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If you had to get new clothing what brand would you choose??

If you had to get new clothing what brand would you choose?


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Ok it's been a wile since I posted on this thread. Ok so we now have I think 4-5 winters on our Klim bibs anyways last year they were starting to leak through so I contacted Klim we washed the Bibs and sent them in doing exactly what they wanted us to do.

Mine had a few small holes but nothing big so I thought they would fix mine or I at best would get a break on a new pair.

About 2 weeks maybe 3 weeks later I get a Email with a tracking number for 2 brand new sets of Bibs.

So from here on it's Klim for me.
 
Over the last 20 years I have done a lot of testing in jackets and pants from many companies. Most people do not understand how gore-tex works. The reason you sweat in it is even though Gore-tex and other great fabrics don't breathe as well as they do in tests is because breathability means the travel of vapors in a gaseous state through the material. Unfortunately for this to happen a build up of 70% has to happen inside your jacket to push the vapour though the material.

The problem is by this time you are too hot and open up your pit zips or chest zip and ruin that build up.

Materials like e-vent to breathe better thank gore-tex however the problem with e-vent is that it does not shed oils very well from your skin and such so the pours plug up and do not work as well after a time so they break down faster. So event is better but not after time and especially for sledding which is tough on jackets.

Mountain Hardwear has worked of some different e-vent and now has a jacket that is air permeable, meaning the transfer of moisture in a vapour form does not have to reach a 70% build up to transfer through the jacket, this means highly waterproof, highly breathable and air permeable is the hidden gem, you will see this technology transfer to more jackets companies.

Below is a video I did on the technology and it is from the ski industry and backcountry skiing of which I do a lot of as well. This jacket is amazing, It is much colder than most jackets since it breathes right away but works incredibly well.

The real secret to staying dry is using a great base layering system that is not too heavy and breathes really well to transfer moisture away from the skin, then have a shell jacket from your favourite company that protects you from the elements. It also helps if you are fitter as you don't sweat as hard and stayer dryer because of that when your working hard sledding or digging.

 
Klim is no doubt a pioneer in good winter weather gear but there's competition out there now that is proving as good or better. Klim has been around for awhile and it's proven to work well but dam is their stuff expensive! Maybe some competition will force them to bring their prices down a bit. If Motofist or eVent is cheaper I'm going with one of those. Klim is no longer the only show in town.:beer;

Klim might be expensive but the value is there. I have a Klim jacket that I bought in 2003, with over 12,000 miles of riding done in that jacket it still works just as good at keeping me dry. I paid $240 for it to me that's a good bargain so much so that I now have a new klim jacket.
 
Dave I posted about this "new" technology from Mountain Hardwear on Snowest and just got shelled by people saying it's just event. I had an event jacket and it worked well for a very short time. Must have been from not dealing well with "body oils"(man that sounds gross). I have come to know some guys at the Seattle Mt Hardwear store and they were so stoked about Dry-Q that I got stoked about it too. I will definitely be wearing a Dry Q jacket this year skiing and will try it sledding. I have found that sled specific gear works better for sledding. What Dry Q jacket do you recommend for sledding? I am a little worried about a hood on a sledding jacket, do they stow in the collar? Thank you for the info.
 
The other thing I really like about Dry Q is that MT HW does all their testing AFTER 50 washings. That is durability. Try that with Gore Tex and it will leak like a sieve. Dave if you are watching this thread what Jacket would you recommend for sledding?
 
Matte you have gotten shelled....but you survived. That's all that matters.

Whether is is eVent or not (as Dry Q is :.), the story here is that air permeability IS the future. Gore_tex has not improved and is fighting the air permeability battle. There is no question eVent/Dry Q is way more breathable. Which is the whole point to a waterproof/breathable jacket is it not?!?

Last i checked MotorFist makes the only air permeable snowmobile specific clothing for the greatest sport in the world.
 
I have Polaris gear with eVent that I've used for two seasons. It is absolutely awesome. With a polypro base layer, I'm always as dry at the end on the day as I was in the morning. Polaris doesn't have eVent this year. Not sure why, but I know my dealer still has some old stock. Might have to try and get a deal and have a spare jacket and bibs.


Sent from my iPhone when I should be working.
 
My vote is Klim as well. I rode with their Keweenaw bibs and jacket last year and have no complaints. Definitely well suited for cold and wind blocking. I purchased mine from a local sled shop and they do have room to move on price so don't be afraid to ask!
 
