Loud sleds, we are our own worst enemies

[dgsledneck]

Not everyone with a loud sled is an idiot. There are many people with loud sleds that are courteous to other users. It is the posers that race back and forth in the parking areas, blast up busy trails at Mach 2 and generally piss-off everyone within earshot. Guys that can't let their skills speak for them.
I still think a yamaha triple with pipes is a sweet sound, but not at full throttle at the trailhead.
If I had a buck for every time I inadvertantly upset someone I could buy my new Dragon and pipe it.

fair enough.

 

[Jeff C]

.............all i know is that people with such opinions that have been stated held people decide to get the loudest pipe/can they can find to feel like they get back at people like those of you taking stabs at people for riding a loud sled .

You really think that? Some people are really buying pipes to "stick their finger in the eyes" of people who take stabs at them for riding loud sleds? Really? you do believe that?


Come on! you are smarter than that!




your post is not going to save the world in fact i think it sets things back and drives a stake between people who should band together for the sport they love . its too bad

We are all big boys and girls here, I don't think this little discussion here is going to drive a stake into anything. The sledhood is secure

I think these sort of discussions are very important, yep tempers flare once and awhile, but in the end both sides get a bit more educated.

Maybe this discussion will make that person who wants the loud pipe/can think of the effect he/she is having on our sport.

 

[Ollie]

I don't think this is going to drive a wedge in anything. If the person is inclined to get involved, they will do it anyway.

Besides, a fight is just a discussion with volume.

 

[Steamboat-RN]

Jeff. You know what I find really disturbing?

Your avatar. Kinda like Ollie in his hot pink snowsuit.

MY EYES!!

 

[mod03rmk800]

There are many "ethical rules" that should be observed while out sledding along side of the loud pipe issue. For the most part it has turned into a free for all battle out there. I have seen sledders ride by snowshoer/skiers at high rate of speeds or getting just past them giving them the BRAAAAP salute. Been group riding with slower riders, pull over to let others pass to have them roost us going by. Seen snowboarders working a small section of hill in fresh powder that were obviously there prior to sleds that day and have a group of riders start to tear the hill up right through there carve marks and off there jumps. I try to respect there choice of use and apply common courtesy on my way to get far away from John Q public. You never know if they are on the fence about us and can bet they are forming opinions on how we treat them. There are the ones that refuse to get out of the middle of the trail but I just ease past them holding my tongue.

Someone that wants the loudest sled possible without substantial power gains is someone that would probably not be riding in my circle. However most arguments about what level is too much is a pretty opinionated one that will never get anywhere.

 

[dgsledneck]

We are all big boys and girls here, I don't think this little discussion here is going to drive a stake into anything. The sledhood is secure

I think these sort of discussions are very important, yep tempers flare once and awhile, but in the end both sides get a bit more educated.

Maybe this discussion will make that person who wants the loud pipe/can think of the effect he/she is having on our sport.

its like kicking a dead horse. and yes i do think people are stupid enough to do just about anything. if you dont think that , then i wish i could think like you . and this topic in my eyes puts a "us and them " in our sport. let see if i can get this right this time. there are things in this world that are inevitable and for people to sit and generalize , it bothers some people who always get thrown under the bus because others just assume what they think is right with no regard for what the real reason may be. so in conclusion i will just slip back into your categories and disappear . have fun thinking you are always right . i am out of here

 

[AkHockey10]

Would pink outfit make me look fat?

 

[Weekday Warrior]

Is my sled too loud?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtKMKVYDqmY

 

[AkHockey10]

unfortunetly, they have an ego the size of texas. That is why they need the "look at me" exhaust.

Thanks, Ollie for the kind comment.

I know that I have a can on my sled because, i like the sound of it. I do not like riding bone stock sleds that sound like a sewing machine on drugs. sorry, i like the sound of pipes and cans. If you dont like the loud cans/pipes...then dont buy that brand. simple as that. Myself, i do NOT like to be the center of attention while riding! I actually, dont even like it when a bunch of random people stop and watch me ride....I sometimes, will wait for people to leave before i play around in an area. no, its not because, im embarrassed with my skills. it just bugs me..

have a good day!

