Is there any chance to actually get rid of obama care???

[milehighassassin]

I can't see Obamacare being good for anyone except the freeloaders who don't/won't work anyways.

It is not a plan. It is a mandate. Even the "freeloaders" have to pay for it. IT is just like you are required to have vehicle insurance, it requires you to have health insurance. If you currently have health insurance, do nothing, keep your plan and nothing changes.

People say they can't afford health insurance yet they go to the bar and drop $60+ a night, they have a $130 a month cell phone and they wear $100 jeans.

This will improve quality of life in this country.

 

[donbrown]

It is not a plan. It is a mandate. Even the "freeloaders" have to pay for it. IT is just like you are required to have vehicle insurance, it requires you to have health insurance. If you currently have health insurance, do nothing, keep your plan and nothing changes.

People say they can't afford health insurance yet they go to the bar and drop $60+ a night, they have a $130 a month cell phone and they wear $100 jeans.

This will improve quality of life in this country.

Okay I understand this statement BUT take exception to some parts.

Even the "freeloaders" have to pay for it.

If a person has a tax history showing their income is classified as poverty your health insurance will be paid by someone else ... free.

It this a redistribution of wealth?

IT is just like you are required to have vehicle insurance, it requires you to have health insurance.

You don't have to have auto insurance if you don't have a licensed vehicle.
You need vehicle insurance if you use it on public property or want to protect from liability. You can use a vehicle on private property with out insurance. PLUS most states have a clause saying you don't have to buy 3rd party insurance if you have a "bond" or proof of money set aside for any liabilities for using the vehicle.

It is not a plan. It is a mandate. it requires you to have health insurance. If you currently have health insurance, do nothing, keep your plan and nothing changes.

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Yep as soon as you are born ... even in a barn you must have health insurance effective 2014 or you will pay a "flat tax" eventually resulting to possible prosecution. If you already have current health insurance you are paying at least $63 a year for not being part of the ACA program (Affordable Care Act) That costs $5,25 a month for those already insured. Also based on value and income there is an 3.8% income tax AND 3.8% PROPERTY tax imposed on the sale of real estate AND a 3.8% investment tax. ALSO if you have a "CADILLAC" plan you are subject to extra taxes. Also your present plan MUST eventually comply with the ACA ... right not enforced but to be ACA qualified there are at least 10 minimum requirements.

People say they can't afford health insurance yet they go to the bar and drop $60+ a night, they have a $130 a month cell phone and they wear $100 jeans.
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Not all go to a bar, pay $130 for cell phone and wear $100 jeans. I buy most of my clothes at yards sales, or on the clearance rack and yes I look like crap. I'd be happy to state more ways to save money.

This will improve quality of life in this country.

Statistically true BUT several accounting offices including the Federal Governments own state in written reports the amount of uninsured today will not be fully eliminated. They state of those 30 million uninsured the number will not go below 20 million. For those 10 million who are "insured" what's the real cost?

Do you want to discuss how poverty has not decreased and income levels have decreased since the introduction of social programs to help?

Do you want to discuss how some minorities are being decreased by laws?

Lets discuss the at least 5 exceptions of the mandated law Affordable Care Act the president did out of the rule of law, with out the approval of congress. Please correct me but only Congress creates law and the sworn execution branch before GOD and country to enforce the laws for the people.

Lets talk about the 5000 plus ACA applications released on the internet day one including DOB, SSN, address etc.? Do we have a right to privacy?

How much of a persons working life are an obligation of others and the government thru laws and taxes? 5% 15% 40% 60% and yes there was a 90% income tax bracket at one time.Have you worked so hard to hinder your own health and welfare then as yourself when you get the check only to realize you went to a higher tax bracket and received less money for your efforts? How about your life? At what point of obligation and duty does one stop being a citizen and becomes a servant? ?