Regaurding Klim, I have read alot on hear about how great Klims warrenty is but i can tell you from personal experience that its not as good as what people are saying, or atleast not in Canada. dont get me wrong i love the gear and wear it all except the helmet, but at this price i could wear other good gear and get 2 new sets of gear and still have money left over. my goretex togwotee bibs started falling apart and the thighs started to let water through and the seem started to let go and asked klim and they said "these pants have been comprimised in to many areas and have seen the life of the garment". again the goretex is leaking and the seems are letting loose so are these not their issues?. again it is great gear but for the cost there are much better alternatives. just my 2 cents
 
From same article:


"Gore isn’t claiming that Active Shell allows air penetration; liquid sweat still has to become water vapor for Active Shell to function, so while it may indicate lighter, softer Gore togs in the future, it doesn’t signal a change in Gore’s core thinking."

AKA....its still the Same Gore-Tex. it isn't a "new" wave of NeoShell or eVent/Dry Q air permeable fabric. = way less breathable.
 
read that too......

read the other article I posted-- they rated it as "most breathable".....and they say it is a new product/version....so apparently its NOT the same gore tex....not being argumentative :face-icon-small-hap



Backpacker Magazine – September 2011
GEAR REVIEW: MAMMUT FELSTURM HALF-ZIP

Made with Gore-Tex Active Shell this breathable jacket was wearable in a wide range of temperatures.

by: Steve Howe

The Best Shells. Ever.
See the other three. >> The membrane Gore-Tex Active Shell. Like the original stuff, it’s expanded polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE), but this new version is about 50 percent thinner and lighter, plus Gore devised a way to attach the liner fabric using less glue. A non-porous polyurethane (PU) coating protects the membrane from sweat and dirt. The PU also renders the fabric 100-percent windproof (unlike the others in this test, which allow a tiny bit of air to pass through). The hydrophylic (water-attracting) PU draws moisture in, then it’s pushed out through the membrane’s pores by your body’s heat output. The process requires a climate differential between the inside and outside of the shell, which is created by a buildup of humidity and temperature. In simple terms: You work, it breathes.

>>The claim Gore won’t say how much more breathable Active Shell is than previous membranes (nor would it provide a close-up image of the membrane itself), but our testers estimate it to be 20 to 30 percent. A key to that improvement: Gore developed a new lab test using a heated/sweating mannequin, so designers could study “whole body breathability”—not just the breathability of fabric swatches. Gore also works closely with manufacturers to streamline pockets, flaps, and excess lining materials that could hinder breathability.

>> The jacket “Unparalleled temperature range,” says one tester of this minimalist, half-zip pullover. The Felsturm is built with light, supple, fairly open-weave 20-denier nylon and a light tricot liner that result in unsurpassed breathability, negligible weight, and a tiny packed size. “On a ski tour up Utah’s 10,719-foot Lake Peak, it was raining at the trailhead, then sleeting and snowing all day,” says one tester. “Everyone else was constantly swapping layers, but I wore this from start to finish.” Clincher: He didn’t touch the Felsturm’s pit zips all day (though testers appreciated them on warmer trips). The great-fitting hood accommodates helmets, yet cinches well around the cheeks; it sealed out the chill even when ridgetop winds hit 50 mph. Most other features are sacrificed for weight (there’s only one Napoleon pocket). And Mammut sews the smooth-running waterproof zipper coils straight to the shell, trimming the standard strip of tape. The short cut is harness-friendly and loose enough to fit midlayers.
 
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KLIM

Motorfist, nice looking stuff, just can't stand the name.

Like the logo, can't get past the name.
 
I bought all HMK this year, and I have been very happy with it for the rides that I have been on so far.
 
Switched to Motorfist last year and not going back. In fact switching the wife's clothing to Motorfist as well. In our higher water content snow I never once last season came off the mountain wet in the event bibs and jacket and my wife's Klim bibs were saturated. They also tolerate tree limbs very well and did not tear and clean up extremely well, so I can say I am good on the coat and bibs. Boots I am staying firm with HMK they flat out work and are comfortable in temps from-20 to 60. As for gloves Klim has an outstanding glove in the Togowtee version and their inversion glove is really nice for Sierra riding.
 
Klim Boots and Pant's Mountain Hardware Shell(Klim's sleeves are to short). Still looking for the perfect cold weather glove.
 
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