out drunk at your house on a typical weekend. Again youe ARE a good role model. Buying alcohol for underage people. What happens if one of those people gets up and gets in a car while you are all passed out and gets in a wreck and kills themselves or someone else? You young man are just as responsible as the person driving because you provided the booze. But I guess the law will let you off because you are a good role model. And if I was the parent of one of those underage kids that you were providing alcohol for, well let's just leave it there. But you can be damn sure I wouldn't let you off easily because afterall you were just being a good role model. Now I suppose by now you know I have ZERO toleranc for DUI. I have my reasons that you or anyone else do not need to know about, Have I done it myself? Yes more than 30 years ago. Do I still drink? Yea a beer now and then. Do I ever drive even after 1 beer? NO!! But hey I'm just trying to be a good role model.

 

[MarcS]

Have I done it myself? Yes more than 30 years ago. Do I still drink? Yea a beer now and then. Do I ever drive even after 1 beer? NO!! But hey I'm just trying to be a good role model.

The fact that you have even got behind the wheel at all makes me disregaurd every statement you've made. How are you any different from nate's brother? you could have killed someone 30 years ago just like nate's brother could of killed someone the other night. And I could've killed someone a few years ago. But we all got lucky (including you) so how about you show a little sympathy. Because you are no different from nate's brother, or me.

As for nate wanting him to drink with him. Thats not wrong as far as i'm concerned, because nate's right, he is going to get plowed whether he is with him or not (because he's a 17 year old boy) so better he be with him than out with some other kids that don't care. I wish that I went and drank with my big brother instead of drinking with a bunch of other kids, because my big brother would make sure that I didnt drive at all (which would prevent him/me/you from endangering anyone) which is the only important thing in this discussion.

 

[revelized]

the real question is why is he chasing tail is SD????? wyoming full of toothless hotties now ive been through the system and its been 3 years and im just finishing up with it. learned my lesson but i beleive the system is a complete joke. i had the aa classes and my teacher would tell us how screwed up the system is... what it comes down to, if you have a set of keys and your near a car you have INTENT to drive and they will slap you with a DUI if they can. never think you can sleep in your car your never safe if you drank... my teacher had a story where a guy went to a kwiki mart, wasnt drunk but his girlfriend was, left the car running and they slapped her with a dui for being in a running car. judicial systems are for revenue now days and it makes me sick.

 

[Bubba700]

A better point is at least he is chasing chicks instead of sheep like the rest of his family

 

[duffman]

Yep your a good role model allright Call people names when you don't agree what they say. That's a good role model! I deleted my post after I though about it a little and felt it was a little harsh. But now after thinking a little more, nope I stand by whay I said. You make comments on here like if you live in Spear I'll by the beers when I get there. If he's gonna get plowed I'd rather he get plowed with me. Why so you both can die in the same wreck? I said he'll do it again. Speculation yes, I agree. But with you as a role model, I doubt it is speculation. You say the only reason he got caught was because he was spinning cookies in a parking lot. No, the reason he got caught was because he was driving drunk. Now in another post you say you have 8 or 9 I assume underage people crashed out drunk at your house on a typical weekend. Again youe ARE a good role model. Buying alcohol for underage people. What happens if one of those people gets up and gets in a car while you are all passed out and gets in a wreck and kills themselves or someone else? You young man are just as responsible as the person driving because you provided the booze. But I guess the law will let you off because you are a good role model. And if I was the parent of one of those underage kids that you were providing alcohol for, well let's just leave it there. But you can be damn sure I wouldn't let you off easily because afterall you were just being a good role model. Now I suppose by now you know I have ZERO toleranc for DUI. I have my reasons that you or anyone else do not need to know about, Have I done it myself? Yes more than 30 years ago. Do I still drink? Yea a beer now and then. Do I ever drive even after 1 beer? NO!! But hey I'm just trying to be a good role model.

Your horse is getting so high a t-pex couldn't climb it. This one beer buisiness is rediculous. If you were a 90 pound woman that had never consumed any alcohol one beer might cause a significant level of impairment. If you a normal sized person that drinks alcohol occasionally one beer is not going to cause anywhere near the impairment of many other common factors. Have you ever driven while tired, driven while on the phone, driven while fiddling with the radio? Have you ever driven with a dog in the car, kids in car, or involoved in conversation? We all agree that driving while smashed is stupid, irresponsible, and dangerous. Driving after a couple of beers is probably not the best idea but it is no different than many other distractions.

 

[luvtoride]

Budget cuts have led to our town being without a cop now. We rely on the sheriffs for everything now, which is NOT a good thing.

