If you wear an "ABS Bag" or "Similar" aren't you part of the problem ?

[RMK7SledHead]

imo,OT is alot smarter than most of you think he is.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! You and all your years hanging around here make your opinion and knowledge of the instigator irrelevant. Notice all the youngins calling OT a moron and an idiot and all these other things...they don't even have a clue who they're dealing with...we were all that way once-upon-a-time.

stop bringing common sense and thinking into these threads. Sit back and enjoy the show.

 

[pernikm]

Knock, Knock Beacons "DO NOT SAVE YOUR LIFE" they just insure your loved ones will be able to find your body before the snow thaws. Seat Belts are the same thing they don't save your azz nor does the airbag under the right circumstance.

Insurance does not bring your Dead Azz back either...Knock, Knock

OT

no...beacons, seat belts and airbags save lives. Quite a few actually, not perfect but pretty good.

Karl

 

[KMMAC]

Unfairadvantage,,,,,, I was trying to be sarcastic guess I missed. Back in the day I would normally say something like, I want what this guy is on......................

 

[Insaneboltrounder/sjohns]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! You and all your years hanging around here make your opinion and knowledge of the instigator irrelevant. Notice all the youngins calling OT a moron and an idiot and all these other things...they don't even have a clue who they're dealing with...we were all that way once-upon-a-time.

stop bringing common sense and thinking into these threads. Sit back and enjoy the show.

Some of here have been here forever... and know exactly what he is. This youngins have it figured. sj

 

[Snoman69]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! You and all your years hanging around here make your opinion and knowledge of the instigator irrelevant. Notice all the youngins calling OT a moron and an idiot and all these other things...they don't even have a clue who they're dealing with...we were all that way once-upon-a-time.

stop bringing common sense and thinking into these threads. Sit back and enjoy the show.

No Kiddin.... Pass the popcorn

 

[teeroy]

Mark My Words Next Big Storm The Forum Will Be Discussing Some Poor Azz Who Killed Himself In an Avy the Poor Azz Created.

OT

lol...I'll give ya a grand if you stand at the funeral of the next avy victim and loudly pronounce this statement in all your glory. even if you do, pretty sure I won't have to pay out.....

as stated previously, your choice of bait is incredible. good on ya....

 

[pernikm]

Please don't use safety gear. "Clearly, if your an" user "of such" equipment "you admit to taking the risk on potential dangerous...activity". Don't use cars, motorcycles, snowmobiles, bath tubs, stairs or ladders. For god sakes don't use helmets, gloves, boots or eye protection. Never use electrical breakers or GFCI circuits. Don't live where there is ice, lightning, tornados, tsunami, or earthquakes. But please, if you honestly believe safety procedures, and equipment cause accidents...then please, please, please use condoms. The gene pool is already too shallow. Too damn much food has killed more people than avalanches. Should we stop eating?

Karl

 

[sledlvr]

Hey OT ! Just wondering , How long have you been a member of the Siera Club ?

 

[snowmobiler]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! You and all your years hanging around here make your opinion and knowledge of the instigator irrelevant. Notice all the youngins calling OT a moron and an idiot and all these other things...they don't even have a clue who they're dealing with...we were all that way once-upon-a-time.

stop bringing common sense and thinking into these threads. Sit back and enjoy the show.

 

[Original Tetonice]

Please don't use safety gear. "Clearly, if your an" user "of such" equipment "you admit to taking the risk on potential dangerous...activity". Don't use cars, motorcycles, snowmobiles, bath tubs, stairs or ladders. For god sakes don't use helmets, gloves, boots or eye protection. Never use electrical breakers or GFCI circuits. Don't live where there is ice, lightning, tornados, tsunami, or earthquakes. But please, if you honestly believe safety procedures, and equipment cause accidents...then please, please, please use condoms. The gene pool is already too shallow. Too damn much food has killed more people than avalanches. Should we stop eating?

Karl

Saftey equipment doesn't causes accidents. It's those that make the purchase of saftey who conclude that with the purchase of saftey gear they are now some how safer. And because they feel safer they display there reckless habits all across the slopes of the backcountry.


Knock, Knock humans cause avalanches......Do humans cause earthquakes, lightning,tornados & tsnuami's ? Do you wear a life jacket in the bath tub ?

