Please post when it shows up, how long it took to get it and the reason why it took that long, if you find out why!
Kurt's Polaris Gear Down Kit?
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Will do.
I called today and got the same story.
We are processing them and will get them out today or tomorrow.
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Not frickin happy. No word from them today.
About ready to build my own braces and make some calls on availability of other gear down kits tomorrow.
I can understand if they are on back order. Fine, tell me that. Do not BS me that we are shipping them tomorrow. Which tomorrow? The second Tuesday of next week?
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About ready to build my own braces and make some calls on availability of other gear down kits tomorrow.
I can understand if they are on back order. Fine, tell me that. Do not BS me that we are shipping them tomorrow. Which tomorrow? The second Tuesday of next week?
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Hello every one,
Jeff parts manager at Kurt's here
I want to apologize for the delays, all 200 plus backorders kits have now been shipped, I have been shipping kits for a few days now, I am sorry for the delay, you will have your kit in a couple days via ups, Canadian shipments will take a bit longer through the postal service.
Thanks for your support.
Hope to see you in the hills.
Jeff parts manager at Kurt's here
I want to apologize for the delays, all 200 plus backorders kits have now been shipped, I have been shipping kits for a few days now, I am sorry for the delay, you will have your kit in a couple days via ups, Canadian shipments will take a bit longer through the postal service.
Thanks for your support.
Hope to see you in the hills.
You didn't mention wether you had more in stock for new orders! People are going to be a bit leery after the last backorder!!
bbacker
They will have one more available. I called TKI this morning. Left a voicemail. Tom called me back about 30 minutes later. Talked to him for about 20 minutes.
I asked him questions and he asked me some about clutching.
Decided on a gearing for my sled and rider weight.
He told me if I wanted a different gearing he would trade me sprockets if I paid shipping. Well that was a no brainer.
Explained to him the run around I was getting with another company. (I did not mention any names)
Told me he had a just received parts back from anodizing but he had several sets ready to go if I wanted it now.
He printed the shipping label while I was on the phone and assured me they would ship today.
I'm sure Curt's gear down kit is a good investment......I am in no way bad mouthing the product. Just disappointed by the customer service.
I am willing to spend the extra money to get an equally as good product as promised.
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First off I'm definitely not in the "Know", but if I were to bet, TKI machines the parts for Kurt's as well. There are very few machine shops in the world that are licensed to cut the Gates Tooth Form (less than 6, last time I inquired). Seems too coincidental that they both just got a large batch of parts back from the anodizer.
If my hunch is correct, Kurt's parts will likely always come second to TKI's own parts being produced / stocked.
Glad I chose C3 for my needs.
If my hunch is correct, Kurt's parts will likely always come second to TKI's own parts being produced / stocked.
Glad I chose C3 for my needs.
Jeff
Who is Larry? Every time I called I was transferred to and spoke with Larry in parts
This is my story.
Order pro gear down kit on Dec 23. Online.
Kit $595.95 + $38.95 shipping = $634.90
Called and talked to Larry on Dec 26. Ordered Tunnel Savers $129.99.
Said he would put them in the box with the gear down kit. Hadn't shipped but they had just received several sets from Seeley Lake and would ship that Friday or Monday.
Called on December 31st to ask if I would get a tracking number or shipping confirmation number.
Larry told me he would have them shipped probably Friday or Monday due to the holiday. (New Years).
Called Monday the 5th. No answer.
Now I'm pissed because website says Curt's is closed on Sunday AND Monday. (could swear he told me twice that they would ship on a Monday)
Called on Tuesday. Talked to Larry. Still polite but pissed that where are my parts or a tracking number. It's been 2 weeks and still getting the run around. Same story. Will ship today (Tuesday) or tomorrow (Wednesday) I let him know that I wanted a tracking number on my parts, when they shipped.
Nothing. No word whatsoever.
This morning I am done with the BS.
Called TKI and ordered a gear down kit from Tom.
This afternoon I finally get an email with a tracking number that the parts have shipped.
Sorry but I am not accepting the shipment and will return it unopened. Please refund my card as I will be contacting the card company to inform them I am denying shipment.
I am not trying to be a jerk about this but in this instance customer service or lack there of made and lost this sale.
If you have any questions or doubts I can provide proof of all transactions and call connections.
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I am not in the know on this either.
Won't comment on that part.
My issue was customer service. I can understand parts being back ordered. We are in the middle of riding getting good.
If a part is backordered that is fine. I can understand supply and demand. No big deal. Tell me that. Sorry we are 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 2 years, what ever, out on those. I will deal with it.
I was outright lied to by Larry that he had the parts I wanted and would ship them to me.
Not once but 4 times. That is my issue. Sorry, rant over.
Back to the gear down kit.
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Ok, I have a question that I haven't found the answer to so far.
