Loud sleds, we are our own worst enemies

[Seeyacop]

I understand the argument about loud sleds causing the greenies to get up in arms but loud stuff is just an annoyance it does not hurt anything or anyone. Even if sleds were silent they would still want them all banned it does not matter. These people want everything motorized banned except for of course their cars that they need to drive to the mountains so they can go hike in terrain they want us all banned from.

I run jaws twins and can on my BB M7 and I love the sound but I wish it was quieter. I would love to see an aftermarket company come out with a quiet can that still sounds good. I would be running a stock can if I could with twins for the sake of my own ears after a day of riding, but have yet to find a way to modify one to make it work.

 

[Ollie]

I understand the argument about loud sleds causing the greenies to get up in arms but loud stuff is just an annoyance it does not hurt anything or anyone. Even if sleds were silent they would still want them all banned it does not matter. These people want everything motorized banned except for of course their cars that they need to drive to the mountains so they can go hike in terrain they want us all banned from.

I run jaws twins and can on my BB M7 and I love the sound but I wish it was quieter. I would love to see an aftermarket company come out with a quiet can that still sounds good. I would be running a stock can if I could with twins for the sake of my own ears after a day of riding, but have yet to find a way to modify one to make it work.

The primary problem with loud pipes isn't the arguement about it disturbing people. That is too easy to disprove simply by pointing out the number of people that DON"T cross country ski.

The problem is that the greenies us arguements that aren't as easy to disprove. We know it is BS but the average big city moron is clueless. That is that loud pipes scare the wildlife and cause them to use up emergency stores of energy trying to run away. This isn't something we can easily disprove. We can point to all kinds of studies but that means nothing when they show bambie being run over by a sled.

The greenies have switched their tactics because they have used up the "it disturbs the piece and quite we skiers want". The forest service is starting to no longer accespt that as a viable arguement.

Yes, there are pipes that make your sled run stronger and better. Jaws twins on the M7 is a perfect example. That sled rocks on those pipes.

When someone on here asks what is the best pipe/can for my sled that is fine, but when I see someone post asking to know what is the loudest pipe and can, just so they can be loud it pisses me off and yes, I jump in their chit.

 

[irydcat]

Wow some of you guys sure seem strongly about the loud pipes situation.Im my opinion
to each is own I really dont think that this is an issue in the back country as much as its in a resedential area.

 

[2000TCMC]

I agree with adding performance, a simple pipe and can addition netted 15+ HP I bought the "quiet" can for my sled which in my opinion is as loud as I could deal with. Its loud enough that I always load my sled the night before so the neighbors don't have to listen to it at 6:00am.
Most of the areas we ride you only see other people in the parking lot or your in the back country with other sleds so not a big deal, I find the best way to reduce the noise is to ride in waist deep POW all the time cuts way down on the noise my sled makes. Just wish I could be quiet all the time

 

[AkHockey10]

Face it. Dumb people will ALWAYS be around. Whenever a guy is STUPID enough to type something like, and I quote AkREV151: 'Have you even thought, for just one second, that half these guys run loud sleds just to piss off anal pricks like yourself? '

Somebody needs a new attitude, and need to grow the F¤)¤)CK up....

hmmm...apparently, you do to. surely there are other words in your vocabulary? if not, then grow up and learn some new words.

 

[obr]

Sorry. English is my Second Language. Appologise if you don't like my typing, but show me you speak YOUR second language better then I do with mine, or go speak to your pipes, I'm sure they will listen...

 

[Ricta]

Looks like the guys wanting the loudest pipes they can buy (not for more power) have done exactly what they wanted to do......Piss off some people. The funny thing is they didn't even have to buy them all they had to do is ask and now we have a 3+ page of worthless info on how pissed off people are about a loud sled.......
I'm with Irydcat if its your sled then do what you want with it.

 

[mod03rmk800]

This is a prime example of elitism and why I can not stand "out-a-staters" moving from the east or california here and proceed to tell us how we will now have to act. I don't have any facts on this however the way I see it is that some of these "trust fundies" families got there "old" money from oil,mining,slavery or corporate dealings that in one way or the other had impacts on the environment, or movies and just general big city affairs. Now they come and tell us what,how,when and where. I am sure that type of thing is why this county was founded to escape this in the first place.
Many people have lifestyles that differ and in the mountain regions you will have a vastly larger percent of the motor use people that have a "redneck" attitude.

Now in the nineties you had ultras with those extremely loud pipes and a few others with stingers out the sides. These seemed to be the norm for backcountry climbing sleds around this neck of the woods. Around the 99-03 era things started to change as far as the stock sled and backcountry riding abilities.