Mark my words when the next big snow storm hits some one will be killed in a avalanche they created.

OT

 

[harrysmith500]

I disagree. It's kind of like water skiing with out a life jacket. It can be done but there is way more risk.

agreed

 

[m8magicandmystery]

Mark My Word Next Big Storm Some Poor Azz Will Be Killed In A Avalanche They Created.

OT

wow..no kidding OT..and next storm a person will die in a car accident...and some poor older couple will gas themselves trying to stay warm with the power out and some poor
soul partying will attempt to walk home and freeze and some poor children will be left to fend for themselves and perish and on and on and on...WHATS YOUR POINT..!!!...many will die in the next big storm in many ways..we are IMPERFECT CAUSE WE ARE HUMAN..!!...we can;t change that OT..no matter how we try to outsmart being imperfect we are always going to fail...but anyway thanks for trying to change us...but spend some time thinking just maybe...maybe..change is what you need..

 

[JET FUEL]

Saftey equipment doesn't causes accidents. It's those that make the purchase of saftey who conclude that with the purchase of saftey gear they are now some how safer. And because they feel safer they display there reckless habits all across the slopes of the backcountry.


Knock, Knock humans cause avalanches......Do humans cause earthquakes, lightning,tornados & tsnuami's ? Do you wear a life jacket in the bath tub ?

Mark my words when the next big snow storm hits some one will be killed in a avalanche they created.

OT

Let me see if I can follow your logic.

So if I bought a "safe automobile" one with air bags and four wheel drive, maybe something like a Toyota of some sort and I decided to drive it in bad weather (why wouldn't I, it has 4wheel drive and all the latest safety equipment). And then I get into an accident and die. It would be my fault because I drove a safe 4wheel drive in bad weather.

 

[CoyoteGirl]

4 years ago, almost to the day, OT made the same kind of post regarding the avy that took Animal. Attacking all of us that were involved right after we lost our buddy Dave in an Avy. It hurt like h#ll. What an insensitive arshole was ALL I could think! I took everything he said personally and I wanted to kick his ars! I was already emotional and the words he was saying (that we had killed Dave) hurt me big time. When I met him later that year I was still furious and wanted to hurl! He sat me down and explained to me what he was doing by making those posts. He isn’t sugar coating it, he’s trying to open up eyes.

Does it hurt? YES

Insensitive? Yup.

Bad timing? Maybe not, because when someone has died that might be a good time to get more people to listen???

Is it effective? Not always and not immediately.

I went out and was part of another burial the next year. Now, after 2 burials and a few different AVY classes I can see EXACTLY what he is saying. He isn’t saying it the best way. But what he is trying to do is open up a discussion. Some of you are calling him an idiot, yet you are the ones pulling out the name calling (hello… fatso doesn’t really hurt that bad! Lol) Arrogant? Maybe. But really people… name calling is for 4 year olds.

His tactic is brutal and most people are too defensive to really look into what he is saying. I’m not condoning his behaviour by ANY MEANS! But, being on the beaten side of his attacks I can tell you to step back and look what he is saying. Take your ego and lose it. I am pretty sure his objective is to not come on here and read YOUR name in a thread title saying RIP so and so.

Most avalanche incidents involving sledders are started because they are there in the wrong place. Even with peeps on the trail the argument can be made that they chose to ride that trail through a high risk area. It was still a human choice made that led to the outcome. Yes, avalanches occur naturally. But if a human is involved in one… the statement “if an avy happens a mistake has been made” seems to be pretty spot on.

Many of you can flame at me for defending the big bad meanie… that’s is just fine. I’m still learning too. And unfortunately, learning by fire. 2 burials and now I’m trying to educate myself on not getting into these situation to begin with. It has taken the horrifying experience (s) and dealing with the grief that in part, by my actions, I am responsible for a wife and 3 daughters losing their husband and father to start seeking more education. And in seeking more education I can see what OT is saying.

I think the ABS is a great addition for IF you get in an avy. But I think your brain is the most unused tool we have to keep us from ever needing that ABS. I think that is what OT is trying to say. I have seen a few peeps wearing these packs and it doesn’t change the way they ride, they still go into dangerous areas. Education is key. ABS is just a tool.

OT, I appreciate you are trying to open eyes… but maybe a sensitivity class is in order??