 

[OuraySledder]

I can see you are a real ambassador for the sport. I hope all your HARD work was a little more articulate that this tripe. Over the past 30 years I have hundreds of hours spent in meetings with federal,state and local agencies, clubs and dozens more working on S&R.
If I was a defeatist I would have quit the fight 20 years ago. You tout some small measure of acquiescense by one town and hold it up as a beacon for positive change. A true change would be the removal of the laws, not the lax enforcement. BIG DEAL. Forgive me for being less than awestruck. They can just as easily change their minds with the next election. If it was all about money they would be logging and strip mining your area until it looked like Leadville.
Better read your history books again. The removal of any VALID argument has reversed many laws. The Federal government does not give a hoot about revenues from ATVs and Dirt Bikers.
I am one of those aging hippies and I can tell you it is not us that are the problems. It is the idealistic teens and young adults that want to "save the planet" that will be the end of us. If we all don't band together and work in a constructive manner to preserve what we have.
Sorry to dissapoint you but I spend a fair amount of time riding in your area every year. I have for over twenty years. But feel free to steer clear of Steamboat if that makes you feel better.

Can you read, or is it the comprehension part that escapes you? Here I will try to make it a little more clear for you old man THE LAW HAS BEEN CHANGED IN LAKE CITY TO ALLOW UNLICENSED MOTOR VEHICLES ACCESS TO THE CITY. You seem to have mixed up LC and Ouray. IT IS NOT THE FEDS WHO ARE STOPPING ATVs AND DIRTBIKES IN THESE TOWNS, not sure how you came up with that. The new mayor of Ouray is and aging hippie and thinks the town can survive on hikers and ice climbers. I continue to speak my mind at council meetings. IT IS ABOUT MONEY, THEY JUST RE-OPENED AND STARTED MINING THE RUBY TRUST MINE THIS FALL. As further eveidence that commerce does have pull, the mining company pushed to have the county maintain the road through the winter, no small feat mind you. The revenue generating entity succeded. I have yet to come across a single young adult or teen interested in this issue. The folks I am up against are my age(39) and older in every case.

We win a small victory and you say big deal. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF DEFEATISM. Should they just say "no thanks" we like losing ground, or celebrate it and move forward? Seems pretty obvious to me.

MY area is Red Mountain Pass. Since I am sledless this year, and my riding buddy wont ride it alone, NOBODY has been riding in MY area all season. Once back on the snow, I would be happy to show you around if you can keep up You can have the Uncompahgre Plateau, or the groomed trails over Owl Creek. I don't do trails, extreme back country only, so we are unlikely to meet up there anytime soon by the sounds of it.

 

[Jeff C]

its like kicking a dead horse. and yes i do think people are stupid enough to do just about anything. if you dont think that , then i wish i could think like you . and this topic in my eyes puts a "us and them " in our sport. let see if i can get this right this time. there are things in this world that are inevitable and for people to sit and generalize , it bothers some people who always get thrown under the bus because others just assume what they think is right with no regard for what the real reason may be. so in conclusion i will just slip back into your categories and disappear . have fun thinking you are always right . i am out of here

Well at least we got THAT cleared up.........

 

[PJ-Hunter]

I have a CPI single with a MBRP can on my 05 REV. I went with that one cause it was the only can that added some power and considerable weight loss. I didn't even realize how loud it was until I compared it with my XP. I have a stock pipe with the HPS can. I don't think that either setup is loud at all, compared to other sleds that run in the same area. Chit, I don't like loud stuff, it hurts my ears and gives me a headache. I don't even have the loud exhaust on my CR250 dirtbike.