I would think that the larger portion of mountian riders(not mountain trail riders) are in fact "motor heads" and have after market exhaust on most everything they own. Older age brings a desire for quieter things, as I am now understanding.

Why not explain the facts that people laugh at the guy that pulls up to the hill and barks all over the place to only get half way up cause he has lost hp by killing his back pressure. And when they return to the parking lot everyone looks to the rumbling popping noise only to laugh again at them.

I agree that mountain trail sleds should have there exhaust left alone as it does not ride down in the snow and muffle the noise, and you can only go so fast on the trails. But the mountain sleds and riders were spawned from these stingers and coffee canned mod sleds and will be hard to sway them different until they get old and wore out not needing every last hp. I am sure that these same people that are looking for the loudest can possible are the same that cut the mufflers out of there trucks.

The big mod sleds will always be loud producing big hp. It will be hard to tell someone that a 1200+ triple is ok but your 600 can is ridicules. And if your saying that the 1200+ is ridicules then I guess you are either getting old or a mountain trail rider that is trying to change peoples ideals of what they deem right or wrong. Tough chore changing generations of beliefs with the imposed will from people who do not actually come from the same place as the "motorhead redneck".

 

[Spook]

mod rmk 800

I am pissing myself right now "SLAVERY" You gotta be shi!!ing me That's friggen funny!! I can't stop laughing. It went from loud pipes to whips!! awesome!!! Way to go COLOR PURPLE!!

 

[mod03rmk800]

must of been a "Freudian slip"?

 

[Spook]

Who cares I am still giggling like a little girl!!!

 

[NoSecondChances]

Now in the nineties you had ultras with those extremely loud pipes and a few others with stingers out the sides. These seemed to be the norm for backcountry climbing sleds around this neck of the woods.

Funny you mention that, there is a video of an 800 Ultra in the Video section on Snowest here and I'm sorry becuz I do agree with you guys, but if that sound of a well tuned 2-stroke with tuned pipes doesn't make you horny then even Viagra ain't gonna help ya brother!!!

Why not explain the facts that people laugh at the guy that pulls up to the hill and barks all over the place to only get half way up cause he has lost hp by killing his back pressure. And when they return to the parking lot everyone looks to the rumbling popping noise only to laugh again at them.

What about the guy the shows up and blows your doors off? You're right, some guys have loud sleds and have hurt performance, but some guys have loud sleds and when he flies past everyone's highmarks, everyone wants to be THAT guy.......your point can be taken both ways with regards to loud sleds. I have seen plenty of both.

I have a set of Jaws twins and I will tell you that they perform way better than the stock pipe, however they are not that much louder compared to the can I had on (obviously they are louder than the stock muffler). My buddies 800 with a stock single and MBRP can is far louder than my sled, from a seat of the pants evaluation, but his can just dropped weight, there is no performance advantage from it. Mod03rmk800 and others are right, these retards who are buying loud cans for performance are only fooling themselves.

Performance can be had with little to no decibel increase. Just becuz a Top Fuel dragster doesn't have a muffler, doesn't mean your sled should go without one. Get a clue people.

 

[VTMTcowboy]

I will comment on the pipes issue only. I am not a fan of loud pipes and I think that most non-snowmobile people associate snowmobiles with being way to loud and disturbing the peace, but who cares what they think and who cares what others think. If you like loud pipes, then put loud pipes on your sled; and if you dont like loud pipes, then dont put them on your sled. Its pretty simple. Its the same issue with trucks, some like to put loud exhaust systems on their trucks and others dont. No one is right or wrong, just personal preferences. Just my .02.

 

[MountainPowder]

Wow, lets not get carried away here. Is that what people think of me when I'm out riding? I wasn't aware I was compensating for a small package. Nor was I aware of my low IQ and poor riding ability! I can understand some of your comments, but grouping all people with pipes into the same category is pretty ignorant. To be honest I am getting a little tired of people's snooty attitudes on here anymore. If you don't ride an 2006 or newer, apparently you are not worthy to be involved in this sport.

I have SLP pipes on my sled. They are fairly loud I think. But, I did not put them on, they were on when I bought it. When I see people other than sledders, I slow way down and try to be quiet.

Do I think someone should be trying to make their sled as loud as possible? No, but ride what you got and quit bashing others that can't afford the newest quietest technology.

 

[landshark]

It's not the greenies I don't want to piss off with a loud sled (or anything else) but John Q. Public.

The greenies are going to hate us no matter what. Their agenda is to close the forest to everyone, humans included. I fully agree with those of you that use that argument to go with the loud cans.