Society must be able to adjust itself for pragmatic economic decisions and to balance interests of the state and society against those of individuals and their constitutional rights to personal freedom and private happiness

 

[Reeb]

If any of you Americans out there think that government run health care is the answer you are wrong!
I am a Canadian who has paid taxes all my life and finally retired 4 years ago. All my life I have worked hard to stay in shape and maintain a high level of fitness. Just after I retired I shredded my rotator cuff , labrum and bicep tendon, making my right arm pretty much useless. I waited 6 months just to see a othropedic surgeon, another month for an MRI ( even though my surgeon put me on the fast track) and another year and a half for my surgery. When I finally got my surgery the surgeon could not do it with a scope because the tendons had rolled up into the shoulder over time. He had to cut me open and do the repair, which resulted in my rehab being much longer.
If I had been someone who worked with his hands for a living, I would not have been able to work for almost 3 years.
Now I have developed a problem with my knee which requires surgery. I have days when it really hurts just to walk around. I have been waiting to see the surgeon since May. I called his office a couple of days ago and they told me I would be able to see him sometime between now and Christmas. Who knows when I will get the surgery? To get some relief I have been seeing a massage therapist, who tells me that the injury to my knee is causing me to walk improperly and if not corrected I will develop hip problems. In addition, the injury is preventing me from maintain my fitness levels. Once again, if I was a tradesman, I would not be able to work.
This is what you get for working hard to keep in shape, and paying taxes for 40 years. If you are a drug addict who gets stabbed over a drug deal gone bad you will get you surgery tomorrow! Us Canadians call our system "Universal Health care" . The only problem is ....it is universally ****ty for everyone...the drug addict who has never paid taxes all his life or the working guy who works all his life and pays for the system.
The rich have no problem...if they need surgery they go to the US and pay the best surgeons ( many of whom are Canadians who left the Canadian system out of frustration) to have the surgery there.
My wife is an RN who works in the system...she comes home with horror stories every day.
If you want to see a good thing get screwed up... let the government run it.

If you were still working WCB would have taken care of this. Sorry but Retired and old takes a backseat to working and able.

 

[donbrown]

If you were still working WCB would have taken care of this. Sorry but Retired and old takes a backseat to working and able.

History has based how great a society is on how they take care of the old, weak, sick, opponents, criminals and enemies.

So who gets to say whose the horse and whose the cart? Are you saying the working class gets priority over the old and weak based on Canadian health care law?

 

[mtsummitx]

If you were still working WCB would have taken care of this. Sorry but Retired and old takes a backseat to working and able.

Thats a shame that this is how this is viewed. He worked all his life and paid his dues and now can't get taken care of....that's too bad. Now, do I belive in beating a dead horse forever, no, but this guy just needs a knee fixed.

 

[beard]

quote don brown

"How much of a persons working life are an obligation of others and the government thru laws and taxes? 5% 15% 40% 60% ones Have you worked so hard to hinder your own health and welfare? How about your life? At what point of obligation and duty does one stop being a citizen and becomes a servant? ?"


i'm of the opinion if anyone says something is mandatory (including healthcare) u are a servant,

 

[Finnlandr]

i'm of the opinion if anyone says something is mandatory (including healthcare) u are a servant,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se7CYVYK5zI

 

[Finnlandr]

...and then the IRS knocks on his door.....this is unbelievable.

Hussein and his administration are disgusting!!


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...reakfast-/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

 

[mold]

Just signed on to the Idaho Insurance Exchange and found out I can save around 40% on my monthly insurance cost for exact same coverage over what I am currently paying through my employer of 15 years.

 

[Finnlandr]

Just signed on to the Idaho Insurance Exchange and found out I can save around 40% on my monthly insurance cost for exact same coverage over what I am currently paying through my employer of 15 years.

BS....proof?

 

[mold]

BS....proof?

What was/is your personal experience?

