Having airbags and seat-belts in your car doesn't make you anymore or less safe and the same applies with bags, the riders that are careless will always be careless regardless.
If you wear an "ABS Bag" or "Similar" aren't you part of the problem ?
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well seatbelts undisputably save lives...thousands and thousands of them..from those being in the wrong and those the recipient of the wrong...im certain airbags are close behind
The "Toilet Bowl" is inbounds and skiable steep terrain. Bottom line as far as what occured at the resort IMO is upper mangament had alot of pressure to stay open the resort was packed with skier traffic.
The "Toilet Bowl " had been skied prior to the avalanche however it is rumored that the skier lost his ski and climbed up the chute to recover his ski when 6 feet of fresh loose snow over a crusted base gave way. Condition at the time were severe and the upper mountain should have been closed to skiers. Weather an Avy pack woulda/coulda saved his life who the heck knows. Does the avy pack come with a crystal ball or some sort of money back warranty if your dead? The fact remains that it apprears as if the avy was human caused weather the upper mountain should have been opened or closed shows even more human error. Over 6 feet of new snow fell very fast over a thin snowpack of early season snow.
6 feet of new snow = avalanche danger on all moderate to steep slopes inbounds or out of bounds anywhere that it snows.
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The "Toilet Bowl " had been skied prior to the avalanche however it is rumored that the skier lost his ski and climbed up the chute to recover his ski when 6 feet of fresh loose snow over a crusted base gave way. Condition at the time were severe and the upper mountain should have been closed to skiers. Weather an Avy pack woulda/coulda saved his life who the heck knows. Does the avy pack come with a crystal ball or some sort of money back warranty if your dead? The fact remains that it apprears as if the avy was human caused weather the upper mountain should have been opened or closed shows even more human error. Over 6 feet of new snow fell very fast over a thin snowpack of early season snow.
6 feet of new snow = avalanche danger on all moderate to steep slopes inbounds or out of bounds anywhere that it snows.
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Just got back from risking my life.just getting in on this sweet thread.
So I was climbing this chute and I thought maybe an avy was going to happen but I managed to countersteer around the danger. good thing I didn't waste money on any avy gear, thanks O.T.
So I was climbing this chute and I thought maybe an avy was going to happen but I managed to countersteer around the danger. good thing I didn't waste money on any avy gear, thanks O.T.
Our car airbag killed my wife. My wife was 5'2" and needed her seat forward and close to the airbag in order to reach the brake and pedal. The airbag deployed at 160 mph which crushed her internal organs and caused them to burst. The "head on" impact was estimated to be 108 mph so the seat belt didn't help either.
Do the search there is plenty of stats where car airbags kill due to the speed of the airbag.
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im gonna unhook the brakes on my car...im never gonna need them...never will respond fast enough to prevent that accident...never will see one coming...never will hear the breaks screeching from other vehicles..nope im only part of the problem driving with them..i will stick to safer places...thanks OT for really opening my eyes...hope to meet ya....JAYWALKING
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so be educated enough to know that the snow is weak, and even if it isnt closed, be smart and stay off of it. and to the people who dont think you could pull the D ring in a slide, think about this, what do you do when your pickup slides on ice, you steer into it. its instinct, thats exactly what you do with the D ring. they work undoubtedly and people that wear them are not part of the problem, they just want to ride the next day
unfortunate..but back to stats..im certain airbags would have more positive then negative results,,,and seltbelts one can not question...very few instances where they kill..some but few..what was your wife doing driving 160 mph...again sorry for the loss
My wife was driving her 2008 FJ Cruiser, driving 40 mph in a 55 mph zone during a snow storm. An on coming driver was doing 66 mph based on computer data taken from the vehical. The drive not using the vehicals 4 wheel drive lost control and crossed the hwy medium hitting my wifes car head on at what was estomated to be a 106 mph "head on" crash. The FJ Cruiser did it job as far as stopping the metal from going beyond the firewall. However the speed of the "airbag" did her in. she was a 5'2" female who weighed 110 pounds. The velocity of the airbag crushed her internal organs. She had NO external cuts or bleeding at all.
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i know that,i was just being very insensitive in my response to just possibly have him relize that maybe some people on the other forum were being hurt by his comments which were insensitive..but probably going to far...hey OT...sorry
Thats correct, airbags have sensors and depending upon the impact of the crash determines the speed of the airbag deployment.
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No Big Deal,.....Auto crashes and avalanches are not the same issues imo.
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OT, sorry for your loss..that would be a terrible thing to go thru...but it is a known fact that small framed drivers run that risk(my X was a small person as well and I always tried to get her to slide her seat back)but even you must admit that by and by safety equipment does more good then bad...there are accidents that do happen..there are things you cant plan for..but overall the best you me or anyone can do is be as informed and prepared as we possible can be, and be observant of the position we allow ourselves to be in...again..I am sorry for your loss...
The velocity of the airbag crushed her internal organs. She had NO external cuts or bleeding at all.
but is it not undeteremined...i mean she still could have recieved fatal injuries and visible cuts and bleeding had the bag not deployed..???..how is one to know the outcome of the other possible situation had the bag not deployed..???..
It should also be noted that in many avy's deaths its the "blunt force trama" that kills people. The same "blunt force trama" caused by a car airbag.....Kind of ironic imo.
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