The problem is that the normal non-OHV person is usually on the fence until they are swayed either way. And when ONE person on an obnoxious sled/bike/ATV roars by in a ditch or by the hill their kids are sledding on, it makes a permanent negative impact. No, they will probably never, ever hear YOUR sled, but to them, you are just as loud as the one guy they heard, and they are now going to throw their vote with the greenies. You can be driving through town with the sleds on the trailer headed to the middle of f'n nowhere, but they still hate you even though they don't know you.

Don't get me wrong, the sound of an old Polaris triple spinning at 9000+ rpm through a set of stingers is one of the sexiest sounds on the planet. Along with a properly tuned 4-cyl hillclimb bike running only short headers and nitro-methane. Standing next to the fence at Daytona when the pack roars by is quite a sound too. But this stuff is only appropriate on a race track anymore. Responsible race organizations are even clamping down on the sound levels now, so you won't hear those open pipes on the track either.

I love the sound, but I like to ride more. If you can't ride, you can't hear ANYTHING. My sled doesn't have the stock can on it anymore, but the SLP for me was a good choice. Cut the weight, better turbo response, and not much louder (still under 96db so I'm legal in MT). Just not too fond of it sounding like a Massey Ferguson!

 

[mountainhorse]

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Why does all of this have to turn into a contest to see who can insult each other?

It blows any constructive talk about this subject right out the window.

C'mon guys.

For me, in my area, the greenies have WAY better lawyers and lobby groups than any sledding organization that I've seen... (how many full time lawyers are employed by SAWS??)

The sound levels of off road powersports vehicles are usually at the top of the list and the one that most "citizens" can relate to.

The old attitude of "I wont give those damn greenies any satisfation" is gettting to be a moot point as they cheer on anyone giving them a good fuel for their public opinion fire.

I think that a fully piped triple sounds wicked with just stingers... But when John Q Citizen on a snomobile trail tour or snowshoe trip with his family gets the chit scared out of little Suzie-Q Citizen as one of us rounds the corner sounding like were going 90 (actually 35mph) it does not bode well for our sport. For the 3% of mountain riders that unload in the middle of nowhere and have no exposure to other people or forrestry service, then the sound of your exhaust doesn't matter. But, if you access thru sno-parks or on shared trails...think about it.

If I had to choose between quiet exhaust and NO sledding in MY areas... I'd make that suckker quieter than a new Toyota Prius.

We may be big men compared to a pencil necked paper pusher working for greenpeace, but he's the same kind of guy that is making the laws and controlling the police.... They didn't leave David Koresh alone did they??

In the political arena, The Greenies are the Big Dogs ( they ARE Republican and Demo to boot) and THEY are the ones that have been deciding to open or close milliions of acres of riding areas.... WE SLEDDERS are the little dogs.

In all of the reports that I've read on Caribou closures etc.... noise impact is at the top of the list for enviromental impact by snowmobiles.

I know it sucks, but this is the reality that we live in. Get out and vote, join your local club or at least donate to a usefull sled lobby orgaization

AND

IMO....
Don't poke the gorilla unless you want a piece of the action!

 

[jim]

Greenies will just find another argument to close things down if we were all quite. I try to be quite, but on the turbo it's not an option. M1000 is stealthy...stock can and you can hardly hear it.

 

[R J]

I don't know what's worse.


I live in the middle of nowhere so I don't care, doesn't cut it anymore.
man this pisses me off.

Exactly, who knows if they live in the middle of no where or not, they usually don't ride in the middle of no where. They ride where people can see, smell, or without a doubt can hear you sometime. Sure if you're 20 miles from the nearest road, highway or anything that a hiker, skier or nature lover would be by then who cares, I'm with you at that point, go as loud as you like. To get there you were seen, smelled or heard and that's all they need to plead their case against us so why give them the ammo?

If we police ourselves the best we can it will limit all the negative as much as possible. It at least won't say, hey everyone look at me.

 

[Steamboat-RN]

Landshark is exactly right. The Enviro-nazis would try to shut us down if we had silent electric sleds. It is John Q that we have to worry about. One bad experience with obnoxious sledders and they are enemies for life.
If there was a SUBSTANTIAL HP gain with loud pipes I could understand the logic. But for recreational riders the HP gains are minimal over the quieter cans. Anyone that thinks that loud pipes don't harm our cause have their head firmly implanted up their butt. How's the view in there?

 

[Ricta]

This thread is WAY too LOUD and I would like the admin to put it back to stock! I have been trying to surf this site all day but keep hearing this really loud annoying bark coming from this thread and I just have to come over and see who has the high mark. Damit it got me again... I really wish everyone could quiet down the greenies might hear us and shut this down too.......... Looks like I will have to take my LOUD pipes to the LOUD bar and be that LOUD guy having a great time being LOUD...