 

[plumnuts]

This issue has bothered me lately; how is it that Canada has managed to do this for 50+ years, yet the States cannot? Just throwing it out there, if our country can do it then why can't the States? What's the difference between us that makes it nearly impossible down there?

the main problem is the numbers, there are as many people in California as in Canada

 

[jvb]

Just signed on to the Idaho Insurance Exchange and found out I can save around 40% on my monthly insurance cost for exact same coverage over what I am currently paying through my employer of 15 years.

Think you better slap yourself your dreaming!

 

[plumnuts]

Just signed on to the Idaho Insurance Exchange and found out I can save around 40% on my monthly insurance cost for exact same coverage over what I am currently paying through my employer of 15 years.

Well need to ask a question is this with the government tax credit? You are correct some plans are pretty good and affordable for the average income person. Here is the problem (and you won't see it for a year or two)... people who are motivated to buy insurance that is affordable (like you) and people who must have insurance because of a serious health condition are going to sign up... that was expected. The unknown is will the young healthy people sign up to off set the older and less healthy. If they don't several things will happen... insurance companies will bail out of the exchange and/or the federal government will have to pour large amount of dollars into the exchanges to keep them going and elevate the taxes on people who don't buy insurance.

There are good things within the Affordable Care Act but the funding will not work. There are ways to make it better (heck the President already has approved 7 changes already put thru by the GOP)... but there needs to be more changes. As example we should dismantle the tax breaks our employers receive and let us go and shop on the market for insurance (in other words give me the money and I will go and buy insurance). Another thing would be to allow interstate selling of insurance... do away with the mandatory healthy minimums (I should be able to choose if I want free health screening... but it is not "free")... and eliminate the taxes set up on devices and pharmacy... big drivers on costs... and there are some ways that tax wise HSA accounts could even be a better deal than they are now

 

[jvb]

I've had the same insurance for myself for the last 15 or so years. Received a letter in mail that jan 1st I will no longer have coverage. I had a pretty good plan I got it when I was 21 so It was pretty inexpensive. I have been looking at a new plan and it is about $80 month more and less coverage and big deductibles! Don't understand why we have to make people get insurance. Ive had it since I was 21 and making 12 dollars an hour. You can afford cell phones, cable, internet ect, but you cant get some health insurance!

 

[Finnlandr]

What was/is your personal experience?

My insurance company hasnt given me rates yet...

How is it your the only person thats getting a decrease?

EVERY single article and expert analysis shows healthcare will cost more.



Double Down: Obamacare Will Increase Avg. Individual-Market Insurance Premiums By 99% For Men, 62% For Women

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...nsurance-premiums-by-99-for-men-62-for-women/

 

[Finnlandr]

let us go and shop on the market for insurance ... allow interstate selling of insurance...

There is nothing good about Osamacare!

But your point above is the best alternative....it should be treated like car insurance.....let the companies compete for our business and drive down cost.

 

[skidoorulz]

Only one I have ever heard of is in Billings. Excellent authentic Mexican food. Not much English spoken but they will get you what you want without much problem. Not sure if the like or dislike white guys but they seem to like white guy $$$.

You've obviously been thru Billings, you think Border Boys is good (which it is) You should eat at Mabels (pronounced MA BELLS) in Laurel. It is better than Border Boys

 

[skidoorulz]

If you were still working WCB would have taken care of this. Sorry but Retired and old takes a backseat to working and able.

And that is a good system? I would rather take care of the retired (which means they worked) and old, than the fat and lazy (which means they probably don't work) any day.

 

[donbrown]

Just signed on to the Idaho Insurance Exchange and found out I can save around 40% on my monthly insurance cost for exact same coverage over what I am currently paying through my employer of 15 years.

I can believe this cause you are over 60 and it is subsidized to get you to sign up.

What are the deductables?

Same level of coverage as your employers policy? Same doctors?

Did you have to declare your medical history, hip replacement, smoking etc?

I read ages 18 thru 24 males will pay at least 50% more in all 50 states to subsidize older people