 

[Steamboat-RN]

Can you read, or is it the comprehension part that escapes you? Here I will try to make it a little more clear for you old man THE LAW HAS BEEN CHANGED IN LAKE CITY TO ALLOW UNLICENSED MOTOR VEHICLES ACCESS TO THE CITY. You seem to have mixed up LC and Ouray. IT IS NOT THE FEDS WHO ARE STOPPING ATVs AND DIRTBIKES IN THESE TOWNS, not sure how you came up with that. The new mayor of Ouray is and aging hippie and thinks the town can survive on hikers and ice climbers. I continue to speak my mind at council meetings. IT IS ABOUT MONEY, THEY JUST RE-OPENED AND STARTED MINING THE RUBY TRUST MINE THIS FALL. As further eveidence that commerce does have pull, the mining company pushed to have the county maintain the road through the winter, no small feat mind you. The revenue generating entity succeded. I have yet to come across a single young adult or teen interested in this issue. The folks I am up against are my age(39) and older in every case.

We win a small victory and you say big deal. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF DEFEATISM. Should they just say "no thanks" we like losing ground, or celebrate it and move forward? Seems pretty obvious to me.

MY area is Red Mountain Pass. Since I am sledless this year, and my riding buddy wont ride it alone, NOBODY has been riding in MY area all season. Once back on the snow, I would be happy to show you around if you can keep up You can have the Uncompahgre Plateau, or the groomed trails over Owl Creek. I don't do trails, extreme back country only, so we are unlikely to meet up there anytime soon by the sounds of it.

So faced with your inability to sway me to your way of thinking, you resort to personal attacks. WOW, why didn't I think of that?

You never said in any of your previous posts that you were able to have any laws changed. You DID however, say that they were not enforcing the laws.
Pardon my confusion. I never said the F.S. was keeping the bikes out of any town. You infered that. The F.S. is closing the riding areas.

Defeatism is the accecptance of the prospect of defeat. While I do not think that we will win every battle, I do think we can win some major ones if we band together. My not applauding your tiny victory in one small town does not in any way demonstrate defeatism on my part.

Your failure to recognize the threat that teens and young adults pose all across the nation is proof positive of your comprehension problems. The greening of America is a real issue that faces us all and is at the heart of this discussion. We as a group are viewed as bad for the environment and as such are being attacked.

As far as your riding prowess, I'm sure that they rate right up there with your debating skills, extreme to be sure.

BTW, all the years I have spent actively trying to work with land manager have been for the love of the sports and for the enjoyment of spending time with my friends. Not to improve the bottom line of my business. But I'll take any help I can get. Thanks.

 

[dgsledneck]

Well at least we got THAT cleared up.........

yeah you really got me ?

 

[OuraySledder]

So faced with your inability to sway me to your way of thinking, you resort to personal attacks. WOW, why didn't I think of that?

You never said in any of your previous posts that you were able to have any laws changed. You DID however, say that they were not enforcing the laws.
Pardon my confusion. I never said the F.S. was keeping the bikes out of any town. You infered that. The F.S. is closing the riding areas.

Defeatism is the accecptance of the prospect of defeat. While I do not think that we will win every battle, I do think we can win some major ones if we band together. My not applauding your tiny victory in one small town does not in any way demonstrate defeatism on my part.

Your failure to recognize the threat that teens and young adults pose all across the nation is proof positive of your comprehension problems. The greening of America is a real issue that faces us all and is at the heart of this discussion. We as a group are viewed as bad for the environment and as such are being attacked.

As far as your riding prowess, I'm sure that they rate right up there with your debating skills, extreme to be sure.

BTW, all the years I have spent actively trying to work with land manager have been for the love of the sports and for the enjoyment of spending time with my friends. Not to improve the bottom line of my business. But I'll take any help I can get. Thanks.

I personally had nothing to do with what has changed in Lake City, I suppose you think I inferred that as well. Please show me where I inferred that the FS was keeping vehicles out of town, I know better than that.