But when we did have a cop, Officer Dan, or Ostifer Dan as he was called, was a compassionate guy. He knew the kids would drink, he knew where they were probably going to drink, and he knew usually when they would be there. And yet, he only ever busted a few parties.

He would park out on the road and wait. If a car came from the party, he would stop them and sobriety test them. If they failed, they were punished to the full extent of the law. If they passed, they were on their way. If they failed, Dan usually quickly radioed for assistance and busted the party. But if no one left, he would let it happen.

The kids (including me) knew Dan, and what Dan did as far as parties went, so no one ever left during the night, even if we weren't drinking. The only time people left was if there was a designated driver, and someone REALLY needed to be home. In that case, Dan would check the car for booze, and upon finding none, would breathilizer the driver and send the group home.

I know his methods weren't orthodox, or even legal I suppose, but we only had one drunk driving fatality in our school of 600 in the span of the 11 years I was there (k-12 school, small town) and the poor kid wasn't in Dan's jurisdiction at the time, he was at a house party 20 miles or so out of town.

Now, since the Sheriffs have been called upon, 5 parties in the last month have been busted. I stopped being stupid and partying a year or so ago, so I really don't care, but a lot of my friends have been caught up in the whiplash and ended with MIP's, and for not adapting to the times and conditions, I think they deserve them. (Not that we didn't really when Dan was around of course)

 

[NorthMNSledder]

Your horse is getting so high a t-pex couldn't climb it. This one beer buisiness is rediculous. If you were a 90 pound woman that had never consumed any alcohol one beer might cause a significant level of impairment. If you a normal sized person that drinks alcohol occasionally one beer is not going to cause anywhere near the impairment of many other common factors. Have you ever driven while tired, driven while on the phone, driven while fiddling with the radio? Have you ever driven with a dog in the car, kids in car, or involoved in conversation? We all agree that driving while smashed is stupid, irresponsible, and dangerous. Driving after a couple of beers is probably not the best idea but it is no different than many other distractions.

Are you kidding me? Do you really sit and touch your radio buttons the entire time your in the car? Are you really going to compare a conversation in a car with driving impaired? Because when you get into a car after drinking you are impaired for the entire drive, 100% of the time! Impaired is impaired whether you had 1 beer or many. You can argue that you are not as impaired. But you are still impaired.

It's priceless how some people will justify drinking and driving.

Now I will agree that every person will react different to a certain amount of alcohol. But can you honestly sit there and say it's OK, it was just a couple of beers?

This is why I have never and will never feel sorry or give anybody sympathy for getting a DUI. This is a choice you have. Nobody is forcing you into this and it's your own fault if you get one.

 

[xrated]

A better point is at least he is chasing chicks instead of sheep like the rest of his family

Very valid point and it should be the point of all points. The best point made yet, how did we miss that? Sounds liek this kid is turning out better then Nate so Nate did something right!


Now where did Nate say the 8 people passed out were underage?

 

[Zachcreek]

hey if he's gonna get plowed....which he is....id rather have him do it with ME and not over state lines He doesnt leave when he drinks with me. But id rather have him drink with me than with a bunch of 17 year old tards.

To me....that is ROLE model good sir. I cant stop him from drinking, but I can prevent him from drinking out and about, so to offset the situation i'll let him drink with me at MY house with MY friends where he CANT leave. Nobody leaves, on a good weekend ill have 8 or 9 peoples sleeping at my house.

Point taken. Good to see you take care of the little sh!t. He will continue to have a few, and if you keep him at home as you do your friends. Hats off to you. Your last statement cleared up a mindset for me.

 

[m7maniac]

Had a few friends get dui's. Got out of mine. Cop pulled me over on a prarie trail we usually cruised up and down on in high school. The road is so rough you cant do more than 25mph. Pulled up when we were taking a leak. Said we were "obstructing traffic." This is a road that maybe has 1 pickup a week on it. Fought it and it got thrown out.

All in all I know my limits, I won't drive on the highway if I've had ANYTHING to drink. I'll take the dirt roads with no traffic at night if I've had a few. If the keys arent in the vehicle you can't get a dui. Had a friend get out of two dui's driving down backroads. seen the cop behind him, tossed the keys into the ditch and coasted to a stop. the cop searched his vehicle for an hour and couldnt find anything so he called a buddy and got a ride home.

Nate, as I see it there is nothing wrong with your brother drinking with you. I'd rather see a kid drinking with elders who have been around the block a few times. I'm glad I got to have a beer with my dad after working in the field all day. The people in college that i seen getting in trouble were the ones that were protected in high school. They get to college and "experiment" with alcohol and who knows else what. They were always the ones who got the ambulance ride to the hospital to get their stomachs pumped.