Gearing down helps to utilize the full clutch set instead of just using maybe half of it in mountain applications. My 13 pro is stock, and I live at in MN at about 1000 feet. I would like to have one gear set for riding here, Upper Michigan, and Out West. Would a 2.41 gear set be TOO low for me? As in would it possibly be enough to cause overdrive or overshift in the clutches? Would something in the 2.25 range be a better fit for me?
Or in otherwords, how do you know when you have geared down too much?
Gearing down helps to utilize the full clutch set instead of just using maybe half of it in mountain applications. My 13 pro is stock, and I live at in MN at about 1000 feet. I would like to have one gear set for riding here, Upper Michigan, and Out West. Would a 2.41 gear set be TOO low for me? As in would it possibly be enough to cause overdrive or overshift in the clutches? Would something in the 2.25 range be a better fit for me?
Or in otherwords, how do you know when you have geared down too much?
2.41 is my ideal gearing on this chassis with my 3" paddles.
I ride from 5000-8000 feet.
2.25 would be GREAT for your lower elevations at home, but you'll have to clutch for it.
You NEED to re-clutch if you re-gear in order to maximize the new upshift and characteristics created by more power to the track.
Anyone should understand that on sleds that clutching is done to create desired performance at the specific gearing. New gearing will be optimal with clutching changes.
Just as with engine mods, pipe, head, porting, etc. You need to clutch to adjust and achieve optimal performance.
Gearing down will likely see higher revs. You'll have to clutch it out if they rev too high.
Gearing down will likely see you reaching peak revs faster and you'll hold it easier. If you don't then your upshift and backshift will not be optimal with the springs that you were using for that OTHER gearing.
I ride from 5000-8000 feet.
2.25 would be GREAT for your lower elevations at home, but you'll have to clutch for it.
You NEED to re-clutch if you re-gear in order to maximize the new upshift and characteristics created by more power to the track.
Anyone should understand that on sleds that clutching is done to create desired performance at the specific gearing. New gearing will be optimal with clutching changes.
Just as with engine mods, pipe, head, porting, etc. You need to clutch to adjust and achieve optimal performance.
Gearing down will likely see higher revs. You'll have to clutch it out if they rev too high.
Gearing down will likely see you reaching peak revs faster and you'll hold it easier. If you don't then your upshift and backshift will not be optimal with the springs that you were using for that OTHER gearing.
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Biltit, If I recall correctly you have a coupla go fast parts as well....?
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rkaminky
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install tools?
Are the install tools worth buying or can you easily slid the gears and belt on without them?
Also, has anyone only done the gear down kit and then added the clutch kit from kurts at a later time? is it worth the extra 180$ for the kit? swapping weights on the primary also?
Thanks
Ryan
Are the install tools worth buying or can you easily slid the gears and belt on without them?
Also, has anyone only done the gear down kit and then added the clutch kit from kurts at a later time? is it worth the extra 180$ for the kit? swapping weights on the primary also?
Thanks
Ryan
I've also had some issue with the shipping of the clutch kit i ordered on 4th december. They didn't sent me any tracking number at all when they shipped it so i had to call them to have that.
As far as result, I have not been able to put enough time on the kit on the mountain. But we did a lot of testing (drag racing) with my friend that have also the kit. Here is the results :
Stock gearing vs Polaris gear down (no clutch kit) :
definitely more throttle responsive and more agressive holeshot. We were fighting traction but most of the time he took 2-3 length on me and stayed there. We also did some rolling start from about 30-40 mph till 80 mph and there wasn't really a difference. The winner was usually the one that give the start. No one was really pulling away at 40 mph to top speed. We also found that the speedo was off about 10 km/h. Before gear down kit my friend would pull about 8300 rpm (hard pack at high speed). With the gear down he could hit easily 8400-8500 with the same weight he had before.
Polaris gear down vs Polaris gear down with their clutch kit :
one thing we noticed right away was the 4600 rpm engagement vs 4100 without clutch kit. On a drag racing it was pretty even on the top speed but the clutch kit made it stronger from 30-50 mph where he could take 1.5 length and than stay there. We were still fighting traction (hard pack and kinda icy) so the holeshot really depend on the line and driver. His rpm with the clutch kit dropped a bit to 8400.(helix on the low angle) On my sled with the gear down i gained 100 rpm with the same weight(he gained more but i dont know why... see mods of each sled below). Before i was hitting 8200-8250 and now 8300 to 8400. We will find out if they keep their rpm on the deep pow but i guess we both might loose 50-100 rpm. Seat of the pants we both agreed that the sled was working better with the clutch kit. The throttle responsive was even better and seems to have more bite on the belt.