Minimizing even the smallest victory seems pretty counter productive for someone boasting about how much work they have done for the sport. What sort of verbage should I use to appease you?

I am not failing to recognize teens and young adults as a problem, another bizzare inference. Clearly they are an up and coming issue. I merely stated that these are not the people I am currently up against. I do not believe they are that big of a threat yet as I do not see them organized in any manner. Will they as they age and infiltrate our communities? Sure, they are the up and coming problem children.

 

[OuraySledder]

The CSA is supporting legislation that was lifted almost intact from previous Wisconsin legislation. It is an attempt to eliminate noise as an issue. It is based on current EPA standards and was approved by all four major manufacturers and the aftermarket via IMSA. The standard test is an idle dba test. It has some leeway built in for aftermarket equipment. It is reportedly structured to allow the average sledder to easily pass and the super loud to easily fail. That should make you noise haters happy

I asked specifically why, why give something up? Noise is a huge issue confronting land managers. This is one of those "take away the argument" things. I am not sure I agree with the tactic but was assured it will gain us traction with land mangers and that is why the CSA is supporting it.

There is my report, right from the CSA Pres.

 

[Steamboat-RN]

I personally had nothing to do with what has changed in Lake City, I suppose you think I inferred that as well. Please show me where I inferred that the FS was keeping vehicles out of town, I know better than that.

Minimizing even the smallest victory seems pretty counter productive for someone boasting about how much work they have done for the sport. What sort of verbage should I use to appease you?

I am not failing to recognize teens and young adults as a problem, another bizzare inference. Clearly they are an up and coming issue. I merely stated that these are not the people I am currently up against. I do not believe they are that big of a threat yet as I do not see them organized in any manner. Will they as they age and infiltrate our communities? Sure, they are the up and coming problem children.

Do you even take the time to re-read the stuff you write? Or is it just some form of mental diarrhea. You stated that the changes in Lake City took work and we will get Ouray on board next.
You stated that I thought the F.S. was keeping the bikes out of town. An inference on your part. I do not think that at all. I am well aware of the reasons OHVs were originally banned.
You clearly state that you do not see teens and young people as an issue. NOT a bizzare inference on my part. Who do you think make up the BULK of groups like Green Peace and all those other enviro-zealot organizations? Aging hippies? It is the kids that are being brain washed every day by liberal panty-waists in the schools and universities. They are an active VOTING block and they don't care about your economics. Who do you think elected your hippie mayor?
You act like you've come up with some, outside the box, new tactic for change by demonstrating to local business the economic impact of our sport.
Old school, effective, but old school.
Seems that the CSA agrees with the majority of us that LOUD is bad and we need to compromise to survive.
Maybe you can convince them that they are wrong too.

 

[Xrider]

I like my sled and bike to have a little sound to them. If people don't like it tough, wait 30 seconds and it's gone. With that said I ride responsibily and never brap brap the throttle in parking lots or thru town, in fact I make sure I ride as quietly as I possibly can in those situations.

 

[Jeff C]

............ If people don't like it tough, wait 30 seconds and it's gone.

It is those "people" who outnumber us 1,000-1. You cannot any longer simply say "If you don't like it , tough"

Noise is the last credible refuge that the greenies have! Don't hand them the gasoline to fuel the fire.


If and when the greenies move on from this issue, I predict they will venture into less credible opposition in the form of trying to impose high user fees to pay for search and rescue costs in order for riders who get into trouble to be rescued.

Mark my words this one will be next.........

While not credible, this will be the sort of argument next on the agenda.....

 

[JDKZRT]

It is those "people" I predict they will venture into less credible opposition in the form of trying to impose high user fees to pay for search and rescue costs in order for riders who get into trouble to be rescued.

Mark my words this one will be next.........

I'm not sure I agree with this one.......because they are usually cheap *** mf'ers and they get lost in the forest too.
If there's a possibility of THEM getting a bill for S&R they'll protest the sh!t out of that too.