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MPS
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sorry, you have been branded....It is all over for you
rats! hoodwinked again!
Keep "In God we trust" on our money.....
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rats! hoodwinked again!
Well thanks MPS, although I must admit, I'm not sure what it means.
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Ruffy,
To a degree you are correct. Religion does shackle ones mind to a point.
You have but to look at the Taliban to see that it can be completely blinding.
However, that is what it takes to have a socialistic society. You have to be completely blinding by the limitations.
Capitalism is the only true freedom
You are free to work or not. Of cource if you choose not too, you will starve or learn to live off the land.
You are free to work for someone else or start your own company.
You are free to buy a vehicle of your choosing.
You are free to move where you want.
The above statements don't work under socialism. Look at russia. There was a 5 year waiting period for a crappy little car that might run for 6 months. If there was a shortage of workers in one area, they moved people to that area from somewhere else. All in the name of "The People".
There will always be a VERY small minority that just can't work because of physical limitations, but to say, I can't work because I had 10 kids, is an excuse not a reason.
Have you ever worked for someone you couldn't stand so you quit?
Can't do that under socialism. The people need you where you are.
many, many things have been done in the name of "The People".
To prove that, all you have to do is look at Hitler.
Hitler, just as Obama, thought he had all the answers also, and those answers were bigger government and more government control.
How'd that work out?
To a degree you are correct. Religion does shackle ones mind to a point.
You have but to look at the Taliban to see that it can be completely blinding.
However, that is what it takes to have a socialistic society. You have to be completely blinding by the limitations.
Capitalism is the only true freedom
You are free to work or not. Of cource if you choose not too, you will starve or learn to live off the land.
You are free to work for someone else or start your own company.
You are free to buy a vehicle of your choosing.
You are free to move where you want.
The above statements don't work under socialism. Look at russia. There was a 5 year waiting period for a crappy little car that might run for 6 months. If there was a shortage of workers in one area, they moved people to that area from somewhere else. All in the name of "The People".
There will always be a VERY small minority that just can't work because of physical limitations, but to say, I can't work because I had 10 kids, is an excuse not a reason.
Have you ever worked for someone you couldn't stand so you quit?
Can't do that under socialism. The people need you where you are.
many, many things have been done in the name of "The People".
To prove that, all you have to do is look at Hitler.
Hitler, just as Obama, thought he had all the answers also, and those answers were bigger government and more government control.
How'd that work out?
mmmm.... I don't agree with that. It is a nice line that people like to use. You are under someones shackles, it just is no longer the governments.
Lets play some what if games?
If it takes money to make money, then it stands to reason that those that have all the money, will continue to make more and more of it.
What would you see happening after 100 or so years of this? Do you see power trickling up, and money trickling up to fewer and fewer people?
Eventually when it is in the hands of fewer and fewer people, to me, it starts looking like surfdom and the middle ages, with the rich (royalty) having all the land and power, and people working there whole lives for scraps..
Does anyone here believe that capitalism has no flaws at all? That it is perfect? That it is the only means for a society to work in?
Big question for everyone.. Is money the only motivator in your life? Is it the only thing you do anything for? Is it possible to better your life without the use of money? Without any use of markets or financial structures?
Yes money is a good motivator, and capitalism is the best at motivating people by the means of money. But that is only a part of what motivates a person to do things.
Don't you guys do things out of love? Out of friendship? Out of respect? Or do you only budge when the almighty dollar commands it?
Yes money is a good motivator, and capitalism is the best at motivating people by the means of money. But that is only a part of what motivates a person to do things.
Don't you guys do things out of love? Out of friendship? Out of respect? Or do you only budge when the almighty dollar commands it?
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MPS
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Dedicated to Ruffy:
Guess our national leaders didn't expect this, hmm? On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton , Colorado , was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.
They were not prepared for what he wa s to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:
"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out f or answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA , the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.
Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots20fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!
" Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational
systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.
"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your
own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
Do what the media did not - - let the nation hear this man's speech.. Please send this out to everyone you can. God Bless
Guess our national leaders didn't expect this, hmm? On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton , Colorado , was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.
They were not prepared for what he wa s to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:
"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out f or answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA , the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.
Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots20fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!
" Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational
systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.
"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your
own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
Do what the media did not - - let the nation hear this man's speech.. Please send this out to everyone you can. God Bless
I would like to think that I have done so much with so little for so long that can do anything with nothing.
But that is not the case, Try doing what we all love on here & that is snowmobiling w/out money.
Ok who ownes a snowmobile dealership & is willing to trade me my pig & 2 chicken's for a new sled w/riding gear?
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Ollie
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Yes. I do.
The Problem is when you stick government controls on it. Once you inject government, you destroy capitalism. Just as every politician in the country has been doing for 100 years. Obama is just more efficient at it.
I tried paying my cable and electric bills today with "love" "friendship" and "respect". Didn't work
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Ollie
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You just need a cabinet position in Obama's white house.
Don't think I'm crooked enough.
Amen to that, although there are a lot more countries then just Iran that I would send folks back to.
Walk away? To where? You just change the shackles... again, not much of a difference. And that is only your job, one small part that you have control over.
Nah, you just didn't understand it... Yes we are run by millionaires, by the rich. Look at all your arguments about "the people behind Obama" and the like. Those in power only have the power? Well, the problem is that "WE THE PEOPLE" give him this power. Wait, did you segway from a discussion about market economics to government configurations? My point is the big companies will eventually have all the control, and that will be it. There is no recource that people have. Kind of like the company towns way back when.
Like most failures, they are brought upon by people. Again, you said they had no incentive... yes they did, they excelled, and "THE PEOPLE" still do. I think you need to take a closer look at what the collapse of the country was about, and why it happened. Instead of this "socialism is bad and of course it failed cause capitalism is so much better" attitude.
Why do you say costs would increase so? If competition arrises, the large companies can just flood the market with cheap products and bye bye the little man goes. I think we might have rules against that now... cough cough regulations.. cough cough...
Wow, So what are your thoughts on monopolies? Trade regulations? What about safety regulations? It all should be removed? So what about the fire dept, police, military, education? Should everything be put out on the capitalist market structure?
So no oversight at all? That seems to be what you are referring when you say "Capitalism has no problems at all"..
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Ollie
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Military is the domain of the government under the constitution.
Hate to tell you this, but there are cities that already contract out, fire, police, trash, water and sewer as well as education. All on contract, all at a lower cost and better run. If said company screws up, you fire them and hire someone else.
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/05/14/u...-what-government-once-did.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/article/416
Law enforcement
http://www.kingcounty.gov/safety/sheriff/About/Contracts.aspx
The list goes on and on.
There is nothing the government can do that private sector can't do better (with the possible exception of the military).
So what about monopolies? Why is military the only exception? The law enforcement example is from one govt entity to another, not sure if that counts or not...
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Ollie
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what about em?
The only reason a monopoly would exist is if the government backs it.
If we had true capitalism, a monopoly could never exist. There would be too many people trying to get a slice of the pie.
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Ollie
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Yes, there is a HUGE monopoly.
One you can't break.
One you have zero chance of every getting dismantled.
It's call the Government of the United States of America.
They spend money they don't have.
They spend money without anyones permission.
They take jobs and create ones they want.
They are immune from the very laws they force upon us.
Government (run by Dems or Republicans, makes no difference) is the only true monopoly.
