Loud sleds, we are our own worst enemies

[OuraySledder]

Do you even take the time to re-read the stuff you write? Or is it just some form of mental diarrhea. You stated that the changes in Lake City took work and we will get Ouray on board next.

You read into that statement that I did the work in Lake City? "WE", the folks in Ouray, with myself as part of a group "WILL" attempt to make changes there next, you manged to comprehend that much at least without putting words in my mouth, congratulations.

You stated that I thought the F.S. was keeping the bikes out of town. An inference on your part. I do not think that at all. I am well aware of the reasons OHVs were originally banned.

Yes, AFTER you tried to say I inferred the FS did that, which I did not. Again, interesting comprehension problem

You clearly state that you do not see teens and young people as an issue. NOT a bizzare inference on my part. Who do you think make up the BULK of groups like Green Peace and all those other enviro-zealot organizations? Aging hippies? It is the kids that are being brain washed every day by liberal panty-waists in the schools and universities. They are an active VOTING block and they don't care about your economics. Who do you think elected your hippie mayor?

I know who elected the ex-hippie mayor, all the damn ex-hippies infiltrating the area. You think it was the teens and young adults? Since I live here, i might know a little about the demographics. Since my job requires me to talk to a lot of people everyday, and the FS battle also requires a lot of communication, I can tell you, the young adults HERE do not fit your box. They have supported multiple use of the forests and coomon sense politics. The aging hippies, 55+ years of age elected the mayor, and were actively fighting the sledders at the FS meeting last night. Thanks though for telling me what it is like where I live, as if you would know.

You act like you've come up with some, outside the box, new tactic for change by demonstrating to local business the economic impact of our sport.
Old school, effective, but old school.
Seems that the CSA agrees with the majority of us that LOUD is bad and we need to compromise to survive.
Maybe you can convince them that they are wrong too.

Where did I say economic impact was a NEW idea? Who has the reading problem? You have put lots of words in my mouth. Try just going with the verbatim, ditch the attitude. Good thing we have such positive thinkers like you on the side of sledders. Put some effort into helping instead of this wedge tactic. Please stay in Steamboat, we don't need your poison here, or in the sled community period. Maybe consider just hanging it up. I understand that you know everything, thanks, but no thanks. I don't see you helping one bit.

Go ahead and help yourself to the last word too, obviously that is extremely important to you. Just like last night, you can't win arguments with idiots, so I concede here, like it matters anyway.

 

[CB Rob]

Just one more vote for noise enforcement. noisy toys have no business in the national forest. summer or winter, does not matter, loud still sucks. The only thing that will stop the noise is a ranger at the trailhead with a DB meter and a ticket book, and I hope I see it happen soon.

 

[Xrider]

Noise is just what THEY can focus on now. Don't think for one minute that if all the sleds are quiet THEY will stop harrassing us. So I'm riding (responsibly) with a little noise and everyone that doesn't like it can kis$ it.

 

[snowmobiler]

i think everybody should go out right now and take off your pipe or can and throw in the garbage.if its louder than stock,chuck it.loud sucks.

 

[CB Rob]

i think everybody should go out right now and take off your pipe or can and throw in the garbage.if its louder than stock,chuck it.loud sucks.

Yea! thats what I'm talking about! chuck that loud piece of crap!

 

[Steamboat-RN]

You read into that statement that I did the work in Lake City? "WE", the folks in Ouray, with myself as part of a group "WILL" attempt to make changes there next, you manged to comprehend that much at least without putting words in my mouth, congratulations.
Yes, AFTER you tried to say I inferred the FS did that, which I did not. Again, interesting comprehension problem

I know who elected the ex-hippie mayor, all the damn ex-hippies infiltrating the area. You think it was the teens and young adults? Since I live here, i might know a little about the demographics. Since my job requires me to talk to a lot of people everyday, and the FS battle also requires a lot of communication, I can tell you, the young adults HERE do not fit your box. They have supported multiple use of the forests and coomon sense politics. The aging hippies, 55+ years of age elected the mayor, and were actively fighting the sledders at the FS meeting last night. Thanks though for telling me what it is like where I live, as if you would know.


Where did I say economic impact was a NEW idea? Who has the reading problem? You have put lots of words in my mouth. Try just going with the verbatim, ditch the attitude. Good thing we have such positive thinkers like you on the side of sledders. Put some effort into helping instead of this wedge tactic. Please stay in Steamboat, we don't need your poison here, or in the sled community period. Maybe consider just hanging it up. I understand that you know everything, thanks, but no thanks. I don't see you helping one bit.