 

[ak2co]

"Saftey equipment doesn't causes accidents."
your right so why do you care if we wear them?
next

"It's those that make the purchase of saftey who conclude that with the purchase of saftey gear they are now some how safer"

yes they are. They are top of avy pack vs bottom.
next

let natural selection take its toll and ot wont start any dumbsh!t threads

 

[ak2co]

and besides,
the best snow is in the mountains not the trails.

 

[ice man]

ot way out.

after you see your buddies wife and kids at the funeral you will go and buy an abs bag or quit the sport you love [you probably don't]so your family does not have to go through that.we are some of the most safe riders out there!

 

[SilverGriz]

Wow OT...that is some really strong bait your using.

Well said CoyoteGirl. We all need safety equipment, but we must use our heads first to avoid potential avy areas.

 

[m8magicandmystery]

4 years ago, almost to the day, OT made the same kind of post regarding the avy that took Animal. Attacking all of us that were involved right after we lost our buddy Dave in an Avy. It hurt like h#ll. What an insensitive arshole was ALL I could think! I took everything he said personally and I wanted to kick his ars! I was already emotional and the words he was saying (that we had killed Dave) hurt me big time. When I met him later that year I was still furious and wanted to hurl! He sat me down and explained to me what he was doing by making those posts. He isn’t sugar coating it, he’s trying to open up eyes.

Does it hurt? YES

Insensitive? Yup.

Bad timing? Maybe not, because when someone has died that might be a good time to get more people to listen???

Is it effective? Not always and not immediately.

I went out and was part of another burial the next year. Now, after 2 burials and a few different AVY classes I can see EXACTLY what he is saying. He isn’t saying it the best way. But what he is trying to do is open up a discussion. Some of you are calling him an idiot, yet you are the ones pulling out the name calling (hello… fatso doesn’t really hurt that bad! Lol) Arrogant? Maybe. But really people… name calling is for 4 year olds.

His tactic is brutal and most people are too defensive to really look into what he is saying. I’m not condoning his behaviour by ANY MEANS! But, being on the beaten side of his attacks I can tell you to step back and look what he is saying. Take your ego and lose it. I am pretty sure his objective is to not come on here and read YOUR name in a thread title saying RIP so and so.

Most avalanche incidents involving sledders are started because they are there in the wrong place. Even with peeps on the trail the argument can be made that they chose to ride that trail through a high risk area. It was still a human choice made that led to the outcome. Yes, avalanches occur naturally. But if a human is involved in one… the statement “if an avy happens a mistake has been made” seems to be pretty spot on.

Many of you can flame at me for defending the big bad meanie… that’s is just fine. I’m still learning too. And unfortunately, learning by fire. 2 burials and now I’m trying to educate myself on not getting into these situation to begin with. It has taken the horrifying experience (s) and dealing with the grief that in part, by my actions, I am responsible for a wife and 3 daughters losing their husband and father to start seeking more education. And in seeking more education I can see what OT is saying.

I think the ABS is a great addition for IF you get in an avy. But I think your brain is the most unused tool we have to keep us from ever needing that ABS. I think that is what OT is trying to say. I have seen a few peeps wearing these packs and it doesn’t change the way they ride, they still go into dangerous areas. Education is key. ABS is just a tool.

OT, I appreciate you are trying to open eyes… but maybe a sensitivity class is in order??

sorry...OT is not posting in his manner for awareness...he has you fooled possibly..he posts in a hurtful manner for something he personally lost and went through and wants to hurt others to feel the same as him...he needs help.... there are others far more skilled at getting the message out...OT points are invalid and inexcusable argued the way he does...you say we hurl names at him like 4 year olds..he thinks all of us are 4 year olds...no he is not some creative genius to help us see the light...he is a fog...and if people listen to his reasoning OT is a curtain of blackness...

 

[Sxrlar]

Let me see if I can follow your logic.

So if I bought a "safe automobile" one with air bags and four wheel drive, maybe something like a Toyota of some sort and I decided to drive it in bad weather (why wouldn't I, it has 4wheel drive and all the latest safety equipment). And then I get into an accident and die. It would be my fault because I drove a safe 4wheel drive in bad weather.

Hmmm, not sure if I remember or not, what kind of vehichle was OT's wife driving?

If this was your angle, brutal man, brutal.