Here is some info on drivers and sled :
Me : 6'4, 195-200 pounds
Him : 5'10 180 pounds
My sled : Polaris 800 Pro RMK 2014 163 MDS weight (72,1 grams) and primary spring (110-290) (not anymore with the Kurt Polaris clutch kit), HPS Can, thermostat bypass, green/white VES spring, brand new Polaris drive belt. 40:1 ratio
His sled : Polaris 800 Pro RMK 2014 163 MDS weight (72,1 grams) and primary spring (110-290) (not anymore with the Kurt Polaris clutch kit),stock can, stock orange VES spring, old polaris drive belt with a pulled cord. 60:1 ratio
Elevation : Québec, Canada, about 3000'
I just installed my clutch kit but we didn't test again.
Another thing we noticed about the gear down kit is how fast the rpm climb to peak. With the OEM gearing it takes some time to hit the target. With the gear down kit there's almost no delay and your at 8200-8250 and then it still climb while gaining more speed.
I will have more testing done soon with mountain riding... not only drag racing and trail experience. We will bring a laser gun to compare temperature with stock pro on the quick drive belt and drive belt.
Last thing, i think but i'm not 100% sure is that the secondary spring in their kit is the same as the Polaris black/purple. Mine was painted white but we could still see that the color under the white was probably black and we still could see the little pink/purple rectangles. Both spring were the same length. I had a brand new black/purple in the garage so that why i compared both. We still put their spring on both of our sled even if we think it's the same.
Btw we installed both kit without the Polaris quick drive tools. It took 10 min each but i did buy after that the tool to do it faster and have less frustration.
As far as result, I have not been able to put enough time on the kit on the mountain. But we did a lot of testing (drag racing) with my friend that have also the kit. Here is the results :
Stock gearing vs Polaris gear down (no clutch kit) :
definitely more throttle responsive and more agressive holeshot. We were fighting traction but most of the time he took 2-3 length on me and stayed there. We also did some rolling start from about 30-40 mph till 80 mph and there wasn't really a difference. The winner was usually the one that give the start. No one was really pulling away at 40 mph to top speed. We also found that the speedo was off about 10 km/h. Before gear down kit my friend would pull about 8300 rpm (hard pack at high speed). With the gear down he could hit easily 8400-8500 with the same weight he had before.
Polaris gear down vs Polaris gear down with their clutch kit :
one thing we noticed right away was the 4600 rpm engagement vs 4100 without clutch kit. On a drag racing it was pretty even on the top speed but the clutch kit made it stronger from 30-50 mph where he could take 1.5 length and than stay there. We were still fighting traction (hard pack and kinda icy) so the holeshot really depend on the line and driver. His rpm with the clutch kit dropped a bit to 8400.(helix on the low angle) On my sled with the gear down i gained 100 rpm with the same weight(he gained more but i dont know why... see mods of each sled below). Before i was hitting 8200-8250 and now 8300 to 8400. We will find out if they keep their rpm on the deep pow but i guess we both might loose 50-100 rpm. Seat of the pants we both agreed that the sled was working better with the clutch kit. The throttle responsive was even better and seems to have more bite on the belt.
Here is some info on drivers and sled :
Me : 6'4, 195-200 pounds
Him : 5'10 180 pounds
My sled : Polaris 800 Pro RMK 2014 163 MDS weight (72,1 grams) and primary spring (110-290) (not anymore with the Kurt Polaris clutch kit), HPS Can, thermostat bypass, green/white VES spring, brand new Polaris drive belt. 40:1 ratio
His sled : Polaris 800 Pro RMK 2014 163 MDS weight (72,1 grams) and primary spring (110-290) (not anymore with the Kurt Polaris clutch kit),stock can, stock orange VES spring, old polaris drive belt with a pulled cord. 60:1 ratio
Elevation : Québec, Canada, about 3000'
I just installed my clutch kit but we didn't test again.
Another thing we noticed about the gear down kit is how fast the rpm climb to peak. With the OEM gearing it takes some time to hit the target. With the gear down kit there's almost no delay and your at 8200-8250 and then it still climb while gaining more speed.
I will have more testing done soon with mountain riding... not only drag racing and trail experience. We will bring a laser gun to compare temperature with stock pro on the quick drive belt and drive belt.
Last thing, i think but i'm not 100% sure is that the secondary spring in their kit is the same as the Polaris black/purple. Mine was painted white but we could still see that the color under the white was probably black and we still could see the little pink/purple rectangles. Both spring were the same length. I had a brand new black/purple in the garage so that why i compared both. We still put their spring on both of our sled even if we think it's the same.
Btw we installed both kit without the Polaris quick drive tools. It took 10 min each but i did buy after that the tool to do it faster and have less frustration.
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I grew up riding trails in MN and now live in the mountains. I have a 14 pro 163 with the Kurt's gear down kit. I love it in the mountains and would highly recommend it. That being said, it is not good for trail riding - even at elevation. In MN / Michigan I would leave the stock gearing in it.
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