Go ahead and help yourself to the last word too, obviously that is extremely important to you. Just like last night, you can't win arguments with idiots, so I concede here, like it matters anyway.(Now THAT is defeatist)

Thanks for your permission to have the last word. I hope you are good to your word. (unlikely)

Wishing a thing does not make it so. Ignoring a thing does not make it go away.
Maybe the demographics in your little world are skewed from the norm but that does not change reality. The economics and politics of small towns like Ouray and Steamboat do not drive the politics of the state or the nation. It is places like Denver and Ft. Collins that shape policy on the larger scale.
And in those places the younger greenies are a force to be reckoned with.
We as a group have to learn to work with them and adapt. Their numbers are growing much faster than ours.
The fact that you don't realize this is an indication of just how little you know of the national situation.
The fact that I am less than impressed with you and your impact on our sport does not make me a negative person. Merely your uninformed opinion. I am generally considered to be a cheerful upbeat person. As a nurse it is my lifes work to help people that can't help themselves. I love my work and I'm sure not in it for the money.
I am at home with a wide variety of people and I have good friends on both sides of this issue. I feel that it is this trait that has helped me promote our interests without resorting to juvenile personal attacts.
You are unable to discuss this calmly and intelligently with someone who, for the most part, shares your views. How do you expect to promote your agenda to those who violently oppose you? How much harm do you think it would do if you spewed insults out of frustration at a public forum. Now thats poison. Not a debate on a snowmobile forum.
I enjoy the banter on some of these threads. I don't always agree with some of it. But I have come to understand some different points of view.

At the risk of stooping to your level, I will end with an OPINION.
You don't appear to have good people skills. Or interpersonal relationships skills either. Maybe you should look into another line of work.
Just my uninformed opinion.

 

[Gold5th]

Hey now.. you umm umm umm eco terrorist...



You should be telling people to take it off and sent it to be recycled as scrap metal

 

[Rucky]

How do you even know who's running cans and who's running pipes though..line 'em up, side by side, one piped, one running a can. More than half of you wont tell the difference. So who's obnoxious and who's making power, more importantly, WHO THE **** CARES?

 

[OuraySledder]

Just one more vote for noise enforcement. noisy toys have no business in the national forest. summer or winter, does not matter, loud still sucks. The only thing that will stop the noise is a ranger at the trailhead with a DB meter and a ticket book, and I hope I see it happen soon.

Rob, There is a bill in the CO state house (I think it is a state bill) right now that is going to facilitate just that. I think it is HR 1069, not positive but it is there right now. I do not have the exact verbage down but the result will be that any peace officer, whether is be a ranger, DOW officer, county sherriff, state patrol etc., will be able to issue citations to off-highway vehicles.

Two sides...I listened to an atv proponent decry it as heavy handed, which it may very well be. The other side is that it will give authorities the manpower to do as you suggest and "clean up" the sports, manpower they currently do not have. In the San Juan forest it is three officers for hundreds of square miles.

CSA supports this bill as well because they figure the really loud guys, the "problem", are a very small number and showing a willingness to clean it up is the strategy they want to use to take arguments away. While certainly not all law enforcement is going to run out and participate, now you will see more enforcement when problems are reported. A lack of manpower will cease to be an issue and the revenues (fines) are substantial enough to ensure law enforcement participation.

Again, not how I would have liked to seen it happen. I do not like to see more big brother in my life for any reason, but it appears since the sport cannot police itself, the police are going too.

As mentioned previously, the dba law has enough wiggle room in it to please most aftermarket manufacturers and will not prohibit anything but the really loud guys. They are clearly coming for those folks.

Once Colorado adopts this, expect to see it coming to a riding area near you

 

[EastcapeAngler]

While working at the cat dealership in west I saw on many occassions riders with loud,& I do mean LOUD, pipes pull up, & after a few "braps" to make sure everyone knew they were there, they would pull off their helmet, head sock, & then pull out earplugs!!!.
Loud pipes suck.

 

[dgsledneck]

Noise is just what THEY can focus on now. Don't think for one minute that if all the sleds are quiet THEY will stop harrassing us. So I'm riding (responsibly) with a little noise and everyone that doesn't like it can kis$ it.

amen. just like everything else in life someone is always trying to tell you how you should be an what you should do. i wish people like that would worry more about themselves

 

[masneri]

You guys are funny, this **** is cracking me up. Its a good thing you don't ride in alaska 80 percent of the sleds in the back country here have some sort of pipe or can on there sled. And guess what no one gives a ****.

 

[Steamboat-RN]

You guys are funny, this **** is cracking me up. Its a good thing you don't ride in alaska 80 percent of the sleds in the back country here have some sort of pipe or can on there sled. And guess what no one gives a ****.

I wish it was funny here but it is not. In AK the population density is far less than it is here in Co or in places like CA, MN...etc. I generally ride a long way from crowds and I doubt that the aftermarket can on my sled is much of an issue . But it is an issue at the trailheads and on the trails accessing my riding areas. Much of the access around here is multi-use and it is harmful to our sport when riders are inconsiderate. Most of the guys I ride with have pipes and cans too but we make an effort to keep the noise to a minimum until we are well away from other users. If we all did that the greenies would have to find something else to rant about. (and they would)

 

[OuraySledder]

Having a pipe and can isn't the issue anyway. Even the new laws coming down the pike allow for aftermarket equipment, just not race pipes and gutted stingers.

I have been complimented on how quiet my machine is even with an SLP pipe and can. It sounds better than stock, makes more power with less wieght but retains enough "muffler" to keep from being offensive.

 

[Steamboat-RN]

Exactally right. It is not the pipes or cans that are the the problems. It is the attitude that we should be able to do whatever we want on public lands. We need to be considerate of others in conjested areas.

 

[bgreen776]

And guess what no one gives a ****.

That is ignorant and very untrue.